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Bulldog_10
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Not unless you're competing...and you know exactly how to use it.
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THE_BIG_FED
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best stuff around for adding size.....just make sure you follow the rules of 1iu to 10 grams sugar post w/o and get another shot of carbs 2 hrs later. do research on it, but bulldog is stupid if he thinks its for competitors only. lol. 
idiot.
idiot.Insulin is not only useful for competitors. Many athletes use it to increase training frequency: insulin increases glycogen uptake by the muscles which accelerate recovery. Plus, since it's anti-catabolic, it can reduce the negative impact of each training session an allow you to train more often and harder without overtraining.
Insulin can be used as follow:
1) For recovery optimization: for many type of athletes, to increase the rate of recovery after a training session. This strategy requires the athlete to take 5-10iu after each training session, along with 75-100g of protein and 100-150g of carbs.
2) To increase glycogen storage for sporting events which depends on the availability of intramuscular glycogen (e.g. 200-800m sprints). The athletes can use insulin before a training session or before a big event to bulk up their glycogen stores. This can be more tricky, but 5-10iu 3 hours before an event along with two 'meals" of 100-150g of carbs (1 meal immediately after injection, 1 meal 60-90 minutes later) is a good place to start.
3) To increase muscle mass. This is most useful for bodybuilder, or athletes lacking muscle mass. By using regular insulin injections (2-3 per day, must be fast-acting insulin, preferably humalog) along with a high carbohydrate and high protein diet. The frequent injections reduce the catabolic response to training, which leads to greater muscle gains. Insulin also helps with glycogen and protein muscular intake which facilitate protein synthesis.
IMHO the best way to use insulin is to improve recovery post-workout. This is the safest method of use and the one which can potentially give you the most results.
Insulin can be used as follow:
1) For recovery optimization: for many type of athletes, to increase the rate of recovery after a training session. This strategy requires the athlete to take 5-10iu after each training session, along with 75-100g of protein and 100-150g of carbs.
2) To increase glycogen storage for sporting events which depends on the availability of intramuscular glycogen (e.g. 200-800m sprints). The athletes can use insulin before a training session or before a big event to bulk up their glycogen stores. This can be more tricky, but 5-10iu 3 hours before an event along with two 'meals" of 100-150g of carbs (1 meal immediately after injection, 1 meal 60-90 minutes later) is a good place to start.
3) To increase muscle mass. This is most useful for bodybuilder, or athletes lacking muscle mass. By using regular insulin injections (2-3 per day, must be fast-acting insulin, preferably humalog) along with a high carbohydrate and high protein diet. The frequent injections reduce the catabolic response to training, which leads to greater muscle gains. Insulin also helps with glycogen and protein muscular intake which facilitate protein synthesis.
IMHO the best way to use insulin is to improve recovery post-workout. This is the safest method of use and the one which can potentially give you the most results.
Bulldog_10
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guards said:
That was my basic point...and that it's not really worth the risks, unless you're a competitive BB or professional athlete...At least that's how I see it.
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THE_BIG_FED
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guards said:
That's the spirit...I'll even send you karma for such a smart decision.
i don't care about you guys and your damn karma, like i said....its safe as can be...take your freaking carbs post w/o and 2 hrs later, and later on with humulin R if you are hungry as fuck....eat like a horse. where is the safety issue?
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THE_BIG_FED
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guards said:
i was a newbie to insulin not too long ago....and i'm doing fine with it. i never said to go down the the pharm and get him some humulin-R and go to town.....first ask me or you or whomever questions that are relavent to using slin. like how many carbs, when to take them, how much insulin, which type of insulin (not that there an many more than one choice here OTC in the USA). i did not see this fellows history or age or what not....maybe i missed it. i know he is new to insulin, but maybe not new to the AAS game. in that case it may be OK for him to use it. if he gives us more info, then that can be determined. but to just say "oh don't use it, its dangerous!"....is a rather foolish blanket statement. ANYTHING is dangerous w/o the right knowledge. we are here to help answer peoples questions, not to discourage use of any particular substance. now go ban juice authority or cut him off my ass where he always is or something....
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Juice Authority
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guards said:
Because he's a moron!
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Frackal
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Insulin can be a very beneficial tool but unlike most other bodybuilding substances it can easily kill you within a matter of hours if you're not careful.
Bulldog_10
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Insulin FAQflexkish said:
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THE_BIG_FED
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flexkish said:
your not allowed. too dangerous.
THE_BIG_FED said:
i was a newbie to insulin not too long ago....and i'm doing fine with it. i never said to go down the the pharm and get him some humulin-R and go to town.....first ask me or you or whomever questions that are relavent to using slin. like how many carbs, when to take them, how much insulin, which type of insulin (not that there an many more than one choice here OTC in the USA). i did not see this fellows history or age or what not....maybe i missed it. i know he is new to insulin, but maybe not new to the AAS game. in that case it may be OK for him to use it. if he gives us more info, then that can be determined. but to just say "oh don't use it, its dangerous!"....is a rather foolish blanket statement. ANYTHING is dangerous w/o the right knowledge. we are here to help answer peoples questions, not to discourage use of any particular substance. now go ban juice authority or cut him off my ass where he always is or something....
Insulin is one of my personal pet peeves....because someone i knew DIED from it.
I'm sure you are aware of the risks and benefits etc. If you take AS incorrectly, the chances of you DYING are pretty slim. If you take slin incorrectly, the chances of you dying are pretty apparent.
I just don't see how the risks outweigh the benefits....other than perhpas availability.
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THE_BIG_FED
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guards said:
how can you say when following the safety guidelines to a T you can die from it?
Bulldog_10
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THE_BIG_FED said:
I'm not so much against it for the short-term possibilities...I'm more against messing with your insulin levels in ANY way. That's just one thing that I don't advise fucking with unless you have something to gain from your body (other than getting big, such as money from competing, or being a professional athlete)...other things I advise against for the same reasons are thyroid hormones and DNP.
When you think about how just eating to much sugars can give you diabetes, it doesn't make sense to inject yourself with insulin and mess around with it.
Just my thoughts on it...I'm not going to say you're wrong if you use it...I'll just stay away from it.
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THE_BIG_FED
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so much misinformation about using insulin 4 times a week once each time. for a cycle or two. unreal. not worth arguing over.
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THE_BIG_FED
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RoidBeast said:
try and explain that to this lot. i've been trying for an hour.......
THE_BIG_FED said:
You expect a newbie to follow safety guidelines to a T? You expect people to always do things the RIGHT way?
come on bro, you and i both know that in this game abuse of these substances is the norm and not the exception. Abusing insulin can be deadly.....period.
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THE_BIG_FED
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guards said:
i guess i am smarter than the average joe. i have no problems with it....but i know there are some young'ns and numbskulls around, and of course its deadly if you use it wrong. dirt nap time. i judge people on my sensibilities (what little i have
) sometimes......and figure they will research and ask questions. i got flamed a few times over insulin asking questions....but i got my answers so i was able to do it safely. i too used to be deadly scared of it.....but like anything else, just be safe and you'll be alright. what did your friend do to kill himself if i may ask?Shallow Hal
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Bulldog_10 said:
Actually the short term possibilities are much more dangerous then long term proper use. Insulin, when used properly will not make you diabetic. If you use it improperly, well you probably won't be concerned about the long term effects because you will be dead.
Insulin can be used safely and effectively. Like Bulldog said, he'll dtay away from it. That doesn't mean everyone has too. Do your homework and make your own decision.
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THE_BIG_FED
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Shallow Hal said:
yep exactly. he'll be a little scrawny ass and we will be big diesel. lol.
if used sparingly during selected cycles, no way you become diabetic. if anything its relieving stress on your pancreas post w/o.
THE_BIG_FED said:
i guess i am smarter than the average joe. i have no problems with it....but i know there are some young'ns and numbskulls around, and of course its deadly if you use it wrong. dirt nap time. i judge people on my sensibilities (what little i have
Dumbass was drunk, took a shot of insulin (not sure the dose, but i am guessing it was pretty high), kept drinking and than had a seizure and died.
More of an aquaitance than a friend...but a good example of how stupidity kills.
You are correct when you say that when used properly it's effective. The problem is that there are many people out there that have NO clue how to use OR decided to be inventive and up their dose or forget the cardinal rules of insulin usage. You can't die from taking too much test...I've tried
You take too much insulin, or take it at the wrong time, and your a gonzo.
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THE_BIG_FED
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guards said:
Dumbass was drunk, took a shot of insulin (not sure the dose, but i am guessing it was pretty high), kept drinking and than had a seizure and died.
More of an aquaitance than a friend...but a good example of how stupidity kills.
You are correct when you say that when used properly it's effective. The problem is that there are many people out there that have NO clue how to use OR decided to be inventive and up their dose or forget the cardinal rules of insulin usage. You can't die from taking too much test...I've tried
damn....so i guess binge drinking and insulin don't mix huh? i am a careful person believe me. but most are not i suppose. why the hell would someone take insulin when drinking? would be the last thing on my mind.
THE_BIG_FED said:
damn....so i guess binge drinking and insulin don't mix huh? i am a careful person believe me. but most are not i suppose. why the hell would someone take insulin when drinking? would be the last thing on my mind.
We'll never know...he's dead.
He was renowned to be a bit of a retard when it came to AS and his dosages. VERY VERY irresponsible.
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THE_BIG_FED
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guards said:
well that is unfortunate. i hate irresponsible people though. ruins it for the rest of us who are
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Bulldog_10
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Shallow Hal said:
I definitely agree with you...short term sides (such as death) are much more likely to occur. But they are also much more predictable. Eat a bunch of carbs, shoot some insulin...easy. I'm sure I could get away with it without dying. What I am not so sure about, is how my body will react in the long term.
I doubt even half of the people that use insulin have actually studied insulin's effect on the body (as a whole, not just on muscles). Sure, they know that you should take it post-workout and 10g of carbs for every iu (or whatever they measure it in)...But what if instead of 10g someone fucked up and posted 1g or something like that...most people wouldn't even know...and end up hurting themselves.
I've taken my fair share of physiology courses and I made the choice to stay away from insuline...I'm not trying to sway anyone's opinion away from it...But I'm not going to advise anyone I know to take it.
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Frackal
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For CRMdogg and Bulldog can you please post specifically what these side effects are? I've done quite a load of research and am curious because you say "long term sides" but don't state what they may be.
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THE_BIG_FED
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Frackal said:
everyone likes to post these accusations, but never back them up at all. dangerous...... yes, but worthy of this mass hysteria...... no. now just the facts bulldog!
I agree with not using it unless you know all the does & don'ts possible.
As an example, guards friend who did a slin shot while drinking. If he knew it could kill him he would not have taken that chance.
It's like this guy in my gym decided to take T-3. and when he stopped his thyroid never came back to normal, i.e. underactive. As a result he has to take T-3 for the rest of his life just to keep the weight off.
My advice for insulin, T-3 & DNP:
Think & compare the risk to the benefit
If you can achieve the same by doing AS and/or clen, effedrine, hydroxy and other fat burners, stick to it. You don't know what can happen.
Dr. JK
As an example, guards friend who did a slin shot while drinking. If he knew it could kill him he would not have taken that chance.
It's like this guy in my gym decided to take T-3. and when he stopped his thyroid never came back to normal, i.e. underactive. As a result he has to take T-3 for the rest of his life just to keep the weight off.
My advice for insulin, T-3 & DNP:
Think & compare the risk to the benefit
If you can achieve the same by doing AS and/or clen, effedrine, hydroxy and other fat burners, stick to it. You don't know what can happen.
Dr. JK
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THE_BIG_FED
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i like to live dangerously. that is why i have "outlaw" tattooed down the back of my arm in old english. :havoc:
that is why i have "outlaw" tattooed down the back of my arm in old english. :havoc:DNIndustry
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I am interested in hearing thoughts on using insulin during the day and post workout for bulking...
Any ideas?
Any ideas?
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THE_BIG_FED
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DNIndustry said:
don't mess with it more than 5 times a week post w/o if you ask me. any more is bound to come back to haunt you over time.
