interesting read on climate change...

[mrplunkey]

I should have known the multi-layer troll was too complex for you. The plunkster from a couple years ago would have taken his base on ball 4 but like mighty casey you decided you weren't gonna risk strike 3 crossing that plate huh?

Dear God you're retarded.

My only comfort is in the certainty that your personality assures you'll never procreate.

 

[mrplunkey]

... or graduate.

 

[WoodyO]

 

[Headholio]

I'm with you on this, in a way: It's stupid or foolish to do unnecessary things that we know have the potential of being harmful (to our bodies or to the environment), but there is moderation in all things. In other words, if we're wanting to do our part to prevent unnecessary ozone damage, we can choose to ride a bike to work on a nice day, or we can choose to eat a salad and a plant-based protein when it's convenient and we're watching cholesterol. But we shouldn't have to feel guilty for driving a truck to work if we have to drop off a new refrigerator in a terrible storm, nor should we feel guilty about cholesterol if our Grandma invites us over for home-made chili and pot roast once in awhile. And my personal contribution to environmentalism is that in 46 years, I have never littered, and I pick up other peoples' litter. That doesn't affect the ozone layer one way or the other, but it offsets the Prius drivers who litter regularly out their windows.

But today being Earth Day, I'll have to be disobedient and and use our 15,000-lb flatbed truck to pick up a gum wrapper I saw on the highway at the other end of the county yesterday, then I'll get in the 53,000-lb Cat 963 track loader and use a few dozen gallons of Diesel to bury the gum wrapper in an illegal landfill

Charles

You are changing your angle to a discussion of what is a reasonable approach to address global warming, and I agree that that is a legitimate debate. Whether AGW is real or not, is not a legitimate debate.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Some food for thought on the bigger picture-

Taxation Hero: ExxonMobil Pays $3 In Taxes For Every $1 In Profit - Forbes

Fuel Fix Exxon’s tax bill outweighs tech giant Apple’s

While the media and the public like to zero-in on who-pays-what in taxes, taxes are not the sole measure of a company’s value to the U.S. Treasury or the U.S. economy.

Companies hire people (who spend and pay taxes) to keep the business running; companies hire other companies (who spend and pay taxes) to do specialized work for them; companies purchase raw materials and goods from other businesses (who spend and pay taxes) to make their products – you can probably see my point. The economic payoff from creating demand for jobs, goods and services is far greater than any one company pays in taxes.

For example, in 2011 alone, ExxonMobil contributed $72 billion to the U.S. economy through activities including taxes, salaries, returns to our investors and payments to other businesses and industries to keep our U.S. operations running. That’s an average of almost $200 million per day pumped into the U.S. economy, and it doesn’t even include the indirect effect of such spending.

The cumulative effect of U.S. oil and natural gas activities accounted for more than $1 trillion of value added to the U.S. economy a year, and about 7.7 percent of U.S. GDP, according to latest data available.

Taxes are important, but they are just one piece of a much bigger picture when it comes to the U.S. economy.

ExxonMobil tax facts ? the ones you won?t see in the news | ExxonMobil's Perspectives Blog

 

[redsamurai]

... or graduate.

you're 0-2 already, it's not fun anymore.

 

[mrplunkey]

you're 0-2 already, it's not fun anymore.

I'm 2 for 2 on this.

And it's killing you.

 

[kx250rider]

You are changing your angle to a discussion of what is a reasonable approach to address global warming, and I agree that that is a legitimate debate. Whether AGW is real or not, is not a legitimate debate.

....And whether or not it's affected by human influence (and if so, how much or how little) is debatable, but seems to be not debatable by those on both sides. Sometimes I shock people with how far I'll move to the middle, when the other side does too... I've actually sat at the dinner table with a major Texas conservative politician AND the former president of the San Francisco chapter of the ACLU, and nobody had a black eye afterward

Charles

 

[-SD-]

....And whether or not it's affected by human influence (and if so, how much or how little) is debatable, but seems to be not debatable by those on both sides. Sometimes I shock people with how far I'll move to the middle, when the other side does too... I've actually sat at the dinner table with a major Texas conservative politician AND the former president of the San Francisco chapter of the ACLU, and nobody had a black eye afterward

Charles

was that because you were too busy playing referee?

 

[Headholio]

....And whether or not it's affected by human influence (and if so, how much or how little) is debatable, but seems to be not debatable by those on both sides. Sometimes I shock people with how far I'll move to the middle, when the other side does too... I've actually sat at the dinner table with a major Texas conservative politician AND the former president of the San Francisco chapter of the ACLU, and nobody had a black eye afterward

Charles

AGW (athropogenic global warming) is settled science as confirmed by every respected scientific institution around the world. Not some or most, but all of them. Created by man. There is no debate.
Your belief that it is debatable has no basis in fact. If I am wrong, then show us the facts.
You are still focused on politics, and your comment about moving to the middle has no place in this conversation. Global warming is not a political issue and those that say it is, are propagandists. Texas righties and San Fransisco ACLU members have no choice but to agree if a fact is a fact. AGW is scientific reality and political parties have nothing to do with this fact, only with how to respond to it.

Science denial hasn't been fashionable since the middle ages.