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IP Remailer Busted...

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IP's Domestic (US) remailer was busted yesterday....

He is planning to take care of all customers once things have cooled down....he was IP's longest remailer in biz for over 5 years (thanks to AF for the info)

I will not post his name, please do not post his vet name either...

[email protected]

Although everything on his comp was encrypted,please do NOT email him..

PM me if u have questions....i will not answer all questions
 
whats the usual punishment for someone caught supplying anabolics? Assuming they have a clean record and it's a first offense.. I've read about several cases involving some big time dealers and they've received probation for first offense.
 
HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex said:
His name is still up on **'s auto response list as a rep,perhaps they should take that down.

yeah its true, but its a matter of when it was updated last, he got busted yesterday
 
You can get twenty years for just one vial of sust in NY. It is up to the individual states/city's, but safe to say, dealing will get yo a long time in the pen.
 
very sad to see good bro's going down like that, what harm does AS do anybody, jesus half the cops are using it, look at ronnie thats biggest joke of the century.
 
there was a guy here in texas that was caught with 25,000 worth of gear at the border.. they then arrested him, searched his house and found tons on his computer, supplies, more gear.. he got 3 years probation, having no previous record. if I knew thats all I'd get, I would definately change my profession.
 
Chesty- I am curious as to where you heard that you can get 20 years for one vile of sust. I know the system all too well in Ny. I have friends facing the max 10 years for some serious drug offenses with solid evidence. I think anabolics is a schedule III under the dea. The way they sentence you is that every drug gets converted to marrijuana weight. One gram of x= 450 grams of marijuana. They do the same for steroids. One amp equals a certain weight in marijuana. Thats how they determine the severity of the offense. What I am talking about is the federal level for newyork. I don't know exactly for the state level but I do know it is not as severe as the federal. Its very long to search through but if you type federal sentencing guidelines you should be able to find the converstion charts of various substances to marijuana weight.
---PEACE---Mad Max
 
Mad Max said:
The way they sentence you is that every drug gets converted to marrijuana weight. One gram of x= 450 grams of marijuana. They do the same for steroids. One amp equals a certain weight in marijuana. Thats how they determine the severity of the offense. What I am talking about is the federal level for newyork. I don't know exactly for the state level but I do know it is not as severe as the federal. Its very long to search through but if you type federal sentencing guidelines you should be able to find the converstion charts of various substances to marijuana weight.
VERY INTERESTING!!! :goof:
 
blingbling211 said:
there was a guy here in texas that was caught with 25,000 worth of gear at the border.. they then arrested him, searched his house and found tons on his computer, supplies, more gear.. he got 3 years probation, having no previous record. if I knew thats all I'd get, I would definately change my profession.

Right on :)
 
Mr. Las Vegas said:
How many of you guys still order directly from IP?

I did. I ordered 2 75ml jugs of enanthate or cypionate from him a bout a year ago, and he fucked me. I wired him the money, and never got anything. I would write him emails asking what sup, and he would say he sent it but it must have been seized, yet i never got any letters. He said he tried sending twice, and i never got shit. Then he said he would have a domestic remailer send them to me. Never got shit. Then he just stopped answering my emails. Thanks IP.
 
IP used to be good, cheap and fast and safe.
Now the track record of making to the the US is pretty low.

I did one order snagged and got re-order, just tabs. I know of about 2 local bro got snagged by customs in last couple of attempts also.
 
Is this a certain "alcoholic" remailer that had an accident a while ago? I've been waiting on a 125ml jug of prop/suspension for SIX FUCKING WEEKS now when it was supposed to take one, and still haven't seen shit.
 
Mad Max said:
Chesty- I am curious as to where you heard that you can get 20 years for one vile of sust. I know the system all too well in Ny. I have friends facing the max 10 years for some serious drug offenses with solid evidence. I think anabolics is a schedule III under the dea. The way they sentence you is that every drug gets converted to marrijuana weight. One gram of x= 450 grams of marijuana. They do the same for steroids. One amp equals a certain weight in marijuana. Thats how they determine the severity of the offense. What I am talking about is the federal level for newyork. I don't know exactly for the state level but I do know it is not as severe as the federal. Its very long to search through but if you type federal sentencing guidelines you should be able to find the converstion charts of various substances to marijuana weight.
---PEACE---Mad Max

10Ml Vial = 1 dose. 100 Tabs = 1 dose. Federal level.

I'd assume they mean 1 dose of another CIII Substance. In other words, 10, 10ml VIALS would be equal to 10 tablets of say Tylenol w/ Codeine #3.
 
So basically there is no way it could equal 20 years. On the federal level if you sell something that causes harm or death the max can be 20 years.
---PEACE---Mad Max
 
as far as i know the C-man (ip) is still taking evocash. he has moneyorder only on his list but i emailed him and asked. he said either one was good. i sent in an order the other day direct from the c-man and HOPEFULLY it makes it. but as far as i know he still takes evo. email and ask
 
and some board members had the nerve to tell me I was full of it when I posted a thread regarding an investigation on IP and its whole operation, and they said there was no way the fbi or dea is going to bust any IP mailers or orderers.........................sometimes people just dont want to listen!!!!!!!!!
 
If you guys remember my thread a few months ago, a young guy at our gym got caught with 3 vials of omnadren. He received 5 years probation, 500 fine and court cost, 200 hours community service, had to go to 24 weeks drug counseling classes (met twice weekly) and this was his FIRST offense EVER!

Another guy in Miami I know got popped with 2000 lortabs, 1000 valiums, 3 bottles of 10cc upjohn test and 100 viagra tabs. This was his first offense as well. His sentencing was EXACTLY the same, except he had a fine that was $500 more because he had the possession with intent to distribute charge.

I think punishments are pretty set in guidelines if it is your first offense.
 
AAP said:
If you guys remember my thread a few months ago, a young guy at our gym got caught with 3 vials of omnadren. He received 5 years probation, 500 fine and court cost, 200 hours community service, had to go to 24 weeks drug counseling classes (met twice weekly) and this was his FIRST offense EVER!

Another guy in Miami I know got popped with 2000 lortabs, 1000 valiums, 3 bottles of 10cc upjohn test and 100 viagra tabs. This was his first offense as well. His sentencing was EXACTLY the same, except he had a fine that was $500 more because he had the possession with intent to distribute charge.

I think punishments are pretty set in guidelines if it is your first offense.

For only 3 vials of omna- wow the system sucks.
 
Lift Chief said:


For only 3 vials of omna- wow the system sucks.

Yeah, and those drug meetings he was in was full of crack heads and herion addicts. Had to go twice weekly to N/A meetings.
 
AAP said:


Yeah, and those drug meetings he was in was full of crack heads and herion addicts. Had to go twice weekly to N/A meetings.

So you and him had fun in that class heh?
 
Well i have done very extensive research on steroids and caselaw. It differs by state. Some states break it down into doses:100 pills=1 dose, 10cc=1 dose, some states 50 pills=1dose, 2cc=1dose, some staes break it down into weight.

For instance in texas under 28g is a class A misdimeanor, 28g-100g is a state felony, over 100g falls under federal felony.

Although i respect Chesty 1 amp can not land you in jail 20 years. 95% of first time offenders will get some sort of pre-trial diversion. Drug offenders program, fine, and community service.

It also depends on the jurisdiction. If they have alot of drug cases in that area, a simple fine usually not to exceed $2000 is usually imposed. I have found that it is usually under $1000.

The bottom line is steroids is on the bottom rung of the ladder. Samll quanity possession are more likely than not reduced to a misdimeanor and a fine is imposed. There is simply not enough money to prosecute small crimes as these. Given it costs the govt about $60 a day to keep an inmate, not to mention the costa of prosecution. It is simply easier for them to give you a fine, this way they end up making money. All they care about is the money.
And this goes for all minor posession of drug cases.

Even with prior convictions, having a small amount of roids isn't gonna put you in for years. From the studying i have done from cases in california and texas as i said before 95% of first time offenders get charges dismissed. Further even if prosecution occurs fines and probation are usually enforced. from my observations of jail times misdemeanor posession conviction results best case scenario 15 days in jail to worst case 180 days. If you do it again you are looking at a year.

I am almost certain that if you are a first time offender you will not get jail time: either a pretrial diversion, fine, probation. If you were to get busted, you should probably hope it goes through the federal system, not the state system. Because as stated before there is too much traffic especially at the federal level.

Now distribution is a whole other story. Distribution is described as sale, intent to sell, promise to sell, passing along a name, giving it to someone, even handling the money. And it gets worse if you distribute to a person under 21.

And yes i did say that passing along a name is considered "distribution" and is quite scary for some people here who pass along sources names. You are distributing by sourcing, so be careful.
 
OMG, now we have to hear CN-1's whining about how he warned us about a possible IP investigation by the FBI. Lol, if I had to make a guess this has been coming for quite awhile- and is a huge coincidence with regards to CN-1's overblown warning about IP.
When under investigation for illegal activity those responsible will be monitored for a certain period of time, to gain material to use in the accused prosecution. In other words, liqchem has been looked at for quite some time.
As far as IP goes, I've ordered form him, received a letter of seizure, emailed him about what happened, and he resent free of charge. So in my eyes he delivers what he says he will. How many other sources will remail an order- for free- based on an email claim of seizure?
Another thing that pisses me off is that fact that anyone who is anti-IP hasn't expressed elation and satisfaction to this news on this thread. I'm waiting for the "good, IP's products suck anyway..." comments to start rolling out- despite the fact that a decent, trustworthy source has gone down.

SwitchedOn
 
ip was running fine with respectable turnaround and service as of two days ago...I'm sad as liq was about to get my business...as for bashing ip I really hope they do so people will stop buying so much from him, stop discussing him and altogether let him and his remailers fall out of the spotlight...so i can keep getting good cheap gear
 
Hey guys, hate to piss on your parade but any encryption sold now has a backdoor key for law enforcement. By now I am sure that a judge has signed off on it and they are wading through the names and addresses.

For anyone out there with a “side business”

Keep lists off site (online, buddies house, etc etc)
Keep shipping and products off site (use another residence for packaging and shipping)
Use a third trusted party to handle distribution and you handle finances, or vise versa
Use calling cards, cell phones that are disposable
Use a storage area that you can just walk away from if hot
Set up on-line web cams in storage areas

If this is a business, treat it as one!

BTW, 20 years for a vial in NYC? No, 20 years is pretty much a capital offense. While you can get life for some weights, a vial is no where near that. If you are driving around with 5 keys in your trunk then you have issues.

When I was on the “job”, we had 2 gorillas that juiced. Everyone knew, but no one talked about it.
 
Liq was not busted for selling!

he was busted by customs picking up a package.......
 
MY ADVICE

That's why I say to always have a European source on hand. Those FED FUCKS have some of their little, pencil neck, no life, small dicked $25,000 a year computer nerds going through the internet night and day, trying to track down anyone they can. They act as if AAS if so immorale or bad for your health, and yet all of these fucks DRINK ALCOHOL LIKE FISH, AND SMOKE LIKE CHIMNEYS. But because the U.S. federal government says it's "okay" (because they make millions upon million of tax revenue taxing the shit out of cigarettes and alchohol), these Fed cocksuckers can get drunk and smoke it up all day and act as if that's morale or healthy for their bodies. These same bastards talk about the potential negative effects on the liver as to why steroids are banned by law, but they won't say why alcohol and cigarettes are still legal when they damage the LIVER, HEART, LUNGS, etc. a helluva more then AAS ever could. And they don't want to hear the moral and health arguments about why cigs and alcohol are legal, and AAS are illegal. Especially since they all smoke and drink, AND GOD FORBID THE U.S. CONGRESS, FILLED WITH A BUNCH OF SMOKERS AND DRUNKS, EVER PASSES A LAW BANNING CIGARETTES AND ALCOHOL, THUS MAKING EMPLOYEES OF LAW ENFORCEMENT CRIMINALS. Besides the tax revenue, that is why cigarettes and alcohol will never be banned. Because the U.S.Congress knows that you can't have the biggest, most hypocritical breakers of those laws enforce those same laws on the civilian population. I hate the U.S. government. Nothing will every change unless we overthrow it. You can have all the elections you want, in the end, you will always have a bunce of corporate owned and operated Democratic and Republican politicians making decisions and laws based not on the welfare of the people who elected them, but on satisfying the corporations who made donations to help their campaigns.
 
did he get busted with the IP blue ones or the white ones.....................HAHAHAHAHA, hell, all were probably bunk so all charges should be dropped!!!
 
That totally sux!! I ordered from him a little more than 2 weeks ago and had some weird stuff happen that I thought was kinda fishy. I placed my order and didn't hear anything back for about 8 days. Then all of the sudden I got an auto response saying he recieved my order then an email from him saying he was having trouble locating my transfer asking what account I sent the money to. So I wrote him back and told him the info and he said he found it. Two days later I wrote and asked if my order went out and he said it did on Sat. and should be here by Friday. Well it's Friday and nothing. I heard he got busted on Tues. All this makes me wonder if the feds somehow intercepted his emails. Maybe it was really a fed asking me his account info. I guess I shouldn't look forward to getting my order since it was probably flagged and seized or some shit. That SUX!! I'm still waiting on someone other than the normal post man to deliver my package, but it's not even going to my house so f*** 'em!
 
blingbling211 said:
there was a guy here in texas that was caught with 25,000 worth of gear at the border.. they then arrested him, searched his house and found tons on his computer, supplies, more gear.. he got 3 years probation, having no previous record. if I knew thats all I'd get, I would definately change my profession.


he got probation for a reason...

when the people he put in prison get out, he will disappear...

they catch you with that much, they own you...

they will milk this guy for years!!!:(
 
gjohnson said:
That totally sux!! I ordered from him a little more than 2 weeks ago and had some weird stuff happen that I thought was kinda fishy. I placed my order and didn't hear anything back for about 8 days. Then all of the sudden I got an auto response saying he recieved my order then an email from him saying he was having trouble locating my transfer asking what account I sent the money to. So I wrote him back and told him the info and he said he found it. Two days later I wrote and asked if my order went out and he said it did on Sat. and should be here by Friday. Well it's Friday and nothing. I heard he got busted on Tues. All this makes me wonder if the feds somehow intercepted his emails. Maybe it was really a fed asking me his account info. I guess I shouldn't look forward to getting my order since it was probably flagged and seized or some shit. That SUX!! I'm still waiting on someone other than the normal post man to deliver my package, but it's not even going to my house so f*** 'em!

"Fishy"...lol. This shit had nothing to do with you, or your little package, or your wire transfer my man. Havn't you read this Thread?? This guy was popped receiving a package "marked for death" by US Customs--for the tenth fucking time. Listen to me carefully kids...ANY US SOURCE who deals largely in European/Asian Products, and has to have MULTIPLE packages sent on a consistent basis to a USA Mailbox(s), is SEVERELY DECREASING his odds of NOT getting tagged for a controlled delivery. The volume of packages ALONE is enough to get the attention of agents, if not the nosey fucks working at the MBE or PO where the box is located. Simply put--it's like going to the routlette wheel and hitting on red 9 times, and then losing it all on black on the tenth. Eventually, you will get fucked. That's the way the ball bounces. Customs is there for a reason kiddies, and this guys situation is it. Christ, I'd even go so far as to say that your chances of getting small orders through nowadays are 50/50, wether it be simply confiscated, or marked for a "controlled". Now go telling me how much safer/better/cheaper it is to order Internationally. Go bet red 50 times in a row and hope to always win while your at it. Whatever ladies. See you on visitation day.
 
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