I can't let this one go.
Olympia4ever...
Where do we start here. Your assertion that this thread be moved might hold water only because Bruce's training had very little to do with drugs. However, Bruce's training is something that you might want to check into just a little bit before you come down on anyone for claiming him to outclass bodybuilders.
The fact of the matter is that Bruce was everything bodybuilding SHOULD be. He was a marriage of physicality, developed to perfection for its purpose, and sprituality, also developed to its purpose. He was constantly evolving into a better version of himself. In every area. He had mastered himself, physically and mentally.
Take another look at his physique at its finest, which was not until his latest years. At one point his bodyfat was almost neglegible. However, his strength did not suffer. You want to fool yourself that you could starve into that condition without drugs, go ahead. He was WAY ahead of his time. You asked if I have ever seen the master bodybuilders train? Hell, all we have nowadays is videos of 'haardcore training from the masters'...and while I can certainly respect some of the achievements, it is impossible to ignore the emphasis always being on drugs. I wonder why that is? Do you really believe that Dorian Yates trained with the intensity that Bruce did? I can tell you for a fact that they were in two different mental arenas, and intensity is always a MENTAL aspect.
Bruce LIVED A PHILOSOPHY. He inspired people like Dorian because his philosophy was overwhelming in its power, in its result. Bodybuilders who met him were not so overwhelmed by his physique as by his POWER, both mental and physical.
Name one bodybuilder who can do a front lateral hold with his bodyweight. Bruce could hold his own weight out in front of him, arms locked. If you think that is because he was skinny, think again. Not many can do that. Or a one handed pull up. You know anyone who can do one? At my strongest ever, I did ONE, badly, and I can do more than 50 two handed pulls.
Bruce was the amalgamation of what most bodybuilders claim to be. He was revered by the best bodybuilders in the world for a reason, and to suggest that this forum is not connected to those reasons is shortsighted.
Now then. Whoever said above that Bruce was no better than Steven Segal...jeez...what an occluded individual. So let me enlighten...
Bruce, let us not forget, married two cultures, and did it publicly. He arrived at a time when racism was rampant, and when many people's feeling toward Asians as a whole was very negative. Moreover, he came to INSTRUCT and to SHARE, as well as to GROW and DEVELOP himself. He was relentlessly helpful to those who asked, and very very patient with those who followed. He gave of himself, both to the industry that mistreated him and to the people who eventually disrespected him. You say he won no major tournaments. Hmmm. You think he was in a great many? While your listing the tournaments that he lost, why don't you list the people who defeated him? Find his naysayer among skilled fighters, bro. Where is his defeator? Where is his superior? Steven Segal is a charlatan who is able to make movies BECAUSE OF WHAT BRUCE HIMSELF PIONEERED. Segal is a liar and when he was called out by those who are in the know he ran like the fucking coward that he is. Gene Lebelle (sp) had no trouble choking Segal out in a scuffle, and Gene is an old man. Bruce brought a culture with him, and it remained and grew because of his efforts. You should study him, bro...or if nothing else, learn a little about someone before you trashtalk them. Ignorance can be corrected, but attitude is another story. Start by correcting your ignorance.