insulin question

[needsize]

Does anyone know for sure(not just a guess), if insulin transports fats as well as carbs and protein? I have used humalog and humalin r many times, and havent noticed any appreciable fat gains, but this time around I am planning on trying humalin l or r, which is active all day, and would like a definitive answer so I can plan my diet accordingly
thanks

 

[Outtlaw]

I wouldnt say that it transports fat directly per say.... But it does have an effect on fat synthesis. Read this linkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin . It has some good information on it. The whole understanding of exactly how insulin works can be complicated, and even after studying this stuff for years, even I dont understand all of it.

Im curious to know what your theory is on why you're gonna switch over to the longer acting insulin though. Im always interested to hear peoples methods on insulin use and how they get the most out of it.

 

[needsize]

I wouldnt say that it transports fat directly per say.... But it does have an effect on fat synthesis. Read this linkhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin . It has some good information on it. The whole understanding of exactly how insulin works can be complicated, and even after studying this stuff for years, even I dont understand all of it.

Im curious to know what your theory is on why you're gonna switch over to the longer acting insulin though. Im always interested to hear peoples methods on insulin use and how they get the most out of it.

Thanks for the link

IN talking with ironmaster, who is the insulin and gh guru, he exlpained that humalog and "r" arent really in your system long enough to help you really grow. I was using "r" twice daily, and even that wasnt enough, as I've never gained squat from insulin, so I figure this is worth a try

 

[granby140]

i noticed some gains off the humalog. It worked well with my last tren/test cycle. forced me to eat and eat right

 

[yomama1]

I havent gained an once of fat while using slin post workout.

 

[Judo Tom]

i get much better results when using the longer versions and that is why i prefer training in the am as well as it gives you more time to take advantage of its actions.

dont overdue the carbs.. find the amount that works best for you and try to listen to your body sometimes you will need more carbs sometimes less depending on your diet and even what muscles youve trained. im pretty sure you keep a log and i would keep a very detailed log on the slin use so you can stay 100% on top of it.

good luck

 

[yomama1]

i get much better results when using the longer versions and that is why i prefer training in the am as well as it gives you more time to take advantage of its actions.

dont overdue the carbs.. find the amount that works best for you and try to listen to your body sometimes you will need more carbs sometimes less depending on your diet and even what muscles youve trained. im pretty sure you keep a log and i would keep a very detailed log on the slin use so you can stay 100% on top of it.

good luck

I understand more carbs as to not go hypo, but less? Isnt the more the better anyway? I was doing 20IU post workout with 60g of carbs. What does that mean? Cuz some people that use slin go hypo if they would do 20iu and 60g of carbs, it wouldnt be enough for them.

 

[Slyder190]

i get much better results when using the longer versions and that is why i prefer training in the am as well as it gives you more time to take advantage of its actions.

dont overdue the carbs.. find the amount that works best for you and try to listen to your body sometimes you will need more carbs sometimes less depending on your diet and even what muscles youve trained. im pretty sure you keep a log and i would keep a very detailed log on the slin use so you can stay 100% on top of it.

good luck

Fuckin solid. K.

 

[Makavelli]

I understand more carbs as to not go hypo, but less? Isnt the more the better anyway? I was doing 20IU post workout with 60g of carbs. What does that mean? Cuz some people that use slin go hypo if they would do 20iu and 60g of carbs, it wouldnt be enough for them.

20 IU's and 60 g carbs??? I couldn't do it, but you obviously don't have very good insulin sensitivity. Do you notice a difference going that high?

 

[needsize]

with the long acting insulins like l or rm there isnt the same need to watch carbs are there arent any insulin spikes like with humalog.
I've used humalog tons of times, and gone as low as 35 grams of carbs with 20iu, and not felt a thing

 

[LoneTree]

Does anyone know for sure(not just a guess), if insulin transports fats as well as carbs and protein? I have used humalog and humalin r many times, and havent noticed any appreciable fat gains, but this time around I am planning on trying humalin l or r, which is active all day, and would like a definitive answer so I can plan my diet accordingly
thanks

Insulin for sure causes these effects in your fatty tissue which lead to more fat deposited in your body:
1. Increased fatty acid synthesis
2. Increased glycerol synthesis
3. Increased tri-glycerides (fat) synthesis.
Source: Ganong's Medical Physiology, 21st edition.

 

[Makavelli]

Does anyone know for sure(not just a guess), if insulin transports fats as well as carbs and protein? I have used humalog and humalin r many times, and havent noticed any appreciable fat gains, but this time around I am planning on trying humalin l or r, which is active all day, and would like a definitive answer so I can plan my diet accordingly
thanks

Fat will be transported along with the carbs and protein into adipocytes and myocytes respectively when high insulin levels are present. That's why it's a good idea to keep fat low when using insulin.

 

[yomama1]

20 IU's and 60 g carbs??? I couldn't do it, but you obviously don't have very good insulin sensitivity. Do you notice a difference going that high?

with the long acting insulins like l or rm there isnt the same need to watch carbs are there arent any insulin spikes like with humalog.
I've used humalog tons of times, and gone as low as 35 grams of carbs with 20iu, and not felt a thing

I hope its not a sign of anything bad. I was just watching tv and they were talking about insulin. When someone isnt as sensitive to insulin then the pancreas will keep on pumping that shit out and after a while it will shut down or something like that to my understanding.

I've been abusing icecream for a very long time, since I was 11. I'd eat buckets of it every week.

 

[Makavelli]

I hope its not a sign of anything bad. I was just watching tv and they were talking about insulin. When someone isnt as sensitive to insulin then the pancreas will keep on pumping that shit out and after a while it will shut down or something like that to my understanding.

I've been abusing icecream for a very long time, since I was 11. I'd eat buckets of it every week.

It is a bad thing. Low insulin sensitivity results in Hypoglycemia, which can eventually lead to diabetes....yeah, it's not good. I would start taking high doses of ALA and cut out your simple sugars, except for after a workout.

 

[needsize]

I have gone hypo, but never on humalog, only on "r", about 3 hours after the shot, and that was on lots of carbs. I dont eat much in the way of simple sugars, I'm more into the fatty and salty stuff

 

[yomama1]

I have gone hypo, but never on humalog, only on "r", about 3 hours after the shot, and that was on lots of carbs. I dont eat much in the way of simple sugars, I'm more into the fatty and salty stuff

Today I decided to be a suicidal guinea pig, I injected 20IU then 20IU again 30min later, with my regular 60g carbs, and then 30g.

 

[ohashi]

It is a bad thing. Low insulin sensitivity results in Hypoglycemia, which can eventually lead to diabetes....

Hyperglycemia. Whether the insulin production is low due to fucked-up pancreatic function or the refusal of cells to intake blood glucose due to insulin insensitivity, blood sugar will be high, not low. Thus, hyperglycemia, not hypoglycemia.

 

[yomama1]

Hyperglycemia. Whether the insulin production is low due to fucked-up pancreatic function or the refusal of cells to intake blood glucose due to insulin insensitivity, blood sugar will be high, not low. Thus, hyperglycemia, not hypoglycemia.

what the diff between the two?

Ohashi, you think my pancreas is fucked up? After all the years of sugar abuse? I mean, I just did 40IU and I feel nothing.

 

[ohashi]

Hyperglycemia is high blood sugar (blood glucose levels are higher than they should be for regular function). Hypoglycemia is low blood sugar (opposite of hyperglycemia).

 

[ohashi]

Ohashi, you think my pancreas is fucked up? After all the years of sugar abuse? I mean, I just did 40IU and I feel nothing.

See a doc, bro. I would venture a guess that your pancreatic function is slighly impaired along with a moderate-to-high insensitivity of your insulin receptors, but it's just that - a guess based on what you posted. Go to a doc, explain your concerns, and ask him to run relevant tests if your insurance covers it.

 

[Mikus]

Today I decided to be a suicidal guinea pig, I injected 20IU then 20IU again 30min later, with my regular 60g carbs, and then 30g.

Are you still alive???

 

[Makavelli]

Hyperglycemia. Whether the insulin production is low due to fucked-up pancreatic function or the refusal of cells to intake blood glucose due to insulin insensitivity, blood sugar will be high, not low. Thus, hyperglycemia, not hypoglycemia.

Actually what happens in the initial stages of poor insulin sensitivity is that the body overcompensates for the high level of blood sugar, due to the glucose not being able to cross the cell membrane barrier, and dumps excessive amounts of insulin into the bloodstream. This causes the aforementioned low blood sugar and subsequent crash.

 

[ohashi]

Initial stages. Insulin insensitivity increased extremely quickly as that happens, and very soon, the person is stuck with elevated blood glucose levels all the time. That is the general condition of insulin insensitivity, even before full-blown diabetes develops.

 

[Makavelli]

Initial stages. Insulin insensitivity increased extremely quickly as that happens, and very soon, the person is stuck with elevated blood glucose levels all the time. That is the general condition of insulin insensitivity, even before full-blown diabetes develops.

I think that we're talking about the same thing, just different stages. I'm referring to the initial stages where the body simply produces lots of insulin in order to get the glucose into the cell. Later I agree that the pancreas can get burnt out and it results in high blood glucose. Either way, it's not good.

 

[ohashi]

We are, indeed, talking about the same thing.

 

[yomama1]

Are you still alive???

Yes, a few hours later, as I got to the gym, I began to sweat and my hands were shaking, so I downed a bunch of sugar and was fine. My limit is 25IU, I dont think I'll go over that much.