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Increasing bench and squat ORM

robigd

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Hi, I was curious as to what workouts would help increase my ORM in bench and squats. Me and my roommate made a bet last month to kind of motivate both of us to get back in the gym, and in 2 months, we are measuring out ORM on bench and squat, and I am looking for a natural advantage.

Any ideas?

My bench is at about 275 right now, and squat about 250.
 
Try doing some speed work for both if you're not already. Speed bench and speed box squats. Use about 50-60% of your 1RM and do 10 sets of 2-3, working on exploding off your chest or off the box.
 
Backlash,

Thanks for the response. What exactly do you mean by speed bench? Like not resting between sets?
 
Do you think the 5x5 workout will benefit my max if I have 3 months until my roommate and I have our contest?:rolleyes:
 
Sorry I just saw this. For a speed bench workout, do 10 sets of 3 reps with whatever weight you can get 3 reps in 3 seconds with. Usually around 45-55% of your max 1RM.

If you have access to jump-stretch bands, you can lower the amount of weight on the bar and wrap bands around the bar, anchored to the floor with heavy dumbbells. That allows you to explode off your chest quickly, but still makes the lockout more challenging. Read the articles at www.elitefts.com - they will change the way you train (for strength).
 
Have someone who is a squat and bench specialist...take a look at your form.

Strength takes years to build...fixing technique takes only a moment.

B True
 
Westside, as said above. First, learn to bench properly, and learn to squat off a box, properly. These guys will amaze you with how much you don't know about benching and squatting even if you've been training for years . . . Then look at their routine at the websit above, basically train bench and squat 2 times each per week (2 bench w/o ; 2 squat w/o). One workout for each exercise is a 1RM workout, these are essential for developing strength. The other workout is a speed workout, where you do 50-60% of your 1RM as fast and explosively as you can 8sets of 3 explosive reps. Speed work has been scientifically proven to increase 1RM. Also, bands etc are sometimes added on speed days, which enhance your eccentric contactions, which is also scientifically shown to increase your 1RM.

[The Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research: Vol. 16, No. 1, pp. 25–32.

The Effects of Accentuated Eccentric Loading on Strength, Muscle Hypertrophy, and Neural Adaptations in Trained Individuals
JASON P. BRANDENBURG and DAVID DOCHERTY

School of Physical Education, University of Victoria, Victoria, BC.

ABSTRACT

The purpose of this study was to compare the strength and neuromuscular adaptations for dynamic constant external resistance (DCER) training and dynamic accentuated external resistance (DAER) training (resistance training employing an accentuated load during eccentric actions). Male subjects active in resistance training were assigned to either a DCER training group (n = 10) or a DAER training group (n = 8) for 9 weeks. Subjects in the DCER group performed 4 sets of 10 repetitions with a load of 75% concentric 1 repetition maximum (RM). Subjects in the DAER group performed 3 sets of 10 repetitions with a concentric load of 75% of 1RM and an eccentric load of approximately 120% of concentric 1RM. Three measures reflecting adaptation of elbow flexors and extensors were recorded pretraining and posttraining: concentric 1RM, muscle cross-sectional area (CSA), and specific tension. Strength was assessed at midtraining periods. No significant changes in muscle CSA were observed in either group. Both training groups experienced significant increases in concentric 1RM and specific tension of both the elbow flexors and extensors, but compared with DCER training, DAER training produced significantly greater increases in concentric 1RM of the elbow extensors. These results suggest that, for some exercises, DAER training may be more effective than DCER training in developing strength within a 9-week training phase. However, for trained subjects, neither protocol is effective in eliciting muscle hypertrophy.]

Westside has all the latest research for increasing 1RM included in its program. Notice however, like in the study above, that even in trained subjects these techniques work, and westside demonstrates they work even for the highly advanced, but . . . most of the reasearch shows comparatively little hypertrophy (big muscles) to go with that strength. So . . . if you are a bodybuilder, oddly enough, strength is necessary BUT NOT SUFFICIENT for hypertrophy. In other words, increasing your bench 30 lbs is easily done with good westside work, however, you will not get the muscle growth you can get in that time from more hypertrophy-specific techniques.
 
b fold the truth said:
Have someone who is a squat and bench specialist...take a look at your form.

Strength takes years to build...fixing technique takes only a moment.

B True

i agree.

met a couple powerlifters this past weekend.

one really helped me with shortening my stroke.

another i plan to work with in the future, when his gym opens. his name is Scot Mendelson, anyone heard of him? :)
 
bignate73 said:
i agree.

met a couple powerlifters this past weekend.

one really helped me with shortening my stroke.

another i plan to work with in the future, when his gym opens. his name is Scot Mendelson, anyone heard of him? :)

He's the guy who couldn't bench 225 to save his grandma, isn't he? ;)

What exactly did they show you, Nate? (Congrats on your recent 300, btw. Forgot to mention that in the appropriate thread, and I'm too lazy to scroll down a quarter of the page to find it :) .)
 
he talked about the basics and some of the stuff he does. mentioned that his gym will be opening up in about 3 weeks. im there. its about 45 min away.
 
bignate73 said:
he talked about the basics and some of the stuff he does. mentioned that his gym will be opening up in about 3 weeks. im there. its about 45 min away.

Hmm...

Is being really jealous good enough reason to give someone negative karma? :lol:

I kid :) That's awesome. It might be a bit of a drive to go there for every workout, but once a week or so'd be worth the trip. Just to be in the same building with Mendelson would fire my ass up.
 
i couldnt afford every workout. maybe just form work for a workout once, then some equipment work. too much $$$ otherwise
 
bignate73 said:
i couldnt afford every workout. maybe just form work for a workout once, then some equipment work. too much $$$ otherwise

I hear ya. I'm damn near broke as is, so I might not be able to swing two workouts even if I lived close enough to go *frowns*

Ah well. What is Mendelson weighing these days?
 
bignate73 said:
i believe he is around 315. i think he competes at 308 and he said he was a little heavier....@12-13% bf!!!

Good God.

On that note, I think I'm going to forget about anything lifting related for the night. That's too humbling! :)
 
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