Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below
napsgear
genezapharmateuticals
domestic-supply
puritysourcelabs
UGL OZ
UGFREAK
napsgeargenezapharmateuticals domestic-supplypuritysourcelabsUGL OZUGFREAK

IGF-1 experiences?

needsize

Elite Mentor
Platinum
I am definitely looking to give it a try on my next cycle, so am looking for personal experiences with it. I know some guys have used the long acting IGF, but I can only get the regular stuff here.
So what were your gains like, how did you use it(my buddy is using it 2x daily, into the body part he in injecting)...
bottom line is I dont know a huge amount about this stuff, but am hearing really good things....and I am not growing from juice anymore, no matter what kind of doses I use...
 
goingon4t or whatever can help you out bro

regular IGF is a waste bro get lr3 it from a research website you can find some for CHEAP
 
holy ghost said:
goingon4t or whatever can help you out bro

regular IGF is a waste bro get lr3 it from a research website you can find some for CHEAP

Corretamundo!!!
Don't waste your money on regular IGF!
You need the IGF-1 LR-3. If you can't get it than don't waste your money. Seriously, the regular IGF is not the same thing and will actually have some negative sides because you will want to up the dose or try to shoot to often. I haven't tried my guy to see if he is still around as I am in the middle of test. prop. and what to see the full cycle clean. Well except for the GH.
No that I think about it, when I was researching it the straight IGF is almost impossible to get. So I think, am not sure, your source is not clear on what they have. Either way IGF is kinda like GH in the handling. If you get powdered in the small 100mcg vials you are far better off than the 1000mcg preconstituted ones. If you have any more questions. I will be around.
 
needsize said:
I am definitely looking to give it a try on my next cycle, so am looking for personal experiences with it. I know some guys have used the long acting IGF, but I can only get the regular stuff here.
So what were your gains like, how did you use it(my buddy is using it 2x daily, into the body part he in injecting)...
bottom line is I dont know a huge amount about this stuff, but am hearing really good things....and I am not growing from juice anymore, no matter what kind of doses I use...

Your gains will be nothing like the long acting stuff. What do you mean my here? Don't you know about NAFTA and free trade? JK
Gains were great, no I take that back, sick. Muscle growing ontop of muscle. I don't know the protocall your body is using, might be he does not have the LR-3. With the LR-3 it was in last muscle group worked out start out with 25-30mcg's per side (left bi/right bi). I had to move my work out around so that Tri's, bi's and delts were last. With the long acting you really only need it 3x per week. But IMMEDIATELY PWO! Than take some Vitagro 15 min later your shit will blow up. And the cool thing is it doesn't just go away. In fact that is why I started with the prop. I wanted to get some nasty thickness going then after hit the IGF. The only downside I noticed was I did not have the strength gain to go with the muscle size! You don't bloat up either. It was great stuff.
 
And its not illegal to possess. YET!
 
wow bro, thats what I was hoping to hear! I stopped growing from gear a few years ago, for the last 2 years I have done insane cycles, along with 7+ meals a day, and dont think I have gained more than a pound or two. So this is sort of my last kick at the can to add more size.
This is a cut and paste from one of my sources lists

IGF – LYPHOLIZED POWDER
one vial, 1 mg/ vial- comes with acetic acid to mix with

I have another one I can get it from, would have to double check the brand name. I am in canada, so I'm not sure if I can get ahold of any legit LR-3 around here, so thats why I was asking about the other kind
 
needsize said:
wow bro, thats what I was hoping to hear! I stopped growing from gear a few years ago, for the last 2 years I have done insane cycles, along with 7+ meals a day, and dont think I have gained more than a pound or two. So this is sort of my last kick at the can to add more size.
This is a cut and paste from one of my sources lists

IGF – LYPHOLIZED POWDER
one vial, 1 mg/ vial- comes with acetic acid to mix with


I have another one I can get it from, would have to double check the brand name. I am in canada, so I'm not sure if I can get ahold of any legit LR-3 around here, so thats why I was asking about the other kind

yup,

that works fine... you want to shoot it post workout into the muscle worked, its good during pct because it keeps you realtivly lean and increasing your hunger...

Needsize IGF as a stand alone wont do much imo at your size 60 (low) -120mcg would be the standard dose...

My advise would be to run a basic peptide cycle... (slin is optinal) bare with me as write this down from memory...
 
You will certainly want to tweak this for your particular application, but this should at least get you headed in the right direction.

THE CYCLE

Weeks 1 and week 20-30 – HGH – On 5/ off 2
Weeks 1-5, 11-15, 21-25
• 2 – 3 IU’s - first thing in the morning on workout days – early afternoon on non-workout days
Weeks 6-10, 16-20, 26-30
• 2 – 3 IU’s first thing in the morning
• 2 – 3 IU’s 1-2 p.m. or pre-workout (or IM post-workout with your insulin if preferred)


Weeks 1-5, 11-15, (21-25) – IGF-1 – Every day
80 – 100 mcg’s intramuscular
• post work out on workout days
• first thing in the morning on non-workout days

Slin you want to do 4 on.. break for about 4-6 weeks then 4 on again.
Weeks 6-10, 16-20, (26-30) – Humalog – Workout days only
• 8 – 12 IU’s immediately post workout, intramuscular

IMPORTANT / CRITICAL - Post Insulin Nutrient Routine
Immediately after Humalog injection – do the following in exacting fashion -
• Injection + 5 minutes – drink shake with 10g glutamine / 10g creatine / 7 grams of dextrose per IU of Insulin. (If you don’t wish to split the shakes, add the whey isolate described as well here for a single shake).
• Injection + 15 minutes – drink shake with 65g of whey isolate protein in water (skip if taken with above)
• Injection + 75 minutes – eat a protein / carb meal with 40-50g of protein, 40-50g of carbs, NO FATS (you may wish to add another 30g or so whey isolate protein drink with this meal if you have tore down sufficient muscle groups to utilize this without it being stored as fat)
(i.e. – two boneless, skinless chicken breasts baked or grilled, a serving of brown rice, sweet potatoes, or pasta, with green beans)
Avoid fats for 2-3 hours for Humalog IM, 3-4 hours for Humalog subQ, 4-5 hours for Humulin-R.
keep some glucose tablets or other simple carbs on hand (Orange Juice, Full sugar Coke, etc.) for the active window of your insulin. Hypo symptoms can and will hit hard and fast and you will have little time to react. This is the main danger of insulin use. . Lack of attention to detail in this area can end in a nice ambulance ride, a visit to the hospital or even a one-way trip to the morgue. Be ready and act smart. The price of stupidity is really, really high.

OPTIONAL Addition to above cycle

Weeks 1- (20-30) T3 or T4 - Every Day
one of the following –
• 12.5 mcgs - 25 mcgs T3 taken once each day
-or –
• 100 mcgs T4 taken once each day

[alternative method if additional fat loss is necessary - Only use if sufficient anabolic androgenic steroids cycle is present to protect and support lean tissue and use only during the weeks of LR3 injections to avoid any potential negative impact to our IGF levels by increased IGF binding proteins. The 13 amino acid side chain of LR3 IGF-1 has specifically been engineered to resist being impressed by or bound to IGFBP’s, so any increase in the below ramp up/down will not kill your IGF levels. A reasonable dose AAS component of the cycle will further protect lean tissue from being used for fuel. In absence of these above-mentioned components, you won’t want to run your T3 above 50mcgs per day. It will begin to elevate IGFBP’s and will dismantle and burn through hard-earned muscle proteins quicker than you could imagine.]

Weeks 1-5, 11-15, (21-25) T3 Every Day
For each of the 5 week runs of T3:
Days 1-3 25 mcgs
Days 4-6 50 mcgs
Days 7-9 75 mcgs
Days 10 - 20 100 mcgs
Days 21 - 24 75 mcgs
Days 25 - 27 50 mcgs
Days 28 - 30 25 mcgs
Days 31 - 35 12.5 mcgs

DESCRIPTION OF THE ELEMENTS OF THIS CYCLE


IGF-1
When HGH makes it pass through the liver, a release of IGF-1 is a result. IGF-1 appears to be a key player in muscle growth. It stimulates both the differentiation and proliferation of myoblasts. It also stimulates amino acid uptake and protein synthesis in muscle and other tissues. While HGH will cause an increase in your IGF-1 level over the course of a few months, HGH has a cumulative effect, so our addition of IGF-1 will greatly speed up the time to results.

There are two types of IGF-1 that will typically be used by bodybuilders. One is bio-identical huIGF-1, a 70 amino acid string. The other is Long R3 IGF-1, which is an 83 amino acid analog of human IGF-I comprising the complete human IGF-I sequence with the substitution of an Arg for the Glu at position 3 (hence R3), and a 13 amino acid extension peptide at the N-terminus (hence the long). This 13 amino acid "side chain" helps prevent the IGF-1 from being so easily bound by binding proteins, and thus increases its active window exponentially. Which of these you use depends on your goal.

HuIGF-1 is very short lived in the body (probable half life of approximately 10 minutes). This type of IGF-1 is very useful if you are seeking local site growth. Since it is so short lived, little if any of the IGF-1 makes it to other tissues and IGF-1 receptors in other parts of the body. The way to inject this is immediately post work out into the muscle that you wish to have local site growth. Use a U100 insulin syringe, and inject 100 - 300 mcg’s (in some cases more) bilaterally into the desired muscle immediately post workout. For this type of IGF-1, I would use it workout days only.

For Long R3 IGF-1, it isn’t as critical that you inject into a local site as long R3 has a active window of many hours (if not days), and is designed specifically to resist being bound by IGF binding proteins.

Since it is common to reconstitute this type of IGF-1 with Benzyl Alcohol, Acetic Acid, or Hydrochloric Acid, I would still recommend that you inject intra-muscular. While for some purposes of nerve regrowth and other medical recovery purposes subQ is a somewhat superior injection method, it can and probably will leave a nice red irritated spot for a couple of weeks if you inject subQ, and it is not superior for our purposes of muscle growth anyway.

I still inject into a muscle just worked to take advantage of increased IGF-1 receptors present as a result of tearing down muscles with my workout, but because of the long activity window of this type of IGF-1 any muscle will work well and give you good results. I would suggest that you inject between 80 – 120 mcg’s per day everyday immediately post workout on workout days, and first thing in the morning on non-workout days.

The added bonus of using LR3 in our cycle is that fat loss will be accomplished while still eating a great number of clean calories per day. You will visibly see yourself leaning out from a couple of weeks in on while using LR3 at doses suggested here.

Use a U-100 insulin syringe with 1/2" needle to inject IGF-1 intramuscular (bilaterally for HuIGF-1, bilaterally optional for Long R3)

Insulin

Insulin is very good at shuttling nutrients to the muscles, and works in a very complimentary manner with GH in the types of things that they shuttle. Also, HGH can cause an amount of insulin resistance, so adding some insulin to your cycle will go a long ways toward reducing the elevated blood glucose levels caused by HGH's action of interfering with the liver's ability to uptake glucose, and thus help offset any potential resistance that might occur during your HGH cycle. Also by taking our HGH near the time of our insulin injection (immediately post workout) we are ensuring a great influx of growth factors after action on the liver. HGH + insulin passed through the liver = BIG secretion of growth factors. These growth factors will equate to muscle growth, rapid healing, etc.

For the purposes that we are using insulin, a dosage of 6-12IU’s is adequate and should be used immediately post workout. I personally prefer using Humalog intramuscular as it will cause a rapid spike and clear out of your system quickly. You can use it subQ or use Humulin-R instead, but each of these will result in a longer active window, thus a longer time to avoid eating any fats and watching your carb intake. Any fats or over abundance of carbs will end up being stored as fat during insulin's active window. The approximate windows are:
Humalog - IM - 2-3 hours
Sub-q - 3-4 hours
Humulin -R - IM - 3-4 hours
Sub-q 4-5 hours

Use a U-100 insulin syringe with 1/2" needle to inject IM immediately post workout. Alternatively, you can inject subQ if desired or if you wish a longer active window for some reason. Begin with a dose of 4IU's or so, and increase the dose each workout day until you reach your desired 8-12IU's.

If for some reason you wish to avoid insulin, I would still suggest that immediately post workout you spike you own endogenous insulin by drinking 80 grams of dextrose / 40 grams of whey isolate protein. While this certainly won't do the work of 8-12 IU's of Humalog, it will most certainly assist getting your muscle back in a nitrogen positive environment in a short amount of time.




Also another consideration if cycling in higher doses, cycle your T3 in conjunction with your LR3 IGF-1 use. The thought behind this is that LR3 binds poorly to IGFBP's, so you will be able to use an elevated dose of T3 (which will likely increase IGFBP's) and still keep elevated IGF-1 levels. I would suggest that use of T3 above 25mcg's or T4 at doses above 100mcgs or so would not be advisable for too many 5 weeks segments of your complete cycle. As one of the major "anabolic" benefits of HGH use is elevated IGF-1 levels, we don't want to create an environment of radically increased IGF binding proteins. Abuse of T3 or T4 will go a long way in creating that environment hostile to IGF-1.
 
Top Bottom