idea for the vets here..

[ArmaniAK47]

I think it'd be really cool, if they were so inclined..

for a few of the vet's here to get together and make a thread with some sample steroid cycles..

that way, perhaps instead of all of us guessing what to use and building it ourselves...

we'd have a few stacks the people that really know what they are talking about have made we could try..

Some ideas would be including ones for different levels of training/past steroid use...

noted benefits of particular cycle.. diet to use with it..

idk.. just an idea I had.

 

[DJ_UFO]

You can find cycles samples online. The risk of posting a thread like that here, is that a lot of newbies would go ahead and start doing them without any knowledge of their own bodies or any training background. It will be like picking the icecream that you like the most. The only way to make steroids safe for everybody, is knowledge. With steroids, it takes some homework to do.

 

[ArmaniAK47]

makes sense.

picking their favorite icecream lol..

I know my way about an amp opener, I just want to be able to say "well hell.. dj_ufo likes that one.. I'll try that."

 

[Varga]

I agree that vets cycles are very different than starting cycles.
I can post mine but is not for a newb and some of the stuff im doing is for reasons once again than a newb wont need to do.
I do cycles based on needs at that time and dosages are based on years of messing around with this stuff ....for example I can do 1gr of test for a gainer which would be ridiculous for a newb to do who is prone to gyno and Im not.

SO, in reality cycles are based on experience, goals and reaction to the compound when it comes to dosages.I think in this sense we are all unique and everyone shouldnt be afraid to experiment with what works for them

 

[ArmaniAK47]

Good call Varga.

I think I will do the standard and post my cycle idea for constructive criticism...

coming soon.

 

[Varga]

Good call Varga.

I think I will do the standard and post my cycle idea for constructive criticism...

coming soon.

Post is up then we can all learn new things everyday

 

[ceo]

you'd get 1000 different opinions. and, you can already find what you're asking for.

 

[ConanX]

A lot of the top guys don't even get planned cycles. They just do 2-3 grams of Test and whatever else they can find.

Example: my friend who has been bodybuilding for over 20 years and has competed in multiple shows will do something like this for gaining mass while leaning up.

Sustanon 1 gram EW
Test E 1 gram EW
Tren Ace 150mg ED
Winstrol Depot 100mg EOD
Winny Tabs 100mg ED
Masteron 150mg ED
Halo when getting closer to "peak"
HGH (whatever he can afford)
Insulin (not sure of his protocol)
Clen, T3


This is nothing out of the normal. You'd be suprised at how many guys aren't even that big or crazy looking, yet they are on 3-4 gram cycles. After years and years of steroid use, eventually they just keep upping the doses and they become very reliant on high dosing. I know that some guys at higher levels go with 5-7 gram cycles. Then there are guys who are huge and can still grow off of a nice, basic gram of Test. All depends on the individual, their cycle history, their tolerance to sides, their receptors, and their access to gear.

The smartest thing to do is use just enough to grow. No more than that.

 

[sweed]

Right on with ufo, u gotta do your research, a lot of it first, before picking out a cycle.but the first one is easy, test, and I'll be doing that only for my 2nd.
Research can't be left out for ther newbie! Heck even I'm a newbie for everyother steriod! Lol.

 

[Fudge Tunnel]

I think it'd be really cool, if they were so inclined..

for a few of the vet's here to get together and make a thread with some sample steroid cycles..

that way, perhaps instead of all of us guessing what to use and building it ourselves...

we'd have a few stacks the people that really know what they are talking about have made we could try..

Some ideas would be including ones for different levels of training/past steroid use...

noted benefits of particular cycle.. diet to use with it..

idk.. just an idea I had.

Good idea in theory but too many variables between individuals. What may work for one may not for another.

 

[trex74]

oops

 

[ArmaniAK47]

A lot of the top guys don't even get planned cycles. They just do 2-3 grams of Test and whatever else they can find.

Example: my friend who has been bodybuilding for over 20 years and has competed in multiple shows will do something like this for gaining mass while leaning up.

Sustanon 1 gram EW
Test E 1 gram EW
Tren Ace 150mg ED
Winstrol Depot 100mg EOD
Winny Tabs 100mg ED
Masteron 150mg ED
Halo when getting closer to "peak"
HGH (whatever he can afford)
Insulin (not sure of his protocol)
Clen, T3


This is nothing out of the normal. You'd be suprised at how many guys aren't even that big or crazy looking, yet they are on 3-4 gram cycles. After years and years of steroid use, eventually they just keep upping the doses and they become very reliant on high dosing. I know that some guys at higher levels go with 5-7 gram cycles. Then there are guys who are huge and can still grow off of a nice, basic gram of Test. All depends on the individual, their cycle history, their tolerance to sides, their receptors, and their access to gear.

The smartest thing to do is use just enough to grow. No more than that.

Kick ass post ConanX. That's a lot of gear.. I don't really think the stuff is all that bad for you...but at that amount I'd begin to wonder if I could survive it lol.

The using only as much as is needed is probably a good way to go. That's something I already sort of kept in mind and will continue to.

 

[ConanX]

Kick ass post ConanX. That's a lot of gear.. I don't really think the stuff is all that bad for you...but at that amount I'd begin to wonder if I could survive it lol.

The using only as much as is needed is probably a good way to go. That's something I already sort of kept in mind and will continue to.

Yeah, the dude's 40 and I think he's been doing it since 18.

What worries me the most about the dosages are the cholesterol, especially with all the Winny. But he seems to be fine. Everyone is different though and it is very risky and unnecessary...but when he runs those cycles, he transforms before your eyes. I don't use anywhere even near what he uses and I can grow almost as good as he does though (except for the striations and vascularity and 3D popping muscles lol), so yes, use the minimal amount for growth. That is the golden rule of AAS, otherwise it will lead to abuse.

 

[-SD-]

Yeah, the dude's 40 and I think he's been doing it since 18.

What worries me the most about the dosages are the cholesterol, especially with all the Winny. But he seems to be fine. Everyone is different though and it is very risky and unnecessary...but when he runs those cycles, he transforms before your eyes. I don't use anywhere even near what he uses and I can grow almost as good as he does though (except for the striations and vascularity and 3D popping muscles lol), so yes, use the minimal amount for growth. That is the golden rule of AAS, otherwise it will lead to abuse.

would be interesting to see his bloodwork.

 

[ArmaniAK47]

yeah that gives me faith that I will survive my up to 1gram (total) cycles.. lol

the winny must be fucking his cholesterol.. I've seen it done to people at less..

my heart does weird beats and shit sometimes.. scares the hell out of me.. it seems to do it less on juice though..
(no worries.. a cardiologist did sono, halter and xrays and shit on me... let me go with no drugs or other treatment.. should be fine )

 

[ceo]

A lot of the top guys don't even get planned cycles. They just do 2-3 grams of Test and whatever else they can find.

Example: my friend who has been bodybuilding for over 20 years and has competed in multiple shows will do something like this for gaining mass while leaning up.

Sustanon 1 gram EW
Test E 1 gram EW
Tren Ace 150mg ED
Winstrol Depot 100mg EOD
Winny Tabs 100mg ED
Masteron 150mg ED
Halo when getting closer to "peak"
HGH (whatever he can afford)
Insulin (not sure of his protocol)
Clen, T3


This is nothing out of the normal. You'd be suprised at how many guys aren't even that big or crazy looking, yet they are on 3-4 gram cycles. After years and years of steroid use, eventually they just keep upping the doses and they become very reliant on high dosing. I know that some guys at higher levels go with 5-7 gram cycles. Then there are guys who are huge and can still grow off of a nice, basic gram of Test. All depends on the individual, their cycle history, their tolerance to sides, their receptors, and their access to gear.

The smartest thing to do is use just enough to grow. No more than that.

This is true. Some guys can grow just as well (or better) off of 1g/wk as others can off of 7g/wk. And at that level (pro or top npc) their diet/training is on track, so it all comes down to...GENETICS!

Genetics can be everything, the way you respond to training, the way you respond to gear (why some respond better off 1g than others off 6g). Ever know someone that blows up with just a couple years of training and flies by you after 6-10 years training? Some people just have the genetics for this.

Most people just don't have the genetics to become pros though. It amazes me to see some people thinking they will turn pro after BBing for 10 years and they still look nothing like the guys on stage at the local shows. Maybe 10 more years? Yeah, if you're only 15 now...maybe 10 more years.

Why do people not think of BBing more like football/basketball/baseball? There are waaayyyy more pros at that than BBing, which would make one come to the conclusion that pro BBers are even more elite. These guys are the Michael Jordans, the Kobes, Shaqs, LeBrons, LaDanian Tomlinsons, Jerry Rices, etc. of BBing. The 400 or so pros you all know are the best of the best. And you don't even know most of them because they never place in the top ten. There are more superstars in pro sports than in BBing by far.

/rant over

lol, sorry, this should really be a whole other thread.

 

[ConanX]

would be interesting to see his bloodwork.

He told me everything is fine and his doc just laughed at his Test levels, but besides that he was healthy...so he says...who really knows? But he hasn't had any medical issues his whole life and when he was younger, he did some even stronger cycles (like using Tren 150mg ED for 4 months straight)

 

[ceo]

He told me everything is fine and his doc just laughed at his Test levels, but besides that he was healthy...so he says...who really knows? But he hasn't had any medical issues his whole life and when he was younger, he did some even stronger cycles (like using Tren 150mg ED for 4 months straight)

genetics. Another guy on those doses might have all sorts of problems.

 

[ConanX]

genetics. Another guy on those doses might have all sorts of problems.

Totally agree with you.