Insulin Users

[SharonNeedles]

I haven't used insulin for about 4 years. I used the humulin-r and I would take a creatine and high sugar drink like cell-tech. I was wondering if any of you all that use insulin have ever taken it with Vitargo-CGL or San V-12 turbo, this has great insulin spike better than you cell-techs, but with no sugar. I know that you need to down a great deal of carbs after injecting the insulin. Would these these types of creatine transporters work, or do you need good old fashion SUGAR. I think these new types used some sort of maltodextrin, but they still say it has 0 sugar.

 

[Tux]

You wouldn't need the sugar for the creatine transport with either one bro, the insulin spike you're creating by INJECTING insulin is going to shuttle the creatine in for you. However, if you take that slin without lots of sugars, you die... so that won't help you grow very much. It really won't matter if you take a sugar-free creatine or not, since you'll have to take sugar with it either way

 

[SharonNeedles]

You wouldn't need the sugar for the creatine transport with either one bro, the insulin spike you're creating by INJECTING insulin is going to shuttle the creatine in for you. However, if you take that slin without lots of sugars, you die... so that won't help you grow very much. It really won't matter if you take a sugar-free creatine or not, since you'll have to take sugar with it either way

Yea, I hear you, I was just curious because these drinks spike you insulin level but how can they do that without sugar. Thanks for you help

 

[gymratforlife]

You wouldn't need the sugar for the creatine transport with either one bro, the insulin spike you're creating by INJECTING insulin is going to shuttle the creatine in for you. However, if you take that slin without lots of sugars, you die... so that won't help you grow very much. It really won't matter if you take a sugar-free creatine or not, since you'll have to take sugar with it either way

This is correct.LoL not to off subject or anything but today I took 15ius of humalog after training and took a 120g of carb drink with 102 grams of protein right after shot and another just like it one hour after injecting right when you get the BIG Humalog spike and I was so full I thought I was going to die.Ive had the shits till about now and this was like 10 hours ago,lol.Definetly try to make your second meal one of solid food so you wont have my problem.

 

[Tux]

Lol dude I know just what you're talking about! Happened to me when I used humalog as well. I'd have my 100gram carb/60gram WPI shake right after the shot, then the same thing again at 1hr, then try to get a meal in at the 2hr point. GOD I got so nauseous and sick of eating... I'll probably have to do that again to get back over 200lbs though.

 

[silverbackn]

We are sick bastards! The things we do in the name of improvement, you can't help but love us.

 

[gymratforlife]

Ohhh its fucking nasty,but you dont need a 3rd meal the meal right after the shot and the one an hour later is enough to ride out the second spike wich ocurs at the hour mark.I do 120carbs to the 15 ius and never gone hypo.Then again I take 4-6 ius of gh per day so that might desensitise me to slin a bit.LoL If I would have had to eat a third meal after that second shake I think I would have just rather died of hypo.I always carry a mountain dew with me and I was like oh god I hope I dont have to take a sip of this because I am going to puke both those huge shakes.I even weigh the powder in my shakes and each shake had 2 servings equaling 250grams of powder each.Was nasty lol.

 

[PolfaJelfa]

102 G of protein in 1 sitting.....over 50% went towards fat..and was not metabolized.

 

[PolfaJelfa]

Btw...a warning to slin users. Proper use of slin.....caused the skin around my dick to shrink causing major problems. Took care of it surgically and all is good. Just a heads up, slin has its side effects.

 

[Qphoton]

wow a board is full of slin experts ....ok few days ago i post one thread about getting some advices but IN VAIN ...SOME guys said oh poor guy it's not for beginners or it is gonna kill u a** how the f***k do u know i ma a beginner nevertheless no one taking care of u guys who said i take xx iu ..i take that shit of carb what's up guys ....for the moderator i need to hear your opinion ..the board is to make us like a family members who are ready to help each other am i true

by the way i asked to post a link for me ...i read alots of but no one did
with all respect ......

 

[Makavelli]

Yes, you can use Vitargo. In fact that's what I use during my carb load days. I'll also use it for my carb load before my show. I use Vitargo with sugar oatmeal. Works great!

 

[gymratforlife]

102 G of protein in 1 sitting.....over 50% went towards fat..and was not metabolized.

See this is were I think you are wrong I believe the slin would push those 102g of protein into the muscle and it wouldnt turn to fat.Anyhow even with out slin it is really hard for protein to turn to fat.

 

[PolfaJelfa]

See this is were I think you are wrong I believe the slin would push those 102g of protein into the muscle and it wouldnt turn to fat.Anyhow even with out slin it is really hard for protein to turn to fat.

Bro, ill make it simple. Its science. There is no high corelation between increased insulin and protein absorption by the intestines/ process thru liver.
Sliln just shuttles the nutrients.

You need sugar after slin to replenish glycogen, maintain BGC ( Blood Glucose Count). I have no idea about any of those drinks you guys are talking about. I would use dextrose ( corn sugar) its realy fast acting..... the rule is 10g of carbs per iu of slin...to be safe...

I will no longer be using slin...as i personally feel it is may be unsafe in long term use. In some cases it may cause side-efects like i described even with light short term use. Its a risk thing. Each his own choice

 

[gymratforlife]

Bro, ill make it simple. Its science. There is no high corelation between increased insulin and protein absorption by the intestines/ process thru liver.
Sliln just shuttles the nutrients.

You need sugar after slin to replenish glycogen, maintain BGC ( Blood Glucose Count). I have no idea about any of those drinks you guys are talking about. I would use dextrose ( corn sugar) its realy fast acting..... the rule is 10g of carbs per iu of slin...to be safe...

I will no longer be using slin...as i personally feel it is may be unsafe in long term use. In some cases it may cause side-efects like i described even with light short term use. Its a risk thing. Each his own choice

So why are these bodybuilders taking in 150 grams of protein in one sitting after a slin shot?

 

[Tux]

B/c they're stupid and think more is better? Lol. I never went above 60g's protein per shake on slin, and I was worried that was too much. 60g's of WPI and 100g's carbs for a 10iu shot, if it was 12-15iu's(highest I went), then I'd add a cherry coke for another 40g's or so of carbs. 150g's protein is ridiculous even if you're ronnie coleman... honestly I think 102g's is way too high for someone your size bro... since you're the same size as me If it works for you though I won't knock it, everyone's different.

 

[gymratforlife]

B/c they're stupid and think more is better? Lol. I never went above 60g's protein per shake on slin, and I was worried that was too much. 60g's of WPI and 100g's carbs for a 10iu shot, if it was 12-15iu's(highest I went), then I'd add a cherry coke for another 40g's or so of carbs. 150g's protein is ridiculous even if you're ronnie coleman... honestly I think 102g's is way too high for someone your size bro... since you're the same size as me If it works for you though I won't knock it, everyone's different.

LoL probably wasnt working I only tried it once and for the carb part I know that 6grams of carbs per iu is enough for me not to go hypo.But good heads up on the protein tip I awas under the assumption that when you added artificial slin it would absorb it all differently then when u ate normal.Guess I was wrong on that one.K to you both for clarifiying that.

 

[Makavelli]

Yeah, that's a shit load of protein at one time when you're also eating so many carbs.

 

[gymratforlife]

So 50 grams right after shot and 50 grams one hour after shot would be too much?I believe the big spike in humalog hits at the hour mark at least thats how Ive been doing it and its worked fine with never going hypo.I was also doing 6 carbs per iu after a while and never felt hypo.

 

[Makavelli]

So 50 grams right after shot and 50 grams one hour after shot would be too much?I believe the big spike in humalog hits at the hour mark at least thats how Ive been doing it and its worked fine with never going hypo.I was also doing 6 carbs per iu after a while and never felt hypo.

I would go with 25 grams with the shot and 25 at the hour mark. Increase the amount of carbs. That's the point of using slin.

 

[gymratforlife]

So Im gona have to split the powdered drink in half and add some carbs only to it because it has 60g of carbs and 51g of protein per serving.

 

[BionicBC]

if you take that slin without lots of sugars, you die... so that won't help you grow very much...

you'll have to take sugar with it either way

What about those "Carb-Rush drinks most GNC's / local gyms sell along with protein shakes, exc. Those provide about 80g of carbs, but no sugar. Is this a valid source of carbs after a slin shot? Ive always just used grape juice and creatine, but just for my own info I wanted to know.
Bionic

 

[gymratforlife]

What about those "Carb-Rush drinks most GNC's / local gyms sell along with protein shakes, exc. Those provide about 80g of carbs, but no sugar. Is this a valid source of carbs after a slin shot? Ive always just used grape juice and creatine, but just for my own info I wanted to know.
Bionic

I wouldnt mess with that shit bro if you error you can be dead,because if you down all that shit and your full and it dosent stop you from going hypo then your in deep shit because it gets hard to down more carbs once your bursting at the seams full.

 

[Makavelli]

What about those "Carb-Rush drinks most GNC's / local gyms sell along with protein shakes, exc. Those provide about 80g of carbs, but no sugar. Is this a valid source of carbs after a slin shot? Ive always just used grape juice and creatine, but just for my own info I wanted to know.
Bionic

Just because it says no sugars doesn't mean that it won't get in you quick. Vitargo is a sugar less carb, but it gets in you faster than dextrose which is pure glucose. You'll be fine with a Carb Rush, although I think Vitargo or dextrose works much better.

 

[BionicBC]

Just because it says no sugars doesn't mean that it won't get in you quick. Vitargo is a sugar less carb, but it gets in you faster than dextrose which is pure glucose. You'll be fine with a Carb Rush, although I think Vitargo or dextrose works much better.

When you say Vitargo, are you referring to that Creatine that i keep seeing Markus Ruhl in ads for? If so, do you like it? Ive been wanting to try it.
Bionic

 

[gymratforlife]

Well there you go now you have some asurance and your not just taking it,slin is not fun to error with.I have messed with it and have gotten to know how my body reacts to it and can take as little as 6grams of carbs per iu with no problems,wich I wouldnt recomend for any1 to try at the begining.

 

[Makavelli]

When you say Vitargo, are you referring to that Creatine that i keep seeing Markus Ruhl in ads for? If so, do you like it? Ive been wanting to try it.
Bionic

Yeah. The shit is awesome. No bloat and it gets in your bloodstream quicker than dextrose. I use it to carb load. You can also get it w/o creatine, but it's harder to find.

 

[Tux]

Depends on the kind of carbs. Just b/c it's not "sucrose" or "dextrose" doesn't mean it's not still a high GI carb, like Makavelli said. It might still be a high GI carb and get into your system quickly, which is what you want with slin. I'd probably start off cautiously though, maybe try half your carbs from the drink, and half dextrose. If that works fine, gradually replace the dextrose fully with the carb drink. Long as you get enough carbs, and they get into your bloodstream fast enough to keep you from going hypo, you're doing the right thing. Those drinks are too pricey for me though, so I just make my own with powdered dextrose, or super-concentrated gatorade

 

[Makavelli]

Depends on the kind of carbs. Just b/c it's not "sucrose" or "dextrose" doesn't mean it's not still a high GI carb, like Makavelli said. It might still be a high GI carb and get into your system quickly, which is what you want with slin. I'd probably start off cautiously though, maybe try half your carbs from the drink, and half dextrose. If that works fine, gradually replace the dextrose fully with the carb drink. Long as you get enough carbs, and they get into your bloodstream fast enough to keep you from going hypo, you're doing the right thing. Those drinks are too pricey for me though, so I just make my own with powdered dextrose, or super-concentrated gatorade

Same here Tux. I always used to make my own dextrose or Gatorade from Powder before I tried the Vitargo. Now I'll never go back.

 

[Tux]

Hmm... really that good huh? I may have to try it then, especially if I hit the slin again soon. Where do you get yours, and just the regular Vitargo creatine that Marcus Ruhl pimps in all the mags?

 

[Makavelli]

Hmm... really that good huh? I may have to try it then, especially if I hit the slin again soon. Where do you get yours, and just the regular Vitargo creatine that Marcus Ruhl pimps in all the mags?

Yeah, I get it from a discount nutrition store. Just get the regular Vitargo with creatine.

 

[metisse]

Anyone using insulin should have a glucose meter. After a hundred tests over a month period you can know exactly where your blood glucose levels are and can accurately predict where they will be. There not a lot of sense in take sugars in if your blood glucose is high, and it is very important to take them if it is low and dropping. A good meter only cost about $75.00 and the test strips about $.50 and you can know exactly where your blood glucose is at, instead of guessing and hopeing. Be Safe,Strong and Healthy

 

[Judo Tom]

Anyone using insulin should have a glucose meter. After a hundred tests over a month period you can know exactly where your blood glucose levels are and can accurately predict where they will be. There not a lot of sense in take sugars in if your blood glucose is high, and it is very important to take them if it is low and dropping. A good meter only cost about $75.00 and the test strips about $.50 and you can know exactly where your blood glucose is at, instead of guessing and hopeing. Be Safe,Strong and Healthy

great post!

anyone who doesnt have one is just guessing. With a meter there is no guess work and you can quickly find what you need to ingest to keep your sugar levels where they need to be for the whole time the slin is active and get the best gains. With a meter its much easier to not gain fat as well

 

[Makavelli]

When I first started using insulin I always used my meter. Now I know exactly when the peaks and valleys are for me. I always have it on hand just in case, but I'm more experienced and know how much carbs I need and when. Insulin is funny though. I've noticed that if you're under stress you react much harder to the effects. That's why you always need to have glucose tabs handy.

 

[PolfaJelfa]

I would do something like 50-65 g with shot (with 10g of carbs per IU) and after 2- 2.5 hours....another 50 g protein.

 

[gymratforlife]

What if its humalog bro?Its suposed to spike at the hour mark and be out in 2 hours.

 

[Makavelli]

What if its humalog bro?Its suposed to spike at the hour mark and be out in 2 hours.

With Humalog you need to eat 5 minutes after the shot and at the one hour mark. Humalog is trickier than Humilin R. I prefer Humilin R.

 

[gymratforlife]

Yeah I knew the times thats what I mean I can only get 50 grams of protein while the insulin is active?Then the rest is wasted?

 

[Makavelli]

Yeah I knew the times thats what I mean I can only get 50 grams of protein while the insulin is active?Then the rest is wasted?

The protein will still be available for a couple hours.

 

[gymratforlife]

So basically is the same absorbtion as when not using slin.You can only absorb the 50 grams in the 2 hour period of the slin?See Ive gotten so many mixed answers on this some say you can absorb more protein when you introduce slin into the body and others say all you can absorb in those 2 hours is about 50 grams.