If you get Deca from an American Pharmacy....

[needleboy]

DECEM-

YOUR WRONG

Doctors can prescribe any drug for a patient as long as it is MEDICALLY NECESSARY- not just because they want to. AS are Schedule 3 controlled substances- so they might as well be pharmaceutical cocaine.

It red flags to the DEA and will more than likely get reviewed, but will always get reviewed by an insurance company. A patients records must show a medical condition the indicates the prescribed meds.

 

[LCBUTLER]

you got a pretty frickin cool doctor

YGM BRO...Good Luck.

 

[decem]

DECEM-

YOUR WRONG

Doctors can prescribe any drug for a patient as long as it is MEDICALLY NECESSARY- not just because they want to. AS are Schedule 3 controlled substances- so they might as well be pharmaceutical cocaine.

It red flags to the DEA and will more than likely get reviewed, but will always get reviewed by an insurance company. A patients records must show a medical condition the indicates the prescribed meds.

so when i talked my doctor (the one i worked for and saw everyday for two years) almost into prescribing me testosterone to use as a male birth control, and she didn't even bat an eye (actually, she jumped on the chance to be the first military doctor to do it) - and started ordering tests (i.e. sperm count - cause we had to make sure that i was actually fertile to begin with) - is that showing a medical condition?? is it medically necessary to prescribe a young male testosterone as a birth control? didn't think so.

and no, i didn't get the prescription - it didn't get very far before the director of the medical clinic shot it down because if it went through - we'd have every service member walking around on test.

and the doctor - the one that i worked with very closely - the one who'd been a doctor for ten years - is the same one that told me that about the fda only approving the drug - not the use.

let's just say it's self pay - then no insurance company reviews/approves it.

also, who does the dea review and how does it get red flagged? does every pharmacy report to a central db at the dea?

maybe the rules/laws have changed. maybe it does get "red-flagged" - i just don't see how. can you explain further or give hard proof?

you would think that ronnie coleman would be red-flagger then? why wouldn't the dea just watch him for like a week - figure out who his source was - figure out who their's is - and bust them. i don't think the dea would give a fuck about one doctor treating 1-10 bb's with different anabolic agents - especially when the doctor doesn't have to report his tx to them - and the bb's could get their prescription at different pharmacies - or have their little sick sister pick them up.

i'm sorry needleboy, but the more i look at it, i fail to see how the dea could be red-flagged or would even care.

damn, sorry bout the long post.... i'm tired of writing.

like i said needleboy, i am open to this topic as i admit i don't know that much about it - i only know what that doctor told me and what i can speculate about the practices of the dea.

 

[needleboy]

Decem-


I do not know when you talked to your doctor so that may be relevant. AS are now Schedule 3 controlled substance as I said before- they were not for many years. In the 80's your doctor could prescribe them to you to "rehab" an injury. However now they are indicated for very specific medical conditions- wasting disease, etc. Any schedule 3 which includes narcotics Red Flag- and is automatically sent to the DEA.

If they see a pattern for a specific patient- pharmacy or doctor they will investigate. They will demand your medical records, or a written statement with documentation from a doctor, explaining the reason for the script. I have 3 very close friends who are doctors, and 2 that a pharmacists. I have discussed this issue with all of them, and this is the gist of what they all say. Once a drug is listed as Schedule 3 it is watched very carefully.

Schedule 3 was originally created to stop the widespread abuse of prescription narcotics- a big problem 15-20 years ago. Any drug that was highly addictive was classified as such. AS were added to the list because of the widespread abuse among teenagers in the 80's - I know I was there. Technically they do not fit the criteria for schedule 3 because they are not (physiologically) addictive.

By the way - am not trying to flame you. I think sometimes people forget that AS are a controlled substance. This makes them a little casual in their use of them and thier mindset for dealing with them.


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[decem]

i worked for her from '95-'97. i tried convincing her that men should have the option to get free birth control from the military, just like women, since there were countless studies as test (usually 200mg enanthate every 2 weeks) being administered for six months which brought severe oligospermia to azoospermia (sp.?) within six months - rendering only 3% of the male sperm active - which is very comparable to ortho-tricyclene (oral female b.c.). anyway, like i said, it got shot down by the director (which is bullshit).

but perhaps she wasn't aware of such restrictions and if it had went further that would have came up.

next time you talk to your pharmacist friends, see if they know EXACTLY how such instances get "red-flagged." oh, wait..... it's all coming back to me. that whole "controlled substance" thing. i'm sure that their records have to be exact and that they have to keep track of every times such a substance is shipped to the pharm or prescribed (i remember the tech's in the military pharmacies bitching about this and their logs they had to keep - i guess i thought it was just a military thing)

but this still doesn't cover how they can track a patients prescriptions - unless there is a db which would be holding all your info and all your prescriptions and to me would be breaching patient privacy laws and could be fought in court (Decem vs. the united states - i can see it now - nycdefender can represent me).

i would be very interested in all the details of that process though, and would like to hear your friends' take on it.

peace

 

[METALFLEX]

HEY GUYS

Hey guys drop me an email about this cuz im in the military and i would like to know if it would be possible to get so me gear from the docs. i just came out of a cast and my leg is all shriveled up like a big worm and how would i bring it up to the doc to gimme them ?

 

[decem]

i actually just got out of my cast from a broken hand. while in it i quizzed the doc about what all there is to speed recovery - but most of my questions were geared toward healing of the bone (by the way, i did ask her all about AS, estradiol, etc and their effects on speeding bone healing process, but she said that no - they dont use any thing like that - and usually when taking measures similar to that - it's to slow the rate at which it heals)

anyway, back to the topic. i can't imagine that they'll give you any anabolic agent to speed the recovery of an atrophied muscle, BUT it's always worth a try. i'd just ask them straight up what they can give you to speed your recovery process. maybe elude to AS. that's about the only advice i can give you.

good luck. tell us what happens.

 

[Steelplate]

Needleboy.. You are just flat out wrong my friend.. In no way, shape or form is a C-3 drug strictly regulated.. For my example, I am going to use pain medications.. Take Hydrocodone ( Vicodin, Lortab, Lorcet, etc.. ) they are all C-3 (schedule 3 ).. You can find these medications in any pharmacy.. They have bottles everywhere.. But, at no time is the Pharmacist sure how many are in each bottle.. Anyone who works there could be swipeing them, and no one would be the wiser.. There isnt tight control on them.. Then, we move to C-2.. These meds are very regulated.. They are usually kept in a strong box or safe.. These are meds like Oxycodone ( Percocet, Percodan, Tylox, Oxycontin ).. At all times the pharmacist knows exactly how many of each are in each bottle.. When you go to pick up a C-2, in some states you have to present your drivers license.. Wether that happens of not, the moment the information for that C-2 is entered into the computer system, it is sent to the DEA in some fashion.. Cocaine is actually a C-1.. Along with marijuana, and LSD.. Deemed to have no medical value.. The one exception to that scheduleing is cocaine by the use of Anetheisoligists.. So, since ASS are C-3, it would go to say that if a person were to recieve a prescription for them, and self payed, no one would ever be the wiser.. I would think that where one would run into trouble with this is trying to use insurance.. They dont want anything to cost them money.. They would be the ones to make trouble..

Steelplate

 

[needleboy]

Steel plate- am havind dinner 2 nite with a few people- at least 1 doctor and 1 pharm- will ask for in depth info.


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[NinjaX]

bro i hope you know putting deca on your medical insurance will raise a flag against you