im losing weight but.........

[future]

Yes it is. Carbs are not evil...just misunderstood.

Off to eat some cereal now.

And as far as gear goes, maybe var for protein synthesis during this time but thats it. Unless you are using liberal amounts of t3 etc I dont think gear is needed. Clen in high amounts builds muscle but most cant take the sides...and we are talking 400-700 mcg a day.

Diet and cardio matter most. If that is dont right you lose muscle as well and dont get the look you hoped for.

 

[joe d]

low dose cruize through the whole thing with injectables untill about 3 wks out. at that point go on the var with no more injects. why cut natty if you are not natty? use the stuff. you can eat less food, do more cardio, and keep more muscle. that doesnt sound like a waste to me.

 

[littleb]

low dose cruize through the whole thing with injectables untill about 3 wks out. at that point go on the var with no more injects. why cut natty if you are not natty? use the stuff. you can eat less food, do more cardio, and keep more muscle. that doesnt sound like a waste to me.

i disagree with above statement, unless you compete then yea you kinda have too, to stay competitive...but if you dont you SHOULD NOT look to drugs to solve your every problem.. if he already lost 12 lbs natty why the hell should he use juice?? you read his goals 5'11 wants to be at 200lbs and stay there, which is a good healthy weight for the height..
why cut natty? because even though its harder its better for you, i am 1000000% pro steroids but done right... these guys dying at 35 yes i feel bad but they did it to themselves.....so how bad can you feel? it the guys that stay on make escuses dont take the time off,, gain a few lbs so figure " better go on a cutter" that fuck it up for everybody........
if you cant handle you own body natty you have no right to touch roids... they are an aid not a fix all.. you better be able to do most of the work dont count on a drug to bail you out like some helpless lil bitch... too fat,, too skinny,,, work on it.. in orig. posters case he is and doing great... wait till you get where you want natty then expand on it trust me be better off..
i dont flame much at all been here for a few yrs, but thats not good advice, and i am flamming and not in the fag way either... i said my piece..........

 

[joe d]

i disagree with above statement, unless you compete then yea you kinda have too, to stay competitive...but if you dont you SHOULD NOT look to drugs to solve your every problem.. if he already lost 12 lbs natty why the hell should he use juice?? you read his goals 5'11 wants to be at 200lbs and stay there, which is a good healthy weight for the height..
why cut natty? because even though its harder its better for you, i am 1000000% pro steroids but done right... these guys dying at 35 yes i feel bad but they did it to themselves.....so how bad can you feel? it the guys that stay on make escuses dont take the time off,, gain a few lbs so figure " better go on a cutter" that fuck it up for everybody........
if you cant handle you own body natty you have no right to touch roids... they are an aid not a fix all.. you better be able to do most of the work dont count on a drug to bail you out like some helpless lil bitch... too fat,, too skinny,,, work on it.. in orig. posters case he is and doing great... wait till you get where you want natty then expand on it trust me be better off..
i dont flame much at all been here for a few yrs, but thats not good advice, and i am flamming and not in the fag way either... i said my piece..........

no prob we disagree. keep in mind though that i said low dose cruie. i could also add why not go all natty right? 200lbs at his height should be achievable natty. i dont see why most use gear at all really but...
if your not a freak in stregnth or size then why take any risk at all.

you are suggesting it is ok to take a 50% chance but not a 60% chance. its just 1 step further to get far better results for comp. if you want to win then either go all natty to a tested show or use the tools. and if your not trying to win then why even go.

my advice isnt wrong. its an opinion just like yours is an opinion. other than saying my post is bad advice no problems. speak against anything you want. your entitled.

 

[strictly poontang]

Wouldn't it not be a bad idea to take just a small dose of test e to aid in muscle wasting while cutting up. 200mg weekly or so?
Also, not meaning to hijack the thread, but how long does the body have to utilize carbs for efficient use? I'm running a calorie def diet and have kept my carbs in pretty good check, but from time to time, get a little run down. Lost 20 lbs so far in past 2 1/2 months or so. Don't track body fat, but have dropped 2 pant sizes in past 4 months and mirror looks better. How far from working out should carb intake be consumed?

 

[sonicwaste]

This is kind of the way I see it... When I got back into AAS at the beginning of this year, I was trying to devise I plan. I talked to Omega who at the time brought up a good point... Which was: "why waste your first cycle in 6-7 years on strict cutting?" He made me think and he was right. Why waste my freshness and not try to increase my LBM. I knew I was the point where natural dieting could get me to a point where I could lose enough bodyfat to get in range and then focus on hitting a cycle that could yield me LBM + a few points drop in bodyfat. I'm glad I made that decision. I was able to diet down naturally to 15% pretty fast, then I hit a cycle and put on 12lbs or so of LBM while dropping down to 12%.

Then I severely misjudged my timeline. My body wasn't responding as it did 7 years ago, from a cutting standpoint. Things were just taking longer.

So, there is my reasoning for dieting down naturally first, then hitting a cycle...

In here are some other thoughts:

Nothing wrong with crusing and blasting through a cut... Because of my timeline misjudgment, I've had to go this route. I couldn't afford time-wise to lose time in between AAS runs. So I've been on now for almost 5 months I think. Crusing at points and blasting at others. It most definitely allows me to move forward without fear. I'm not time based in the sense I am going to compete, I am time bases in the sense I have a finite amount of time where I have to devote to achieving my goals before I have to go back on the road or find something else to do... So I am taking advantage of the little time I have left to achieve my goal in one swoop. If that makes sense... It's just allowed me not to lose time going in and out of PCT.I don't suggest it as a matter or everyone should do it, I do it because it fits my needs.

 

[sonicwaste]

Wouldn't it not be a bad idea to take just a small dose of test e to aid in muscle wasting while cutting up. 200mg weekly or so?
Also, not meaning to hijack the thread, but how long does the body have to utilize carbs for efficient use? I'm running a calorie def diet and have kept my carbs in pretty good check, but from time to time, get a little run down. Lost 20 lbs so far in past 2 1/2 months or so. Don't track body fat, but have dropped 2 pant sizes in past 4 months and mirror looks better. How far from working out should carb intake be consumed?

best times for simple carbs are 20-30 minutes before, during, and right after within 10-20 minutes.

 

[micksnowdog]

i'm in the same boat, i have overdosed my cutting cycle by a fair bit, it was originally:
test prop 150 eod
masteron prop 150eod
var 50 ed
8 weeks.

well i'm 12 weeks in now and i keep hitting stalling points, even did a lil dnp for 10days. fucking torturous shit that.

either way i gained muscle like fuck and lost a lot of fat, i have a great 4 pack now but dont seem to be getting any further and i really dont wanna come off gear.

 

[joe d]

i'm in the same boat, i have overdosed my cutting cycle by a fair bit, it was originally:
test prop 150 eod
masteron prop 150eod
var 50 ed
8 weeks.

well i'm 12 weeks in now and i keep hitting stalling points, even did a lil dnp for 10days. fucking torturous shit that.

either way i gained muscle like fuck and lost a lot of fat, i have a great 4 pack now but dont seem to be getting any further and i really dont wanna come off gear.

well thats no good yo must not be dieting enough or implimenting the cardio right. beind addicted to the gear is dangerous also. the dnp talk... well that will get you banned from ef. you may want to remove that.

but any way dropping down to just the var would be a good way to finish the cutting for a few weeks before the show. however in your situation you need to get off the gear.

 

[littleb]

no prob we disagree. keep in mind though that i said low dose cruie. i could also add why not go all natty right? 200lbs at his height should be achievable natty. i dont see why most use gear at all really but...
if your not a freak in stregnth or size then why take any risk at all.

you are suggesting it is ok to take a 50% chance but not a 60% chance. its just 1 step further to get far better results for comp. if you want to win then either go all natty to a tested show or use the tools. and if your not trying to win then why even go.

my advice isnt wrong. its an opinion just like yours is an opinion. other than saying my post is bad advice no problems. speak against anything you want. your entitled.

bro i didnt mean to come off harsh i just get a lil heated at times its just if you stick around long enough on here and other boards you see wayyyy too many bros that count on roids to do it all.. which is no good for your body... its so much better to get as close as you can natty then and only then hit the juice to give you what nature can not...
too many young bros at 28%bf jump on a cycle and yes they lose bf and add lbm but come on at 28% diet is terrible bloodwork probably all jacked up b4 cycle and shows lack of effort or will power.. then they get on that routine that they can do whatever and just do a cycle and be fine.... turns my stomach.... these are the dirtbags that give us all a bad name....