Insulin Gains..

[liquidanny]

What kind of gains should I expect from 10iu of insulin ed 5 on 2 off. 5iu GH 5on 2off. I am going to add androgens but if this is all I would do for a ten week cycle what kind of gains am I looking at? Provided that I eat enough 4500 cals a day 400mg protein.

I am 5'11
182lbs
5.5% -6% bodyfat

p.s. how long should I run insulin?

 

[Sofa King Big]

liqui

Insulin is best utilized for those that have "hit the wall," don't grow on gear as well as they should, and those those that are competitive as a last resort to tweak gains (with the addition to diabetics, duh!).

Please note that the use of insulin [when not required due to illness such ass diabetes] can kill the ole pancreas! Use of insulin can also form dependency on it <also resulting in death of the pancreas>. This is, of course, a BAD thing <mmmK?>.

I've seen some posts here by guys that didn't have a clue on how to use insulin as if they knew something, they didn't. Their advice of course being SCARY! I realize there are many here more knowledgable than I on the use of 'slin, but they are far and few between. I make this statement because people need to realize that insulin is SERIOUS shit.

Please realize that there are different types of Insulins!They range in cost, availability, and most of all, POTENCY! The ranges go from Humilin R, Novalin R, VeloSulin R, to Insulin lispro (Humalog), et cetera.

Insulin is necessary for the normal metabolism of carbohydrates, protein and fat. Normal insulin secretion has both basal and meal-stimulated components. Basal insulin secretion, which is usually in the range of 0.5 to 1.0 unit per hour, retards hepatic glucose production in the postabsorptive state. The fasting blood glucose level is the base on which prandial glycemia is added during the next 24 hours.

The meal-stimulated phase of insulin secretion (1 unit of insulin per 10 g of carbohydrate) promotes the dispersal of ingested nutrients, primarily glucose, into the periphery. Insulin is also released when blood glucose concentrations exceed 100 mg per dL (5.6 mmol per L).

So what is being said here? It means you can't just say "10 IU's of 'slin ed... NO matter what kind of insulin you take <and God I hope you don't try to take Humalog- you will DIE.> 10 IU's is a funkload. That's WAY to much.

Liqui, I sincerely hope you opt to avoid 'slin, it WILL <NOT can, but WILL> mess you up if you don't know EXACTLY what you are doing and it probably WILL cause you to form a dependance on it even if you DO KNOW what you are doing! If you are hard-headed as usual and do your own thing, then I recommend talking to a credible lifter (with much 'slin experience) ONE ON ONE or, even better, a Doctor who really understands <not just an MD..> the effects and necessities of insulin. Good luck in your search!

 

[deppnade]

Re: liqui

Insulin is best utilized for those that have "hit the wall," don't grow on gear as well as they should, and those those that are competitive as a last resort to tweak gains (with the addition to diabetics, duh!).

Please note that the use of insulin [when not required due to illness such ass diabetes] can kill the ole pancreas! Use of insulin can also form dependency on it <also resulting in death of the pancreas>. This is, of course, a BAD thing <mmmK?>.

I've seen some posts here by guys that didn't have a clue on how to use insulin as if they knew something, they didn't. Their advice of course being SCARY! I realize there are many here more knowledgable than I on the use of 'slin, but they are far and few between. I make this statement because people need to realize that insulin is SERIOUS shit.

Please realize that there are different types of Insulins!They range in cost, availability, and most of all, POTENCY! The ranges go from Humilin R, Novalin R, VeloSulin R, to Insulin lispro (Humalog), et cetera.

Insulin is necessary for the normal metabolism of carbohydrates, protein and fat. Normal insulin secretion has both basal and meal-stimulated components. Basal insulin secretion, which is usually in the range of 0.5 to 1.0 unit per hour, retards hepatic glucose production in the postabsorptive state. The fasting blood glucose level is the base on which prandial glycemia is added during the next 24 hours.

The meal-stimulated phase of insulin secretion (1 unit of insulin per 10 g of carbohydrate) promotes the dispersal of ingested nutrients, primarily glucose, into the periphery. Insulin is also released when blood glucose concentrations exceed 100 mg per dL (5.6 mmol per L).

So what is being said here? It means you can't just say "10 IU's of 'slin ed... NO matter what kind of insulin you take <and God I hope you don't try to take Humalog- you will DIE.> 10 IU's is a funkload. That's WAY to much.

Liqui, I sincerely hope you opt to avoid 'slin, it WILL <NOT can, but WILL> mess you up if you don't know EXACTLY what you are doing and it probably WILL cause you to form a dependance on it even if you DO KNOW what you are doing! If you are hard-headed as usual and do your own thing, then I recommend talking to a credible lifter (with much 'slin experience) ONE ON ONE or, even better, a Doctor who really understands <not just an MD..> the effects and necessities of insulin. Good luck in your search!

i dont know about all that.....you will die if u take humalog, 10ius is alot, not a very good source of info for a newbie if u ask me, just my 2 cents though......

 

[Sofa King Big]

"I don't know about all that..."

I would agree with your first line. You don't know!

I don't know about all that...

First you agree with me that 10 iu's of Humalog is a lot, then you discount my knowledge because I only have a few posts.
I was on this board before you even knew what a weight room was.

Like I said, your ignorance is obvious by the first words you use
and certainly made more apparent by your [lack of] grammar, inability to contribute useful knowledge to this thread, and your unstructured prose.

Also, I know liqui *very* well and often work out with him.

 

[AnabolicAgent]

Whoa, what a minute. You are makeing statements that contradict everything I have ever heard about insulin. Why should I just instantly believe you, I have never heard of you. Ok, ask everyone that takes humalog if they are dead. If you hear a response then guess what they aint dead.

Sounds like you need to explain yourself a little here.

 

[Daeo]

Re: liqui

Insulin is best utilized for those that have "hit the wall," don't grow on gear as well as they should, and those those that are competitive as a last resort to tweak gains (with the addition to diabetics, duh!).

Please note that the use of insulin [when not required due to illness such ass diabetes] can kill the ole pancreas! Use of insulin can also form dependency on it <also resulting in death of the pancreas>. This is, of course, a BAD thing <mmmK?>.

I've seen some posts here by guys that didn't have a clue on how to use insulin as if they knew something, they didn't. Their advice of course being SCARY! I realize there are many here more knowledgable than I on the use of 'slin, but they are far and few between. I make this statement because people need to realize that insulin is SERIOUS shit.

Please realize that there are different types of Insulins!They range in cost, availability, and most of all, POTENCY! The ranges go from Humilin R, Novalin R, VeloSulin R, to Insulin lispro (Humalog), et cetera.

Insulin is necessary for the normal metabolism of carbohydrates, protein and fat. Normal insulin secretion has both basal and meal-stimulated components. Basal insulin secretion, which is usually in the range of 0.5 to 1.0 unit per hour, retards hepatic glucose production in the postabsorptive state. The fasting blood glucose level is the base on which prandial glycemia is added during the next 24 hours.

The meal-stimulated phase of insulin secretion (1 unit of insulin per 10 g of carbohydrate) promotes the dispersal of ingested nutrients, primarily glucose, into the periphery. Insulin is also released when blood glucose concentrations exceed 100 mg per dL (5.6 mmol per L).

So what is being said here? It means you can't just say "10 IU's of 'slin ed... NO matter what kind of insulin you take <and God I hope you don't try to take Humalog- you will DIE.> 10 IU's is a funkload. That's WAY to much.

Liqui, I sincerely hope you opt to avoid 'slin, it WILL <NOT can, but WILL> mess you up if you don't know EXACTLY what you are doing and it probably WILL cause you to form a dependance on it even if you DO KNOW what you are doing! If you are hard-headed as usual and do your own thing, then I recommend talking to a credible lifter (with much 'slin experience) ONE ON ONE or, even better, a Doctor who really understands <not just an MD..> the effects and necessities of insulin. Good luck in your search!

HOLY SHIT! This is the greatest amount of insulin propaganda I've ever witnessed in one post. 10ius of Humalog deadly? You can't be serious! I should have been dead a year ago! I think you're getting your IUs mixed up with your MLs. Secondly insulin usage will not lead to diabetes for most users. The only users that have a possiblity to develop diabeties while using exogeneous insulin are those who were pre-dispositioned to diabetes in the first place(ie those who have a family history of diabeties or already have a mild form), or abuse insulin. I don't consider 10ius post workout to be extreme. Sure you can die from insulin usage. But that's only if you can't read an insulin syringe or don't have enough common sense to have some carbs nearby when using insulin. Insulin requires some research and common sense. If you don't want to make an effort or aren't disciplined enough then stay away. I don't consider it an instant death sentence though...

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

Sofa King...you are WAY over-reacting to Dep and he is correct about what you posted being way overboard. 10iu's is just 10iu's- it will effect everyone differently. For some this could be way too much. For others 10iu won't even give them the shakes.

And Insulin usage "killing" the pancreas- BULLSHIT PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Shall I go on? You need to go and study up yourself before you post shit here and then cop and attitude with other bro's for posting an opinion.

 

[nyironman]

anabolicdiabetic, i believe liquiddanny was reaching out for some crucial advise that only YOU may be able to answer such as how long to run slin and at what iu none of you even answered 1 simple question for this guy.

 

[Daeo]

Nyironman: I know you mean well and all. Questions like "how much can I expect to gain"aren't easily answered. I know it's frustrating having no one answer this question, but the fact is that NO ONE KNOWS. He didn't ask for advice on how many IU's to take. But as far as duration goes, I've personally gone 8 weeks and had no problems. Although I would recommend you starting off on a 4 weeks on/2-4 weeks off to be safe. Also take into consideration that HGH will increase the amount of insulin you can handle

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

Please do a search so you can ask more specific Q's and I'll be happy to help if I can. I would go 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off for your first time and I would do the slin by itself first to find out how you react to it without complicating your insulin sensitivity with Androgens and GH. Start out at 2-3 units and move up by one unit at a time until you feel the symptoms of hypoglycemia from the dose- I'd say for most people that 15iu's after your workout would be the top limit and you don't have to take your top end dose to get results.

After you've found out through this first very simple cycle what your tolerances are, then try adding in GH or Gear but be forewarned that this will cause things to get more complicated in many ways so be careful.

Those are some VERY general ideas. If you do a search you'll find alot more info. And just for the record, I don't think you should use slin and I'm not condoning its usage by non-diabetics.

 

[The TEST of Truth]

I cant stand hearing people cry about 10u's being too much slin? Have you ever done slin? If so, have you ever tried 10u's of it? Anyone who thinks that 10u's is too much without experience doesn't know shit, and anyone who thinks 10u's is too much who has tried it and didnt like it obviously fucked up with it because 10u's is not that much. Ask any doctor about insulin. Mine would laugh if I asked him if 10u's would kill me. He set me straight. Talk to your own doctor if you are still worried.

 

[deppnade]

first of all sofa u big boner, i was only repeating u because what u said is straight up ludacris, and i am not one to bash anyone on opinions but u take the cake u fruity b@stard, i figured id wait for some back because i am not the oldest vet but for crying out loud, u are the most ignorant boner i have ever read advice from in my life, see u at factory, that is if i dont die from the "insane" dose of humalog i am taking, ignorant schmuck

 

[nyironman]

Nyironman: I know you mean well and all. Questions like "how much can I expect to gain"aren't easily answered. I know it's frustrating having no one answer this question, but the fact is that NO ONE KNOWS. He didn't ask for advice on how many IU's to take. But as far as duration goes, I've personally gone 8 weeks and had no problems. Although I would recommend you starting off on a 4 weeks on/2-4 weeks off to be safe. Also take into consideration that HGH will increase the amount of insulin you can handle

daeo youre right in that respect as far as gains are concerned
but he specifically wants to know from anyone whos experienced is what he might expect with the cycle hes posted, now for hedious remarks like this truth character is saying about 10iu of slin not being much is nonsence, according to ones tolerance and for someone with knowlege or not you could reach hypoglycemia which could lead to permanant problems and personally i wouldnt
want to see a guy whos trying to get ahead with his desires lose
it all from wrong advise like the ones im reading up here.

 

[deppnade]

Re: "I don't know about all that..."

I would agree with your first line. You don't know!


First you agree with me that 10 iu's of Humalog is a lot, then you discount my knowledge because I only have a few posts.
I was on this board before you even knew what a weight room was.

Like I said, your ignorance is obvious by the first words you use
and certainly made more apparent by your [lack of] grammar, inability to contribute useful knowledge to this thread, and your unstructured prose.

Also, I know liqui *very* well and often work out with him.

guy, lack of grammer, if i wanted an english teacher i wouldnt have killed her, unstructured prose, kill urself shakespeare........


"i know liqui well, i work out with him, bla bla bla", what do u want a medal cause u blow him in ur spare time??, kill urself

"i was on this board before you knew what a weight room was", yea i bet guy, you mean u were on liquis dick before i knew what a weight room was, you are nothing but a faggot and i think u should email george for a gay board, hell, they could use a moderator, u would suffice, good enough word mr english 101??


10 units gonna kill you he says, humalog will kill u he says, what has this board come to, the only thing u were in before i was in the weight room, maybe a sperm in the milk mans nuts, thats about it...........

 

[Molle_23]

I can just agree, this guy - liquidanny - is overreacting !!!!
It will NOT kill your pancreas. You'll be fine if you've done your research and take it easy, begin low, always have carbs in hand and so on... Also, Humalog is much easier to handle then the slower/longer acting ones.

Molle

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

Bump for some more Insulin trash talking- this is some funny shiznit

 

[calfzilla]

hee i m curtainly using some humalin r with my cycle for a post work out boost . i ve done a lot of research before i started + i got some advice from a nurse . I started at 2ui and workin my way up eod . I m not plannin to go more than 10ui because even if u are lucky to survive , the long term side effects are not known yet . my point is :moderation is the key to evry drug or hormone no matter how strong the stuff is.

 

[pgerardone]

I have used humilin r at up to 10iu's 2x a day for a few years and have not had one problem, am not diabetic and my pancreas works fine. Anything is dangerous if the person using it is not careful or does not do research into how to correctly use it. Insulin is not as dangerous as people make it out to be . Unless of course the person using it is an idiot.

 

[deppnade]

bump for anabolicdiabetic, i know that that original comment was u under another name playing a joke on us, dont lie

bump for a response from that boner.........

 

[The Iron Game]

I used from 5 upto 25ius daily for just over 3 weeks, never ever again, some serious side effects. I gained 20lbs and my hand started shaking once. Im so happy I had my carb drink on hand

 

[Daeo]

I used from 5 upto 25ius daily for just over 3 weeks, never ever again, some serious side effects. I gained 20lbs and my hand started shaking once. Im so happy I had my carb drink on hand

Do I sense some sarcasm...

 

[deppnade]

LMAO at iron, i guess he may have been wrong at the whole 10unit=instant death idea, to think i threw out my bottle of humalog because i was scared of instantaneously meeting the creator............

 

[MikeyLikesJuice]

since I know shit about insulin, I can't reply, but reading the post replys where funny as shit

 

[cockdezl]

"Please note that the use of insulin [when not required due to illness such ass diabetes] can kill the ole pancreas! Use of insulin can also form dependency on it <also resulting in death of the pancreas>. This is, of course, a BAD thing <mmmK?>."

SOFA, please give us the mechanism by which exogenous insulin can "kill" the pancreas.

"So what is being said here? It means you can't just say "10 IU's of 'slin ed... NO matter what kind of insulin you take <and God I hope you don't try to take Humalog- you will DIE.> 10 IU's is a funkload. That's WAY to much."

Step away from the keyboard, and resume watching MTV.

 

[AnabolicAgent]

Thanks, bros for your support on this thread. I knew that my fellow elite brothers would come to set this mofo strait.

The brothers on this board are some of the most knowledgable that exist.

Bump for the elite.

 

[rugger]

RIP

Too bad I am dead...
I would post if the 15iu of slin hadn't killed me yesterday.
Have carb drink in hand and be ready to eat, that is all you need after you've done your research and worked your way up the dosing slowly.

Rugger

 

[AnabolicAgent]

Ok, I think Big King Sofa guy tried to send me a virus on my hotmail account. Two can play this game. Ok elite bros that know how to deal with this can you help me?