If your using L-dex you better get your blood work done ASAP

[NFG123]

"No the deca is fine. My progesterone levels are still in the normal range."


deca does not convert to progesterone, it is a progestin, and thus has activity at the p receptor. just wanted to clear that up. deca will convert to E to a degree, and not through the standard aromatase pathway....that might be the cause of elevation.

FYI .5mg of real pharmacutical grade armidex isn't even enough for me on 500mg test. I had to use at least 1mg to get anything off it. letrozole works much better for me.

Finally, someone gives correct info. Karma bro ...

NFG

 

[Numberfive]

Thanks for the info Macrophage and Hugh

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Outside of the excellent points made by Huge Gellats and MACRO,Ryker,your math is way off.

1mg=12 drops,not 7
.5mg=6 drops
.25mg=3 drops

Your L-dex dosage was WAY too low IMO,but as Huge pointed out,your E up-regulation may be of a non-aromatic nature caused by the deca.

 

[ryker77]

Outside of the excellent points made by Huge Gellats and MACRO,Ryker,your math is way off.

1mg=12 drops,not 7
.5mg=6 drops
.25mg=3 drops

Your L-dex dosage was WAY too low IMO,but as Huge pointed out,your E up-regulation may be of a non-aromatic nature caused by the deca.

Ok my my math might be wrong. But my VISION is not. I can hold the pin upright at 2.5cc. Next I squirt 7 drops of Ldex into my mouth and when Im done the pin is now at 2.25cc. The next day I do the same routine and the pin is now at an even 2cc.

So that 4mg per 1ml
2mg per 0.5ml
1mg per 0.25ml
I'm not sure were or how you've got that 12 drops per 1mg. But with and 18 gauge pin and a 3cc B-D sryinge for me is 7 drops per 1mg.
Because I am talking to " the man" I just took 12 drops of Ldex. The pin started at 2cc and 12 drops later its at 1.5cc.

Now heres the question. There are two different estrogen blood test to take. Just like testosterone theres free and total amounts. Free is whats us meatheads need and the total doesn't really matter. I wonder which blood test for estrogen would show the effectiveness of L-dex.

 

[ryker77]

Results are in

Ok the first estrogen was taken on 06/01 which was 4 week into a deca/cyp cycle. Deca at 300mgs per week and cyp 200mgs 2x per week. With a front load of cyp on day one of 400mgs. L-dex was taken ED 5 drops. My lab results were total serum estrogen 723.2 pg/ml normal range is 40-115.0pg/ml Which is 608pg/ml higher than normal. Or 525% higher than normal. My testosterone total levels were only 2091ng/dl Normal range is 262-1593ng/dl. Which is 498ng/dl higher than normal or 131% higher. Now I have 131% increase in Testosterone and L-dex is SUPPOSED to prevent the armotise, right? Yet my estrogen is 525% higher. Hell I might as well be taking pure estrogen.. OK enough bitching.

From June 01 till the 14th I couldn't take any AS or L-dex. So on the May31 was my last shot of 200mgs of cyp and my last 5 drops of L-dex was taking the moring of the 1st. For the next 14 days I used 20mgs of nolva ED. On June 15th I returned to my cycle of 200mgs cyp of 300mgs deca with 7 drops of L-dex. I also increased my green tea intake. 16 days later I had my estrogen rechecked. 426.4pg/ml WTF I suppose this shows that a slight increase in L-dex (just two more drops) works. But I'm still 400% higher than normal. I've not noticed any difference in my body.

What next.?! I wish other people had their blood tested so that we could get an ideal of what happens to our estrogen levels. If any one is in the Atlanta area shoot me an email. In the mean time I started taking ZMA before bed. And will leave the L-dex at 7 drops ED. I reckon that a few years ago people survived without L-dex so I can survive with 7drops ED.

 

[ryker77]

In two weeks the deca will be out of my system and I'll be bridging with 200mgs cyp once per week along with 7 drops ED of L-dex. I'll go ahead and get my estrogen levels checked at that time. They should be alot lower without the deca and only 200mgs cyp. If I have the extra cash I'll get my testosterone checked as well.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

what brand of cypionate are you taking?
what brand of Nandrolone?

there is the possibility they may contain estrogen.. sad but true..

or you may need much higher amounts of arimidex to achieve suppression...

OR your arimidex may be underdosed...

 

[ryker77]

Always Ttokkyo.
Lot071 exp jul03 on the deca
Lot041 exp May03 on the cyp

 

[ryker77]

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[Mike P.T.]

Funny you mentioned this because I have lowered my overall dose of sus just 2 weeks ago from 750mg to 500mg a week. This week im only gonna take 250mg. Don't wanna waste the juice since im recovering from an elbow problem. Anyway I've actually lowered my overall dose of liquidex as well and have noticed that I've lost a considerable amount of water bloat. I haven't worked out in a bit and im looking much more cut with a regular diet still. I definately notice a good difference though taking it because at one point I had decided to lower my dose for a few days just to see how that would be and I became alot more bloated relatively fast. Also I am not one of those estrogen sensitive people or progesterone sensitive as well which leads me to believe the liquidex does help of course, but with a good amount of extra test being introduced into the body it may not be able to deal with it so efficiently. You could just up the dose if you are really sensitive or are using more test though or switch to femara maybe as I have heard it kicks arimidex's ass on a mg for mg basis. Still this is based on opinion as I have heard others say arimidex was better as well.