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If You've Seen "Platoon"...

Hamburger Hill is much better

something about c.sheen, just can't take him seriously
 
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HumanTarget said:
holy man? holier than thou........
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Something like that. I read somewhere that there were some religious reference thrown in that film. Recall that Elias died in a Jesus Christ pose near the end of the film.
 
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Thanks. I haven't gotten a chance to sit down and watch Hamburger Hill, but it's on the list. There were a lot of religious references in Platoon. It was based off of Oliver Stone's experience in Vietnam and the people he served with.
 
Gambino, I know what you mean about taking Charlie Sheen serious as an actor, but I he did a good job playing a doped up soldier. His most recent crap [Spin City, and that other dumb one on tv] is just plain awful.
 
i'd say jesus as well. i recall his dying pose as well, down on his knees and with his hands up to the sky, looking up, beseeching, why have you forsaken me father, etc...

we compared this and apocalypse now for my favourite class in college ("Vietnam war in literature").

i think platoon sucks as a movie. i think apocalypse now is "genius", and one of the best films ever made.
 
NB: Unfortunatly I saw both of those before Platoon. I did enjoy Men at Work though.

JA: Apocalypse Now was good. It was semi-spoiled for me though, b/c my mom's cousin's husband [technically my cousin by marraige but he's a douche bag] loves that movie, and told me when I enlisted "I went to college to avoid having to go into military <chuckle, chuckle>". Vietnam war in literature sounds like a hell of a class.
 
Rex said:
Vietnam war in literature sounds like a hell of a class.
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it was, bro. i was a computer science major, and so the rest of my courses were...dull. i chose the wrong major. but this literature class...i always showed up and participated like a good boy.

there are some good authors that i first learned about in that class, like tim o'brien for example. if you like reading on the subject (fiction), then look at some of his work, if you haven't already. Start with a book called "The Things They Carried."

but i think you may already know of it.
 
Gambino said:
Hamburger Hill is much better

something about c.sheen, just can't take him seriously
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I agree
another great one was 84 Charlie Mopic
hard to find:

The film starts out with an introduction to the characters, who are pretty standard for this kind of a film. You have the tough lieutenant, the Southerner, the rebel...etc. The group treks across quite a bit of the "bush" scoping out enemy movements, building booby traps, joking and camping. When they finally do find "Charlie", they send a message for a bombing run and watch as the bombs drop on the unsuspecting enemy. About this time is when things start to heat up for the platoon.

Soon, the group is in enemy territory, and there are quite a few highly nerve-racking scenes where the platoon hides as we can see VC's close by via the camera. Scenes like this is where the film succeeds in creating an exciting and nerve-jangling experience. There are scenes where the platoon engages in firefights with the enemy where you barely see the enemy through the heavy jungle and trees surrounding the lens, which creates a sense of genuine ambience and ambiguity as to where the enemy is and when or if they are going to attack. The movie is shot very effectively, and the camera work in the end adds multitudes to the story and mood of the film.

The film also provides a unique view of the mindset of the American soldiers in the 'Nam by talking candidly with all the characters. There are quite a few jokes and some insightful social commentary from the soldiers in the platoon, and you almost begin to feel like you know these guys. Also worth noting is that the cast here is all but unknown, making the film even more impressive.

Overall, 84 CHARLIE MOPIC is an excellent approach to the war in Vietnam that is different from every other war film ever made. I would highly urge anyone who thinks they've seen it all when it comes to war movies to try to hunt this one down, as it is a top-notch film with an great cast of unknown actors.
 
PATTON best war movie ever and one of the best movies ever.

After I saw that movie I put a flag up in the front yard and killed that German guy that lived next door.
 
jackangel said:
it was, bro. i was a computer science major, and so the rest of my courses were...dull. i chose the wrong major. but this literature class...i always showed up and participated like a good boy.

there are some good authors that i first learned about in that class, like tim o'brien for example. if you like reading on the subject (fiction), then look at some of his work, if you haven't already. Start with a book called "The Things They Carried."

but i think you may already know of it.
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I haven't read any of Tim O'Brien's work, but am interested in the time period. I've read a few books that were more biographical of the war, but enjoy fiction as well. The Walking Dead, Green Knight Red Mourning, Marine Sniper, and Fortunate Son.

I'll check out The Things They Carried.
 
jackangel said:
it was, bro. i was a computer science major, and so the rest of my courses were...dull. i chose the wrong major. but this literature class...i always showed up and participated like a good boy.

there are some good authors that i first learned about in that class, like tim o'brien for example. if you like reading on the subject (fiction), then look at some of his work, if you haven't already. Start with a book called "The Things They Carried."

but i think you may already know of it.
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When I taught high school English Literature I showed "84 Charlie MoPic" to students as a visual complement to the novel "The Things They Carried" by Tim O'Brien. The film works great with the novel because there are things/ideas that you can identify in the film that are discussed in the book (e.g., some of the superstitions of soldiers).

When I first saw MoPic I had tuned into a PBS airing after it had already started and believed it was actual footage for most of the film. I would try to replicate the feeling (and in a way pay homage to the film maker's efforts at versimilitude) by starting the film with the number countdown and deflecting their questions about "is this real?" until our subsequent discussion.

I highly recommend both "84 Charlie MoPic" and "The Things They Carried" individually and paired together.
form an amazon review
 
chyllaxyn said:
PATTON best war movie ever and one of the best movies ever.

After I saw that movie I put a flag up in the front yard and killed that German guy that lived next door.
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some like patton, i dont like it much for some reason, maybe bc it was too long.
 
chyllaxyn said:
PATTON best war movie ever and one of the best movies ever.

After I saw that movie I put a flag up in the front yard and killed that German guy that lived next door.
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Patton blows
check out "When Trumpets Fade"
Huertgen Forest november '44
bloody battles the month prior to the bulge battles
 
i would watch it, 4ever, if i can get my hands on it. netflix, unfortunately, doesn't seem to have it.

maybe it can be found on the net, perhaps using bittorrent.
 
lets table these warflicks discussions
there's some gridiron action going on
Patton sucks though bad
 
4everhung said:
Patton blows
check out "When Trumpets Fade"
Huertgen Forest november '44
bloody battles the month prior to the bulge battles
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same guy who directed hamburger hill i believe....i thought it was ok.

platoon is an awesome movie....I think Willem Dafoe is a great actor
 
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I was gonna say no way, but I was thinking Heartbreak Ridge instead of Hamburger Hill. lol Hamburger Hill is pretty good.



Gambino said:
Hamburger Hill is much better

something about c.sheen, just can't take him seriously
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Y_Lifter said:
Patton is a classic...

You haters need to learn what Emotional Acting and Dialog is in a movie..
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actually I was off-kilter that day,Patton is a fine flick
it's "Battle of the bulge" I was thinkin' of
absolutely awful
historical inaccuracies
totally incorrect terrain
new movie due to come out which will cover the battle
and looks good
http://www.saintsandsoldiers.com/
low budget,but doesn't look it
kraut kit looks cool
 
Watched Windtalkers last night..

Not the best war flick but a good movie non the less. Typical Woo movie with the blood and gratuitus violence.

The dude playing the Navaho was awesome, and Nick Cage was simply Nick Cage.
 
Y_Lifter said:
Watched Windtalkers last night..

Not the best war flick but a good movie non the less. Typical Woo movie with the blood and gratuitus violence.

The dude playing the Navaho was awesome, and Nick Cage was simply Nick Cage.
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i got that movie for xmas a year or 2 ago....i thought it was just horrible
 
split endz said:
That HBO series on WWII was good. Think it was called "Band of Brothers" ?
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It was Band of Brothers. Great series. I met Gaurnere when I was working in South Philly. He was cool to talk to.
 
We Were Soliders was better then I thought it would be.
Platoon kicked ass.

The Green Berets sucked ass.
 
4everhung said:
actually I was off-kilter that day,Patton is a fine flick
it's "Battle of the bulge" I was thinkin' of
absolutely awful
historical inaccuracies
totally incorrect terrain
new movie due to come out which will cover the battle
and looks good
http://www.saintsandsoldiers.com/
low budget,but doesn't look it
kraut kit looks cool
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LOL ok , that's better. I was trying to find your home address, thought we may need to have a talk, j/k =)
Patton is near and dear, my grandfather served with him.
George C Scott did Patton so well even though it was not as bloody as say Saving Private Ryan I feel it captured the man (Patton) and the patriotic sentiment that America used to have.

And Patton really did do allot of the things you see in the movie. Including the opening where he is standing in the middle of the street being strafed by German aircraft while shooting at them with his pistol.
 
It refers to how he is viewed by not only his superiors but his peers. Highly respected and his word is always taken at face value.

He played the role well.
 
"We want to get the hell over there. The quicker we clean up this Goddamned mess, the quicker we can take a little jaunt against the purple pissing Japs and clean out their nest, too. Before the Goddamned Marines get all of the credit."

- General George S. Patton, Jr




"Just drive down that road, until you get blown up"
- General George Patton
 
Y_Lifter said:
"We want to get the hell over there. The quicker we clean up this Goddamned mess, the quicker we can take a little jaunt against the purple pissing Japs and clean out their nest, too. Before the Goddamned Marines get all of the credit."

- General George S. Patton, Jr
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LOL, yea he was a son of a bitch.
There are some better war movies, Tora, Tora, Tora for example.
But I don't think there was a better acted Historical war movie.

my fav quote has to be
"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
- Attributed to General George Patton Jr

Fighting for that bastard may have been tough, but I'd much rather have fought with him than against him

Oh and let's not forget Full Metal Jacket NumbNuts !!!

http://www.epinions.com/content_3377045636
 
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I enjoyed FMJ, but after going to bootcamp [Marines] if I watch it I'll notice discrepancies [sp?] that I didn't before I was a marine. Minute details such as sloppy drill movements. It's a fun movie to watch if I take my military mindset out of the equation. The second half of the movie wasn't great, and some say it sucked, but it had some funny lines.
 
Rex said:
4everhung, I just bought 84 C Mopic off of Ebay.
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been years since I've seen it
you won't be disppointed
filming style pre-dated the Private Ryan,Band of Brothers style
in which the POV of the camera places you "there" and the view "jerks" around and scenes get "hazy"
the premise of the film is that an Army guy is sent along with an elite recon unit to film thier mission to use as a training tape
the film is thus shot from the POV of the Army dude
as mentioned in a couple of the reviews it's done so realistic a couple of the commentators thought they were actually watching real footage

another good flick to get on WWI with the same film style is
The Lost Battalion
 
Y Lifter, Ermey did make the movie. He added his own lines for the DI bit. The lines that were supposed to be used sucked in Ermey's opinion and did not characterize a Marine DI.

4EH, I'm excited to watch this movie now. I can't wait for it to get in. I've heard of the Lost Batallion, but wasn't sure if it was just some cookie cutter movie pumped out in the time when making war movies were a dime a dozen.
 
anymore movies just don't quench my war history thirst, so many good documentaries with real footage, why settle for hollywood bullshit??

fyi, ww1 has my interest currently
 
Gambino said:
anymore movies just don't quench my war history thirst, so many good documentaries with real footage, why settle for hollywood bullshit??

fyi, ww1 has my interest currently
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There was a True Story: Black Hawk Down on the History channel yesterday. I didn't get to watch a lot of it, but the guy who was taken captive was given a Bible and he kept notes of everything that occurred to him while in captivity. The Somalis let him leave with the Bible when he was released and he gave his account of what happened.

I agree though the real footage now-a-days is awing. The war correspondents do a hell of a job capturing the shit going on. The reporters from CNN and the sort disgust me though. Especially that fuckwad Geraldo showing where American positions were. Civilians do not need to have information given to them if it's going to put the troops in harms way. Someone should've but stroked Geraldo, looked into the camera and said "Holy shit, you ever see a fucking head come apart like that? Brains all over the place."
 
Rex said:
I've heard of the Lost Batallion, but wasn't sure if it was just some cookie cutter movie pumped out in the time when making war movies were a dime a dozen.
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(1996) 4 Star Fantastic A&E feature film that absolutely stunned me the first time I saw it. Starring Rick Schroder and filmed in Luxembourg and Belgium, this is the story of an American battalion in World War I. The U.S. Army?s 77th Division, 308th Battalion were surrounded by German troops in the Argonne Forest. Without food, water, supplies, ammunition, cut off from everyone, they held off the enemy for five days and a few Medals of Honor later. A great film, and a great surprise from cable. Color, 100 minutes.
 
4everhung said:
(1996) 4 Star Fantastic A&E feature film that absolutely stunned me the first time I saw it. Starring Rick Schroder and filmed in Luxembourg and Belgium, this is the story of an American battalion in World War I. The U.S. Army?s 77th Division, 308th Battalion were surrounded by German troops in the Argonne Forest. Without food, water, supplies, ammunition, cut off from everyone, they held off the enemy for five days and a few Medals of Honor later. A great film, and a great surprise from cable. Color, 100 minutes.
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Awesome synopsis. I'll give it a go.
 
Rex said:
There was a True Story: Black Hawk Down on the History channel yesterday. I didn't get to watch a lot of it, but the guy who was taken captive was given a Bible and he kept notes of everything that occurred to him while in captivity. The Somalis let him leave with the Bible when he was released and he gave his account of what happened.

I agree though the real footage now-a-days is awing. The war correspondents do a hell of a job capturing the shit going on. The reporters from CNN and the sort disgust me though. Especially that fuckwad Geraldo showing where American positions were. Civilians do not need to have information given to them if it's going to put the troops in harms way. Someone should've but stroked Geraldo, looked into the camera and said "Holy shit, you ever see a fucking head come apart like that? Brains all over the place."
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I wasn't refferring to current war footage, fucking cheezy if you ask me. Geraldo and all those other war correspondents remind me of the character Robert Downey Jr. played in Natty born killers. I'm talking the silent ww1 and II footage.

was watching this ww1 clip the other day, camera was inside german machine gun nest, fucking wicked...bodies dropping like corn stalks on harvest day. was truely shocking to watch, yet fascinating...
 
best war movie ever

http://www.warshows.com/Detail.bok?no=7533

(1992) In my opinion, this film is among the top ten war films ever made. It did not get the fanfare of Stalingrad or the hype of The Rough Riders but this is without a doubt more powerful, better acted, more realistic, more authentic than any war film that you have ever seen. All the equipment comes from the Finnish museums or was donated by sources in Russia. The Russians supplied T-26s, T-28s, a host of different Russian air combat units and all the stunt work in this graphically visual history of the Russian invasion of Finland in 1939. If you liked Stalingrad, Cross of Iron, Attack and Retreat, Punishment Battalion, and The Misfit Brigade, you will love this film. The Finnish producers, actors, and directors did a fantastic job on this one dont miss it! Subtitled only. Now on VHS or DVD.
 
Gambino said:
I wasn't refferring to current war footage, fucking cheezy if you ask me. Geraldo and all those other war correspondents remind me of the character Robert Downey Jr. played in Natty born killers. I'm talking the silent ww1 and II footage.

was watching this ww1 clip the other day, camera was inside german machine gun nest, fucking wicked...bodies dropping like corn stalks on harvest day. was truely shocking to watch, yet fascinating...
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That ww1 sounds nuts. Would like to see that.

The war correspondants I'm talking about are the one's in the military. They showed some soldiers in a fire fight firing at enemy snipers who were in a building. Suppressing fire was laid down, and some soldiers fired what appeared to be an AT-4 at the building destroying it, and the soliders cheering when it blew up.
 
Forget the movies on Vietnam, though Apocalypse now is brilliant.

Read: A Rumor of War and Heart of Darkness. Apocalypse Now is based on the later.
 
full metal jacket was great also
 
Gambino said:
Geraldo and all those other war correspondents remind me of the character Robert Downey Jr. played in Natty born killers.
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that was one of Stone's points
heh
same goes for the Peterson trial coverage
and...
 
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Gambino said:
anymore movies just don't quench my war history thirst, so many good documentaries with real footage, why settle for hollywood bullshit??

fyi, ww1 has my interest currently
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I'll supply you with a non-Hollywood list long enough to last you until
we invade Syria
 
Ermey was in Siege of Firebase Gloria. Not an award winner, but intertaning.
 
Rex said:
There was a True Story: Black Hawk Down on the History channel yesterday.
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Yeah I saw that , I'm a History Channel junkie. WWI, WWII, all of them.
Watching Black Hawk Down I had this uncontrollable urge to get on a plane, go to Somalia and start wasting people. Gamby’s right though WWI was wild, hand to hand trench warfare, the infancy of airpower, and the Christmas truce. Interesting time in history.
 
chyllaxyn said:
Yeah I saw that , I'm a History Channel junkie. WWI, WWII, all of them.
Watching Black Hawk Down I had this uncontrollable urge to get on a plane, go to Somalia and start wasting people. Gamby’s right though WWI was wild, hand to hand trench warfare, the infancy of airpower, and the Christmas truce. Interesting time in history.
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WWI was about the beginning of "industrialized" warfare
the US civil war was the birth
 
4everhung said:
WWI was about the beginning of "industrialized" warfare
the US civil war was the birth
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Crimean War used modern cannons and breach loading shoulder arms.
Trench warfare took off at the end of the Civil War.
 
charge of the light brigade eh?
I'll be your war movie huckleberry
 
mountain muscle said:
Forget the movies on Vietnam, though Apocalypse now is brilliant.

Read: A Rumor of War and Heart of Darkness. Apocalypse Now is based on the later.
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Apocalyse Now touches on many issues and covers a broad emotional landscape.
Same goes For A "Thin Red Line" my personal favorite
I've watched thin red line over 2 dozen times,amazing to me
and I know my war movies
sure the Japs should have had grenades themselves in the bunker assualt scene
don't get me started on band of brothers
saving private ryan
for historical accuracy
 
i consider myself quite knowledgable of 18th century and up warfare; not so much the science and logistics but the politics...ww1 was by far the most brutal, anytime i'm having a bad day i think about the unfortunate souls who fought in this conflict. Their will never be a war such as this
 
Gambino said:
i consider myself quite knowledgable of 18th century and up warfare; not so much the science and logistics but the politics...ww1 was by far the most brutal, anytime i'm having a bad day i think about the unfortunate souls who fought in this conflict. Their will never be a war such as this
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well winter war is number one
amongst us war geeks
I have a VHS copy I will give you now that I see bellenblade has it on DVD
perhaps Perkeke could give you some background(doubt it)
IMO the Finns performed the best man4man in "WWII"
it's not a great production film,but as I posted previously the "russians" contributed a lot ot the film. And if you'll notice it was made in '92 after the "fall" of the USSR,opening up avenues for cooperation for filming.
T-26s and T-28s do you even know what they look like?
the Finns had NO tanks
none
 
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