In this thread we discuss nootropics.

[samoth]

I'm currently trying vincopetine and that Neuro-PS stuff (that cost $50 a bottle (BOGO deal, of course)). Vincopetine seems to work well for pumps, blood flow similar to that evil, evil supplement yohimbine (makes me sicker than a dog the twice I've taken it), and the Neuro-PS is similar to piracetam in that there is no pronounced drug-like effect, but after two months of using up to 1g a day at times, I think it may have some beneficial effect at clarity of thought and possibly memory recall.

NOTHING beats the desmopressin I took during sophmore year. I definitely had the most pronounced beneficial, almost drug-like effect with that stuff (for me, of course, individual results may vary. Like how I feel like dying if I accidentally take yohimbine.

More discussion?

 

[gjohnson5]

You need some help bro!

 

[jnevin]

How do you mean? You feel a pump like NO2 supps and increased memory?

 

[samoth]

How do you mean? You feel a pump like NO2 supps and increased memory?

I've never used NO2, so I cannot comment. But I would say that the pumps are more intense, yes. I cannot say how well, if at all, it works for memory or as a nootropic.

 

[velvett]

I have noticed such benefit in the past but after semi long term use (like most anything) the effects were less.

 

[gjohnson5]

NO2 as a nootropic.... I would have to say no from personal experience. But maybe this is because you have to take a large dose before you get the nootropic benefits. But the average dose on NO2 never gave me any cognitive enhamcements As far as I could tell..

I've never used NO2, so I cannot comment. But I would say that the pumps are more intense, yes. I cannot say how well, if at all, it works for memory or as a nootropic.

 

[fortunatesun]

I like vinpocetine as a workout tool also. I don't notice the pumps so much as increased blood flow, vascularity, and good concentration. It's similar to getting a good warmup beforehand, but better. Helps me find my groove. I like it with DMAE.
Piracetam I didn't have any luck with. From what I understand there is a significant percentage that don't respond well. Gallantine, IMO, had a noticable effect, but I stopped when I ran out and forgot to buy more. I guess it worked but not well enough. Huperzine only so-so. I think I need something that comes in a pill about the size of one of those large cookies.

 

[samoth]

I noticed nothing with Pira until I was at 2-4g a day... which is waaaay to expensive for me. I did find that stacking it with hydergine seemed to make some sort of difference, but on the other hand, I tried taking 4-5 pills of the hydergine to test it's effects and it was a rather strange dizziness feeling in the head. Thus, I would conclude that hydergine does indeed have some effect on the human organism, which, according to the literature I've read regarding Pira, puts it towards the top of the potential list of functional cognitive supplements.

I'd love to hear any one else's opinions or experiences with desmopressin as a nootropic. If I had the money (it's about $25/bottle, about 20 nasal sprays per bottle), it would be the first thing I would order. Damned expensive, though.

 

[anthrax]

I have experienced good results (and still do) with a cheap "smart drug" which effects have been documented for centuries

1,3,7 - trimethylxanthine

 

[samoth]

I have experienced good results (and still do) with a cheap "smart drug" which effects have been documented for centuries

1,3,7 - trimethylxanthine

Trade name? Or do I need to look that up in ChemFinder?

Trimethylxanthine... I know this is something obvious like coffee or something, lol.

 

[samoth]

Crap, you have to sign up for ChemFinder now. You used to get five free searches.

 

[gjohnson5]

And as promised...
It is K time

 

[jnevin]

I've never used NO2, so I cannot comment. But I would say that the pumps are more intense, yes. I cannot say how well, if at all, it works for memory or as a nootropic.

Sorry. I just meant the pumps. This is interesting to me. Something I know nothing about.

 

[fortunatesun]

1,3,7 - trimethylxanthine

It's a trick question. 1,3,7-trimethylxanthine is an alternate name. The primary chemical name is

3,7-Dihydro-1,3,7-trimethyl-1H-Purine-2,6-dione

 

[anthrax]

1] There is a hooooooge market for products that enhance memory/sharpness/wathever brain related

2] Any supplement/drug who has even the slightest proven effect would trigger a hoooooge marketing campaign and a few articles in peer reviewd publications (for drugs)

3] There is neither marketing campaigns nor a lot of articles in NEJM or JAMA about nootropics even though they've been here for over 20 years

I'll let you conclude....

 

[samoth]

It's a trick question. 1,3,7-trimethylxanthine is an alternate name. The primary chemical name is

3,7-Dihydro-1,3,7-trimethyl-1H-Purine-2,6-dione

AHA! I knew it was coffee! I remember a thread from a year back or so discussing the same thing. Or maybe it was Orgo II, I don't recall.

Just watch out for oxygen dihydride poisining. I hear it's a really bad way to go.

 

[anthrax]

It's a trick question. 1,3,7-trimethylxanthine is an alternate name. The primary chemical name is

3,7-Dihydro-1,3,7-trimethyl-1H-Purine-2,6-dione

Very good Sir!

If caffeine was not so much present in common foods/drinks it would be a amazing drug and we've not even found all its benefits

There were a few studies about potential anti-carcinogen properties of coffee

 

[samoth]

There were a few studies about potential anti-carcinogen properties of coffee

Learn something new every day here...

 

[anthrax]

Learn something new every day here...

To answer your K question it is coffee
They actually don't know if the benefits come from caffeine, one of the other alkaloids present in coffe or some other chemicals

 

[MTS]

I always wanted to try desmopressin... but i tried a lot of nootropics and i only find them effective in combining them. Sometimes they are a little much for me.