insulin

[ass_face]

i started humulin r insulin last week. i'm not diabetic. my plan is 8 units after workout 4x weekly. four weeks on and four weeks off is the cycle i'm planning. last night i read rea's "building the perfect beast". i confess to now being concerned about developing insulin insensitivity after reading in his book. he gives a variety of medications and supplements to decrease the possibility of developing insulin resistance. my question is to those who may have personal experience regarding this cycle. do i need to worry about it with the time frames i've chosen to be on and off? my background is 56 years old, taking 200 mg. test, 200 mg. nandrolone every week year round for the last year with no plan to discontinue. also 250mg. sustanon every three weeks for the past six months. no blood work. what i've read so far on the forum is about administration and dangers of hypoglycemia. for those concerned about hypoglycemic type risks, i've had many years of experience in administration of insulin during my tenure as an r.n., so this isn't my concern at present.

thanks.

Most of Rea's insulin protocol is for 4 weeks, so I do not think you will run into any issues. I useds the humalog version of insulin after work-outs twice a day with ample amount of carbs and everything was fine when I ceased use. I think you will be fine. I stayed away from humalin r due to the longer clearence time, but if you are seasoned with it, you will have no issues.

 

[bigtravis]

appreciate all the responses so far. i'm not a serious bb, but very serious about strength training. i've been training for one year and i'm stronger by far than i've ever been in my whole life. my diet is pure as the driven snow and even though my aas doses are low compared to many forum members, i put on 25 pounds within six months of starting aas. i'm 56 years old, so i want to use every tool at my disposal. again, hypoglycemia isn't an issue. i've administered more insulin as an r.n. than any hundred diabetics have in their entire lives. big travis, are you saying my anabolic doses aren't enough to fascilitate the insulin working well? thanks in advance.

no, what i'm saying is that take into consideration that to you could possibly try some other type of drug to add in to your cycle or just double up on your current dosage. risk vs reward, the aas wins in my opinion. i feel the same way with gh. someone would say, hey i'm doing 250 cyp./wk 25 deca/wk 30mg d-bol/day and i want to run 4i.u. gh per day. i'd tell them spend the $ that you were going to use on gh and spend it on the gear. i know that there both 2 different things but, slin= risk and gh= $. but you'll do what you whant anyway.

 

[02gixxersix2]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=81969

 

[LT3]

no, what i'm saying is that take into consideration that to you could possibly try some other type of drug to add in to your cycle or just double up on your current dosage. risk vs reward, the aas wins in my opinion. i feel the same way with gh. someone would say, hey i'm doing 250 cyp./wk 25 deca/wk 30mg d-bol/day and i want to run 4i.u. gh per day. i'd tell them spend the $ that you were going to use on gh and spend it on the gear. i know that there both 2 different things but, slin= risk and gh= $. but you'll do what you whant anyway.

I agree 110%. There is noooooo need to run slin or gh unless aas arnt cutting it for you any more. slin and gh are for elites IMO.

 

[Throw2Far]

appreciate all the responses so far. i'm not a serious bb, but very serious about strength training. i've been training for one year and i'm stronger by far than i've ever been in my whole life. my diet is pure as the driven snow and even though my aas doses are low compared to many forum members, i put on 25 pounds within six months of starting aas. i'm 56 years old, so i want to use every tool at my disposal. again, hypoglycemia isn't an issue. i've administered more insulin as an r.n. than any hundred diabetics have in their entire lives. big travis, are you saying my anabolic doses aren't enough to fascilitate the insulin working well? thanks in advance.

Absolutely NO REASON to risk slin (you can die if used incorrectly) if your
AAS doses are that low... just throw in some trenbolone for 6 weeks and watch the gains pour in... much safer than slin...

 

[saint john]

no, what i'm saying is that take into consideration that to you could possibly try some other type of drug to add in to your cycle or just double up on your current dosage. risk vs reward, the aas wins in my opinion. i feel the same way with gh. someone would say, hey i'm doing 250 cyp./wk 25 deca/wk 30mg d-bol/day and i want to run 4i.u. gh per day. i'd tell them spend the $ that you were going to use on gh and spend it on the gear. i know that there both 2 different things but, slin= risk and gh= $. but you'll do what you whant anyway.

ok, here's my thinking regarding addition of more anabolics. rea says in his book if the dose of steroids you're on is working, then don't add more. the doses i'm on have been and still are working. i want as much results as i can get for my efforts, hence the addition of insulin. does that make sense? i do recognize that my experience is very limited. also i want to ask any of you, do you see any issue with me remaing on the anabolic doses i'm on year round? 200mg test cypionate and 200 mg nandrolone weekly, plus sustanon 250 mg every three weeks. i'm 56 years old.

thanks for everyone's input, and O2gixxersix2, thanks for the link you posted.

 

[saintjohn]

in reading about insulin in "chemical muscle enhancement", two supplements are mentioned that cause fat cells to be more resistant to insulin. glucosamine and cla. i'm already taking them both, but rea doesn't mention the suggested doses for this pupose while a person is running insulin. can anyone tell me any recommendation for amounts and also any other supplements/drugs and their dosage that accomplish the same thing? i started a four week cycle of d-bol 30 mg./daily last week and i had planned on starting the insulin when that was over. does anyone have any pros or cons regarding this? i had already started the insulin two weeks ago, but then fell off a ladder last week and pulled a hamstring severely, so i couldn't work out. i'm dark purple and blue from my left glute to my knee now.

 

[bunkka]

in reading about insulin in "chemical muscle enhancement", two supplements are mentioned that cause fat cells to be more resistant to insulin. glucosamine and cla. i'm already taking them both, but rea doesn't mention the suggested doses for this pupose while a person is running insulin. can anyone tell me any recommendation for amounts and also any other supplements/drugs and their dosage that accomplish the same thing? i started a four week cycle of d-bol 30 mg./daily last week and i had planned on starting the insulin when that was over. does anyone have any pros or cons regarding this? i had already started the insulin two weeks ago, but then fell off a ladder last week and pulled a hamstring severely, so i couldn't work out. i'm dark purple and blue from my left glute to my knee now.

incidently, for those of you who had expressed your concern about hypoglycemia, i did have on the fourth dose a very slight episode which was immediately resolved with the ingestion of pop, honey, yogurt and everything else that wasn't bolted down in the kithchen. that was on 10 i.u.'s. of humulin r after a workout. 8 i.u.'s seems to be a good number for me.

Get yourself some glucose tabs on hand for those "just in case moments".

It's been over a year since I've used slin for these purposes, but I always felt the best way to take it was with an immediate 100% Pure Grape Juice with Creatine added to it. Then put down my shake immediately after.

There are some absolute standards in terms of iu's to gms of simple carbs you can look for to get this balanced out and eleviate any issues/worries with hypo.

 

[concordsize]

If your diet is right there should be no need to run around looking for sodas and stuff like that. I take insulin 2x per week twice per day, so that is 4 shots per week. IMO this is the best way to keep from getting a insensitivity to insulin.
- I would rather see you start off with 2-3units and work up from there. Make sure you have carbs 20-30min after your shot and another meal with carbs 2hrs later.

 

[LVTitan]

also, how do i get the words "all natural" to disappear from underneath my screen name on my posts?

the more posts you make, the name changes automatically.. or you could go platinum and make it whatever u want it to say.