immune system while on as

[anthony518]

I have had a little sinus cold off and on for the last 3 weeks, now sick as hell for three days. Will be better by monday, but loosing workouts. missed tris, shoulders,back and legs this week. Is that a big deal? Starting my 5th week on Monday of 500mg enan/400mg eq weekly for 15 weeks.

Anyway, do steroids lower your immune system? If so what can I do to fix it?

 

[fusedtizzy]

Anyway, do steroids lower your immune system? If so what can I do to fix it?

Wether you do AS or not, when you workout you subject your body to an incredible demand. As the body is focused on repair, immunity takes a back seat...so yes, you are more prone to infection when your body is in a weaker state. Make sure to get your nutrition in check (multi-vit, calories, water) and these problems will infrequently present themselves.

 

[big_boy_1]

I have had a little sinus cold off and on for the last 3 weeks, now sick as hell for three days. Will be better by monday, but loosing workouts. missed tris, shoulders,back and legs this week. Is that a big deal? Starting my 5th week on Monday of 500mg enan/400mg eq weekly for 15 weeks.

Anyway, do steroids lower your immune system? If so what can I do to fix it?

Its test-flu. It occurs with other steroids too.
Some steroids may lower your immune system A BIT, but its believed its also an allergic reaction, and also due to increased hematocrit count in blood.

Take some cold meds, ease training a bit. Some deca helps the immune system.

 

[tempest2003]

Its test-flu. It occurs with other steroids too.
Some steroids may lower your immune system A BIT, but its believed its also an allergic reaction, and also due to increased hematocrit count in blood.

Take some cold meds, ease training a bit. Some deca helps the immune system.

deca "helps" the immune system? do you have any evidence to support this? ive never heard this before, and have been on deca only and have been sick for the last week and a half prob. I dont know if this is true, i deff felt like the cold got the best of me, my body didnt feel like it was fighting the cold as it could sometimes if i was perfectly healthy.

 

[tin2]

deca "helps" the immune system? do you have any evidence to support this? ive never heard this before, and have been on deca only and have been sick for the last week and a half prob. I dont know if this is true, i deff felt like the cold got the best of me, my body didnt feel like it was fighting the cold as it could sometimes if i was perfectly healthy.

yo i second that deca helps ur immune system... I never get sick on deca.. theres articals on the net about it...

 

[ALIN]

I have had a little sinus cold off and on for the last 3 weeks, now sick as hell for three days. Will be better by monday, but loosing workouts. missed tris, shoulders,back and legs this week. Is that a big deal? Starting my 5th week on Monday of 500mg enan/400mg eq weekly for 15 weeks.

Anyway, do steroids lower your immune system? If so what can I do to fix it?

rest, eat and continue cycle...train again in few days when feeling better.

 

[Roc86]

Not even close to 100% but im think while on certain AAS (specifically strong androgens) your adrenal glands get bunged up .. hence weaker immune system. *someone set me straight here because this question has been bugging me as well

 

[jp000]

I have had a little sinus cold off and on for the last 3 weeks, now sick as hell for three days. Will be better by monday, but loosing workouts. missed tris, shoulders,back and legs this week. Is that a big deal? Starting my 5th week on Monday of 500mg enan/400mg eq weekly for 15 weeks.

Anyway, do steroids lower your immune system? If so what can I do to fix it?

Don't know the answer to your question but.....

2 grams of vitamin C always helps my immune system. 1 gram AM & 1 gram PM.

 

[TheRide]

This is one of the reports that I have read on Testosterone lowering the body's immune system:


http://www.nationalreviewofmedicine.com/issue/2004/12_15/clinical05_23.html


Testosterone emasculates the male immune system

By Eileen Dent


The battle of the sexes probably began when first two gender-specific creatures crawled out of the primordial sludge. Biologically, women have proven to outperform men in at least one aspect — they're immune systems are stronger. This difference has baffled scientists for some time but we're getting closer to uncovering the secret. In fact, testosterone — that distinctly manly hormone — may be the culprit holding back the male immune system, according to research published in the November 15 issue of the Journal of Immunology.
"What we are showing is that testosterone seems to impede immunity," said Dr Eugene Kwon, a urologist and immunology researcher at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN. "When testosterone is withdrawn, you get an increased host immune response indicated by the rising numbers of immune cells that are available to participate."

AXE ANDROGEN
Research has already noted that the immune system's B-cells multiply and lymph nodes swell upon androgen deprivation or upon removal of testosterone from the body. The researchers were also hoping to find the mechanism through which androgens like testosterone interact with the immune system. This study examined the effect of androgen deprivation on T-cell counts and efficacy.

Male mice were either surgically castrated or sham-castrated, where pericordal fat was removed instead of the testicles. T-cell expression was measured under several conditions including antigen stimulation, chemotherapy, thymus glands removal and in cell culture.

Androgen deprivation caused the T-cells to multiply and become more reactive to antigenic stimulation, confirming that testosterone affects T-cell numbers and function. However, adding testosterone back into androgen deprived T-cell cultures didn't decrease the number of T-cells or change the cells' characteristics. This means that testosterone isn't directly interacting with the immune cells to hinder their growth.

THE USUAL SUSPECTS
But when testosterone is away, other hormones may play. Since testosterone suppresses the production of prolactin, luteinizing hormone, estradiol and other hormones, an increase in one of these could be causing the enhanced immune response. More research is needed to establish a cause-and-effect relationship between the presence of various sex hormones and the potency of the immune response.

Once that relationship is found it could lead to a new way for doctors to hasten the recovery of the immune system after immunosuppression resulting from chemotherapy, burn injuries and blood loss. As the authors wrote, "These studies may have implications for enhancing immune responses to immunotherapy, for improving immune system recovery following chemotherapy, and for establishing a mechanistic basis whereby gonadal steroid hormones modulate autoimmunity."

 

[monster2929]

glutamine

 

[anthony518]

rest, eat and continue cycle...train again in few days when feeling better.

Thats what i did. Took some antibodics, cold meds, and took 4 days of work and training. Will start back up on Monday when i start week 5. That should be the best week to be well rested. I usually see results starting around week 5. I usually get sick like this everytime I use test, but it is usually not for another week os so. It seems like in this cycle I am getting these sides a little quicker. Maybe because of the higher dosage.

The cold is completely gone now. And I am hoping to really explode on Monday. I have felt only 80% this whole cycle so far. I really need to get my immune system in check.

 

[Bulldog_10]

Thats what i did. Took some antibodics, cold meds, and took 4 days of work and training. Will start back up on Monday when i start week 5. That should be the best week to be well rested. I usually see results starting around week 5. I usually get sick like this everytime I use test, but it is usually not for another week os so. It seems like in this cycle I am getting these sides a little quicker. Maybe because of the higher dosage.

The cold is completely gone now. And I am hoping to really explode on Monday. I have felt only 80% this whole cycle so far. I really need to get my immune system in check.

Hey bro...don't sweat it too much. Just listen to what your body is telling you. Maybe it's not the best idea to go all out on Monday...ease back into it. If you feel good, then go for it...but always listen to your body, it will tell you exactly what you should and shouldn't be doing.

 

[Sassy69]

Do you guys take any anti-oxidants when you are cycling? Between the overload of test, the high protein diets, etc. there can be a back log of crap / free radicals that aren't getting shuttled out of your body. WHenever I run a competition diet for 4 months +, I do a 1-2 week detox diet (basically alot of juicing, very low protein, high fruit intake) to just clean all the shit out.

 

[Bulldog_10]

You make a damn good point Sassy. Although living the BB lifestyle is healthier than most other people's lifestyles, some aspects are not as healthy. Diet can easily be one of them if you're not on point. Antioxidants are definitely a good addition to the repertoire.

 

[Sassy69]

On one hand you are loadign up chemicals in your body that promote fat loss & muscle growth. Then you are following a restricted diet w/ heavy protein, no fruit & very restricted variety of food. So you are 1) introducing these chemicals that obviously affect your body and w/ all the discussion about how hard especially certain AAS make your liver work (thus the liver detox stuff, the cranberry extract, the milk thistle) you have to expect that there's some by product left over somewhere in your system. And w/ the normal variety of food in your diet removed, things that the body relies on like the enzymes in fruits to shuttle out the free radicals, etc. there's got to be a lot of shit floating around in there.

Here's the evidence for that in general - when I first ran a detox diet, the nutritionist that I was workign w/ said to expect to maybe get headaches or feel sick for a few days while all the shit was getting first released and then cleared out. Cycling + dieting / training is like a double whammy of stuff that is floating around. So it follows that you might encounter some sickness while your body has stuff floating around in it, and also you can't continue to constantly be hitting your body w/ the same type of diet w/o considering giving it a good clean out - same concept as a good colon clease but a little more natural / less harsh.

 

[bootneck]

eating rare garlic boosts your immune system too, glutamine is good, amino acid tabs

 

[Ulter]

If you're using anti-oxidants, and you should be, you should also be taking Glucorell R. It continuously recharges the other anti-oxidants to give them a longer life in the body. This is particularly important for vit C that is normally in and out so quickly.

 

[tempest2003]

On one hand you are loadign up chemicals in your body that promote fat loss & muscle growth. Then you are following a restricted diet w/ heavy protein, no fruit & very restricted variety of food. So you are 1) introducing these chemicals that obviously affect your body and w/ all the discussion about how hard especially certain AAS make your liver work (thus the liver detox stuff, the cranberry extract, the milk thistle) you have to expect that there's some by product left over somewhere in your system. And w/ the normal variety of food in your diet removed, things that the body relies on like the enzymes in fruits to shuttle out the free radicals, etc. there's got to be a lot of shit floating around in there.

Here's the evidence for that in general - when I first ran a detox diet, the nutritionist that I was workign w/ said to expect to maybe get headaches or feel sick for a few days while all the shit was getting first released and then cleared out. Cycling + dieting / training is like a double whammy of stuff that is floating around. So it follows that you might encounter some sickness while your body has stuff floating around in it, and also you can't continue to constantly be hitting your body w/ the same type of diet w/o considering giving it a good clean out - same concept as a good colon clease but a little more natural / less harsh.

so does that mean we should be using some colon blow also? you know they have enema bombs? ahhaha i just saw these, stick it up your butt light and poof your clean! no but serriously, i try and keep a balanced diet, fruit, veggies, whatever i dont care, i just make sure I eat a lot, and that what I do eat is good whole, healthy food, celery, apples, oranges, potatoes, banannas, whole wheat breads, elk steaks, I buy whole 10+ lb turkeys at a time, protein shakes, grapes, rasins, peanutbutter, fish, and seafood. Stick to as natural of food as possible and youll be fine has always been my concept, america is too full of shitty foods, salts and fats, just be sure you eat real food, that grows!

 

[nybb10001]

Some steroids do lower the immune system. Some have no impact. Deca does improve the immune system. Deca has been shown to increase bone density and bone marrow production. Your lymphocytes (T-cells, etc...) are produced in the bones...so it makes sense that Deca can improve the immune system.

Did you get test flu? Well, maybe....but then again maybe you just happened to get sick.