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If there's such a thing as shorter esters having less keepable gains, then I would venture that the user had a poorly designed cycle and pct and experienced a more pronounced crash...
As for the bloat I'm sure there is a scientific reason I have yet to see
if it is true
As for the bloat I'm sure there is a scientific reason I have yet to see
if it is true
ryno9000 said:
Pretty good question right there bro.
layinback
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testosterone will cause sodium, potasium, chloride and phosphate retention.
this can lead to hypertension, bloating and several other "sides"
the negative effects are usually dose dependent and genetic predisposition.
a knowledgeable user can circumvent most of this with proper diet and
common sense dosing.
i NEVER go over 500 mg \ wk and i eat clean as a whistle. i don't get
high blood pressure or bloat. after 500 mg u get diminishing returns
and increased sides........it's stupid this side of pro bodybuilding.
i believe long esters are the way to go. i've ran prop as a "kick start"
but it is not necessary for cutting and in my opinion, offers no advantages
over the long esters. there is no replacement for hard work clean diet
and smart training.
this can lead to hypertension, bloating and several other "sides"
the negative effects are usually dose dependent and genetic predisposition.
a knowledgeable user can circumvent most of this with proper diet and
common sense dosing.
i NEVER go over 500 mg \ wk and i eat clean as a whistle. i don't get
high blood pressure or bloat. after 500 mg u get diminishing returns
and increased sides........it's stupid this side of pro bodybuilding.
i believe long esters are the way to go. i've ran prop as a "kick start"
but it is not necessary for cutting and in my opinion, offers no advantages
over the long esters. there is no replacement for hard work clean diet
and smart training.
sensational
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Layinback had a great answer.
I use whatever test I have, usually Test E
I use whatever test I have, usually Test E
jagerbombme
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i bloat more on longer esters. don't hardly bloat at all on tons of prop.
keepable gains. hehe, for that one, test is test, although if your bloated it will appear as you lose gains when stopping where with prop where i don't bloat, it doesn't appear i lose any
keepable gains. hehe, for that one, test is test, although if your bloated it will appear as you lose gains when stopping where with prop where i don't bloat, it doesn't appear i lose any
stressman13
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Ive used both many times and gains are the same regardless of what "bros tell u". My fav is that Sus is stronger because its all different tests in one. Ive had to debunk this to people countless times. Ive actually gone to Test e or c after years of using prop because of the scar tissue n shit from EOD and ED shots for so long. Ill only use prop if i have to or as a kick start.
Harleymarleybone
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ryno9000 said:
I don't know what you think of Anthony Roberts, but he wrote an article on this:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=313854
He refers to research that shows longer esters create more estrogen conversion.
Harleymarleybone
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ryno9000 said:
Even a dumb-fuck blind hog can find an acorn every once in a while.
i'm my experience i have only used prop (short ester) as a kickstart... and held little water if any......i usually choose to run sus` or testE (long ester).... i actually tend to lean out while on test..... but as we all know we all react differently to different gear.... supposedly you hold slightly more water while on omnadren` vs. sus`.... wasn't the case with me ( same results as sus`)... i believe i'm just repeating what everyone else is saying but ... diet has a whole lot to do with bloat on any substance!
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jumpmaster82
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I have never believed that longer esters give more keepable gains just based on the fact that they have longer esters. IMO the keepability is based on the actual chemical itself not the disposition of the ester.
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jumpmaster82 said:
right on!
i just get whatever human grade is available--i has one abscess too many years ago and that was it for me.
good ? re: the estrogen though....never thought about it?
good ? re: the estrogen though....never thought about it?
ryno9000 said:
haven't noticed much difference between cyp and prop. Only noticed a difference when I started using susta250.
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the_alcatraz said:
what did you notice?
sensational
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If you follow proper injection frequency guidelines, there should be no difference between any testosterones. I have used them all, and there isn't a difference. Anybody claiming that there is, either got under/overdosed gear, didn't follow frequency guidelines, or is giving credit to test where another factor is indeed the deciding factor.
Para_Shoot
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layinback said:
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hehateme000
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layinback said:
^^ haha good one
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layinback said:
he's being sarcastic bro, it's extra estrogen no matter how clean diet is.
i can be on 50mg test prop eod and no bloat, low carbs all low gi only pre and post rest diet is p and f and no salt anything, not that i just don't salt it, i buy salt free everything, if i up the prop to 150mg ed, i'll gain 6-8 pounds, without diet change. if i were to run that much a week of enanthate i'd be up 15 pounds. everyone's different, and to tell people that if you eat clean you shouldn't be bloating could be misleading them to believe they don't need an ai, everyone using any anabolics safely should have a nice auto digital bp monitor and check it regularly, have ai's and cabaser possibly on hand for gyno and dick issues, and imo cialis is the easiest thing you could come across to keep your bp good, it can be found anywhere and it works very similair to bp meds in your body. this doesn't mean let your bloat go outta control and hit cialis ed, you need to keep bloat down to keep water weight off your heart.
i can nail large amounts of gear and watch bp go nuts and pop 20mg cialis ed and watch bp sit at 116/55 all day with resting hr of 45-50
the bloating would definitely be extra estrogen..I can eat contest level clean and still bloat like hell on test, but as soon as I add femera the water is gone...fast
As for diuretics, I wouldnt use them, you'll lose water for the time you are on them, then it will come back unless you changed the reason why you gained the water in the first place. So either switch to a faster ester test like prop, or run an anti-e that will kill the estrogen
As for diuretics, I wouldnt use them, you'll lose water for the time you are on them, then it will come back unless you changed the reason why you gained the water in the first place. So either switch to a faster ester test like prop, or run an anti-e that will kill the estrogen
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needsize said:
look at this guys picture, says enough, i see the same results he talks about. this bs about not bloating and it's all your diets fault is bs for most people. maybe your body doesn't convert to estro very much. but most peoples do. i know people with six packs and jump on 500mg sust ew and they look like fat terds. it's not their diets, its the sust. now they are starting to listen to me about prop.
