Input on PCT

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Clomid should be a part of almost every PCT IMHO. Its one of, if not the most effective SERM us steroid users have to raise T, post cycle.

I've been on the boards for a while and sides associated with Clomid's use, tend to be on dosages above 50-100mg/ED.

Clomid or/and Torm for PCT IMHO. Those two SERM's seem to be most active in the pituitary, moreso than Rolax and Nolva.

 

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No, it is you who are incorrect. Clomid was not originally approved for that purpose. So just because it's an "approved" drug does not mean it will work for something it isn't designed for. So it can be sold but that has nothing to do with what we're talking about. Acting imperious does not make you correct. You want to try that bullshit, go here: www.bodybuilding.com

I never said clomid was approved for the purpose of raising test in men. Again I specifically stated that it was in Phase III clinical trials, and all the preliminary data has pointed towards it being very successful at serving this purpose. If it passes FDA approval, which it looks like it will then it WILL be approved for this treatment. You are right, acting imperious doesn't make me correct, rather it is the clinical data that validates my point something you have not been very forthcoming with. But it is up to the readers of this board to judge which side has more merit.

36 men isn't much. I did a test on the effects of avenacosides on 25 men and that was out of pocket. The AMA couldn;t splurge for more than THAT?

Its a preliminary study. The current one is trying to get 200 individuals to replicate the results in a larger population. In case you are unaware, clinical studies that involve humans taking drugs are incredibly expensive. You testing the effects avenacosides on 25 individuals is NOT at all comparable to an NIH funded drug study in terms of cost.

Then why isn't it used as HRT? You can ague all day that it works, and it does in some people. But in others, it's a disaster. (Kinda like leeches). There are better ways. You can ignore them if you like, but they exist.

Clomid is being used by certain urologists as a HRT. The problem is doctors are generally don't want to condone the use of drugs for purposes that they are not approved for, as this can easily result in a malpractice suit. This is why it is currently going through FDA trials again.

Yes Nelson, clomid is just like leeches I never said there were not other methods of PCT, nor have I ever stated that these methods are not effective. It is you who chooses to ignore all the promising clinical data on clomid as an effective PCT. You have no counter except for your anecdotal evidence and your misreading and slandering of the current studies out there.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I never said clomid was approved for the purpose of raising test in men. Again I specifically stated that it was in Phase III clinical trials, and all the preliminary data has pointed towards it being very successful at serving this purpose. If it passes FDA approval, which it looks like it will then it WILL be approved for this treatment. You are right, acting imperious doesn't make me correct, rather it is the clinical data that validates my point something you have not been very forthcoming with. But it is up to the readers of this board to judge which side has more merit.




Its a preliminary study. The current one is trying to get 200 individuals to replicate the results in a larger population. In case you are unaware, clinical studies that involve humans taking drugs are incredibly expensive. You testing the effects avenacosides on 25 individuals is NOT at all comparable to an NIH funded drug study in terms of cost.




Clomid is being used by certain urologists as a HRT. The problem is doctors are generally don't want to condone the use of drugs for purposes that they are not approved for, as this can easily result in a malpractice suit. This is why it is currently going through FDA trials again.

Yes Nelson, clomid is just like leeches I never said there were not other methods of PCT, nor have I ever stated that these methods are not effective. It is you who chooses to ignore all the promising clinical data on clomid as an effective PCT. You have no counter except for your anecdotal evidence and your misreading and slandering of the current studies out there.

There are so many things wrong with your argument but I'm not going to address them all because they're operating on semantics as opposed to details . You also contradict yourself. That, combined with expressions like "in case you're unaware" reeks of "snot nosed know it all message board kid."

I've been in this field for over 25 years and have been writing professionally, conducting seminars and clinics and working in research and development in the industry for over 10 years. So you can roll your eyes all you want, I know what I'm talking about. If you bothered to listen as opposed to coming on the site and trying to find fault, you know that and maybe you'd learn something in the process. I'm all for debate, but it looks as if you're just looking to start shit. Who are you anyway?