If you don't believe Jesus Christ was/is God...

[jnevin]

Shit bro... She has nipples. I'm down.

 

[puddlemonkey]

whoa, first glance I didn't notice that.

 

[puddlemonkey]

I too am ready and willing.

 

[jnevin]

I've got nipples monkey. You want to milk me?

 

[puddlemonkey]

I've got nipples monkey. You want to milk me?

 

[ceo]

CEO Im reasonbly Sure Hell is partly like this:



I see alot of things in my head too which is far worst

Ill give you a hint, if we can imagine it here in this world, its not hard to see it be real in the beyond

The english word hell may appear as many as 55 times, or as few as zero times, depending on which translation (KJV, NIV, YLT, etc.) you are reading from.

Let me get you started...sheol, hades, tartarus, and gehenna are the words used in the bible that have been translated in some versions to be "hell".

Sheol is the hebrew word found in the OT that has been (erroneously) translated as hell. Though sometimes it has been used correctly as grave, and rather "iffy" as pit (though that could pass). Grave is most correct.

The rest are used in the NT. You can do the rest of that research.

 

[puddlemonkey]

Let me get you started...sheol, hades, tartarus, and gehenna are the words used in the bible that have been translated in some versions to be "hell".

 

[ceo]

Huh?

The Asatru believe in a Hell of sorts (but theirs is cold). Witches and wiccans generally go for reincarnation and some believe in a place called the Summerland. Some believe your energy just transmutes and becomes a part of everything. It's tough to make a blanket statement pagan beliefs, however, since one of the main concepts is self responsibility (i.e., an it harm none, do what thou will) with a belief of internal divinity, the idea of outside punishment for acts you committed doesn't work.

A lot of them believe in the "rule of three" that is, any ill you send out will come back to you three fold. I think that's a little too literal, and I don't believe the scales necessarily get balanced in this lifetime.

You are right. It is tough to make a blanket statement about "pagan" beliefs, since so many "religions" can be considered pagan. I am referring in the confines of this thread to many of the sun worshipping religions of ancient Chaldeans, Babylonians, Meads & Persians, etc., as well as the pagan beliefs of the ancient Romans and Greeks.

Pagan is a blanket term that covers these religions.

I know very little about Wicca, and your beliefs, and none of what I have said or referred to has been in reference to your beliefs (as far as I know!).

 

[ceo]

so true bro. Hell was invented by the Roman Catholic Church to scare people into obedience.

and lol @ you posting the ghenna vid.

I had a feeling you would do that as I typed it.

 

[musclemom]

Now I'm genuinely intrigued. Is it considered a viololation of: "an it harm none, do what thou will" if you take something from someone and give it to someone else?

From MY perspective: Harm is different from Hurt. Harm is extreme, intense, life changing trauma type experiences (as in, the fact my father beat my mother caused me permanent psychological harm). Hurt is, life wise, stubbing your toe. Taking something from someone, like, say, a wallet, falls under the category of hurt. Causing someone to lose their business and livelihood, destroying them financially so their life is in ruins, that's harm.

If you're talking something like adultery (i.e., "that woman took my husband away from me") I see that as a two way street because I honestly don't believe you can "take" anyone's spouse away from them if the marriage is inherently sound (and everyone I know whose been involved on one side or the other of adulterous or cheating relationships agrees, although sometimes it takes a long time for the "wronged" party to accept this reality).

And the funny thing is, depending on who you're talking to, and which of the various Heathen/Pagan/Neopagan/Witch/Wiccan/Voudon/Etc./Etc. paths they follow, you could (and probably will) get a different answer. The primary thing that makes the various neopagan paths different from conventional religion IS the lack of dogma. Of course, the lack of dogma is precisely why people who prefer/need structured paradigms is why they feel it is acceptable to dismiss us and the validity of our beliefs.

Pagan beliefs harken back to a time in human existence when we were more tribal, and each of those tribes had their traditions. Just because the traditions (and gods) varied from one tribe to another that didn't invalidate them. From the pagan perspective, expecting everyone on the planet to worship ONE god, in ONE manner is every bit as stupid as expecting everyone on the planet to eat ONE food prepared using the same recipe every day of their lives.