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If You Use Arimidex -- Take THIS!

Nelson Montana

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It's been my stance for some time that anti e's are overused and overdosed. Not only is some estrogen benificial to health, it had muscle building and libido enhancing properties as well. But that's a topic for another time.

It's also been my contention (and this is obvious to long time members) that Clomid sucks ass big time. Sure, it "works" for some people. But in those that it doesn't it's a miserable experience. This is why in most cases natural alternatives ofen work quite well, but if you MUST use a drug I believe Proviron is a wise choice. And in cases where e is extremely elevated, LOW doses of A-dex is the way to go. It's far more effective at contolling over all e levels than nolva.

But Dex doesn't come without its drawbacks.

A-dex is a powerful drug and its effects can not be accurately measured, short of weekly blood tests. The use of A-dex is also precarious in that it seems to lower HDL beyond that of other anti-e's.

In the past, I've recommended Apple Pectin and , TMG to help keep cholesterol in check, preventng arterial plauque and lowering triglyceride levels. They work. Other standard suggestions have been to use Primrose oil and Bete Sitosterol. Both will lower cholesterol as well, but they arent what you want. Beta Sitosterol will lower HDL as well as LDL and it will also lower DHT. Primorose Oil contains phyto-estrogens so it lowers cholesterol by adding estrogen back into your body. Bummer.

But there are two recent discoveries that look really interesting. And, BTW, I don't sell either of them.) One is Red Yeast Rice extract. The other is Policosanol. Both have been shown to lower LDL while raising HDL. This is exactly what you want all the time, but if you're on A-dex, I'd say it's a "must."

I still maintain that for "low dosers" and in between cycles, chrysin with calcium d glucerate and bioperine works wonders. (Can't mention the company that sells them, but they'll soon be advertisers on Elite and then they can discussed further). But if you have no choice but to do the dex, take these two supplements for the sake of your health. From what I've found, Vitamin Shoppe sells a good version at a fair price. (Although it s kinda "pricy") I'l be doing my monthly blood test and I'll report if the use of these supplements live up to the claims. (Although my overall cholesterol and HDL is already pretty good) Should be interesting.
 
Not trying to flame here, but i've mentioned in the past that there are numerous studies that indicate that chrysin does little to nothing in humans due to very poor bioavailability. You've never addressed this? Also, I don't know of anyone that uses clomid as an anti-e, its mostly used to increase endogenous testosterone production - and for that it works very well in nearly all individuals....although the side effects can be annoying.
 
Nelson, you should also add that taking in large amounts of raw green veggies and supplimenting with omega 3's (in particular fish oil) can help with the cholesterol issue as well.
 
poantrex said:
Not trying to flame here, but i've mentioned in the past that there are numerous studies that indicate that chrysin does little to nothing in humans due to very poor bioavailability. You've never addressed this? Also, I don't know of anyone that uses clomid as an anti-e, its mostly used to increase endogenous testosterone production - and for that it works very well in nearly all individuals....although the side effects can be annoying.

I ran chrysin at 1g a day before and noticed decreased swelling in my nipples. This was done on an EQ cycle; unfortunately I'm VERY sensitive to estrogen. 1g a day is a pretty high dose of chrysin, and not very cost effective. If you need to control estrogen to avoid gyno, chrysin does not seem like a viable option. Nolvadex is the only thing you should be thinking of. I do not want to rely on nolva, but nothing else has shown to work as well for me, except letrozole at 2.5mg EOD.

I represent an extreme in regards to gyno-related estrogen sensitivity; I'll get gyno on 250mg of test a week without an aromatase inhibitor. I would hate for someone like me to go into a cycle thinking their chrysin or calcium d-glucarate would be enough to stop gyno.
 
Im using aromasin instead of arimidex.
I've heard that aromasin dont affect the lipid profile as arimidex does. True?!?! I hope so.
 
Shinobi said:
Im using aromasin instead of arimidex.
I've heard that aromasin dont affect the lipid profile as arimidex does. True?!?! I hope so.
I have read that is true. It is also a much more potent aromatase inhibitor; maybe too potent....
 
Nelson, so what doses would you recommend:

a) when "on"

b) for a regular person, like someone in my family with elevated cholesterol
 
good post there nelson, what about femara? is it as bad as arimidex? i've heard it is, just wondering on your thoughts. As for taking too much, i've said that for years now, and everyone has said i was crazy, people said my gear must be fake when i said i was on a gram of test a week and NO sex drive, i was taking 1mg arimidex ED. Now i can take 1.25mg femara EOD or even every third day with the same effects and no bad sides!!
 
Red yeast rice extract is hardly a new entry into the field it has for years been the center of a legal debate since it is essentially the same as mevacor, a cholesterol lowering drug. In 1999, the american journal of clinical nutrition published a study demonstrating that RRY lowered cholesterol about 40 points (same as expected from mevacor), not surprising since rry contains among other things lovastatin, the active ingredient in mevacor. One caveat however, like mevacor, rry will cause liver enzymes to elevate so be aware if yo ugo in for blood tests.

jb
 
I always use nolva if I have any symptoms but I was looking at either taking Letrozole(Femara) or Exemestane(Aromasin) instead of Adex for prevention. Anyone besides "Shinobi" or "DRRman" have experience with those.
 
I am actually running .5mg Arimidex EOD right now while on 250/200 Cyp/Deca cycle. Would RRY or any other supplement to help cholesterol be a good idead to add at the dose I am running dex at?
 
BodyByFinaplix said:
Nelson, you should also add that taking in large amounts of raw green veggies and supplimenting with omega 3's (in particular fish oil) can help with the cholesterol issue as well.
True, even the american heart association is now endorsing omega-3 fatty acids.
 
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