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I swear by maltodextrin for post workout !

blood_drinker

blood_drinker

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Even though it is a complex carb, its GI is 150, and recently I just got a bottle. Wow, my results were much better than when i was using honey or grape juice.
My shoulders grew considerably overnight, something they had never done before, and the workout was the same as before. Truly, something to try out, with 25 g of P from whey.
Any other success stories with these high GI carbs?
 
I think you have something there Blood. Been using dextrose in my post workout shake and it does seem to help. My problem is that it is a powder and I never know how much to add to my shake. I usually use two scoops of protein powder and a rounded teaspoon or two of the dextrose. Any idea if that is enough? Or how many carbs that is adding to my shake? And do you think there is a difference between what you are using post workout and what I use?
 
Hello blood_drinker

Where did you get this maltodextrin?
Like jbone asked how much do you put in your post workout shake?
 
Swear by it? Have any long term results to share with us. True trial and error? Oops, I forgot, you're not a long term person yet.
 
BTW, maltodextrin works just fine as a post workout carb. I just can't resist busting your chops sometimes. :spin:
 
Bodybuilding and Athletic Supplementation Description
Dextrose gained its popularity in the bodybuilding community for basically one reason, creatine monohydrate. Dextrose is the premiere ingredient in the so-called "Performance Creatine's". Why? Dextrose is equal to maltodextrin on the glycemic index having a score of 100. Which means that when you take dextrose at the same time with creatine its intake into the muscle is far greater than taking creatine alone. Dextrose or any high glycemic carb causes insulin levels to go up rapidly, thus bringing more creatine into the muscle cells. Bingo, high performance creatine.

Whats the difference between Maltodextrin and Dextrose?
1. TASTE, maltodextrin has an extremely weak sweetness to it. Plus it doesn't mix as well as dextrose. Dextrose on the other hand is very sweet and DISAPPEARS in water when stirred with a spoon. Hence, it is very friendly to the user. Adding dextrose to creatine makes it taste good and mix easily. Both are derived from corn strach which gives them their high glycemic level rating. But maltodextrin is complex and dextrose is simple.

Recommended usage
Take dextrose after you workout out, when glycogen levels are low. Approximately 50 to 100 grams. Using creatine with dextrose is an excellant anabolic agent.

I did some cut & paste on this info, but I still looking for an answer of how many teaspoons would it take to make 50 to 100 grams?
 
In fact yes I do . Lately I have been experimenting and testing different types of PW carbs to see which one suits me best and brought me better results. I have been doing this over the past 2 months.
I tried corn syrup, different juices (apple, grape, watermelon), pure milk (lactose) , honey, and maltodextrin.

I will continue to use malto dextrin as personally, I have seen better results with it.
 
I hear ya The Dude. Seems George is desperate for mods these days.

Of course the kid got better results with dextrose than high fructose foods. This is neither revelationary or new news. DUH. The questions we should all be asking are 1) why has he been pushing honey PW for so long inspite of the overwhelming evidence that it isn't nearly as good at refilling muscle glycogen: and 2) How will his pancreas feel about this new "discovery" of his in 25 years time?

Good luck blood drinker.
 
MS, you brought up something that's sort of been tickling at the back of my brain.

During the week, my diet is very clean on carbs. About 250 grams/day, almost all from oatmeal, whole bread brown rice, etc.

Weekends are a different story. I go through a bag of jelly beans, Spree, and some other hi-GI, no fat stuff.

This has worked great for fat loss, and seems to be working well for adding some mass now, too (really, too soon to tell on that yet).

But am I screwing myself with this? I know at times I get kind of zoned out on the weekends. Just wanted your thoughts.
 
I have been taking maltodextrin with my post-workout shakes for over a year now and I have gotten great results. I am a hi-carb freak when it comes to post-workout shakes. Right now, I weigh 229 pounds I take between 120 grams to 140 grams of carbohydrates in my shake with 2 to 3 scoops of whey protein. I have been doing this for a long time now blood_drinker and like you, I swear by it too.

I have to offer this little bit of advice tough, always drink your maltodextrin shake slowly especially if it's hi-carb. Drinking it fast will proceed to make you feel sick, , Unfortunately, I speak by experience :xeye: :sick: :bawling: I haven't vomited from that but I have felt real full
 
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I know it`s nothing revolutionary MS. But he asked if I had ever done some experimenting, and I simply answered, yes I did and I showed him what I did. I never claimed it to be a discovery , wtf.

And to answer your question, I have only tried honey for 2 weeks and did not like it for many reasons - mainly because it did not even matchup to the effects of maltodextri (thus the scientific studies and plus, i cannot bear 5 tbsp a day every day PW). What makes you think I rely on honey PW? never said i did? :confused:
 
And what might not be revolutionary is in fact something good to be pointed out to many. Look at the recent diets- still many rely on honey/grape juice, even potatoes with tuna for PW. Saying I got great results for maltodextrin is yet more proof that it works- not claiming to be a breakthrough or anything - Im just sharing my results. I think it's your turn for the chill pill now.:rolleyes:
 
OK I've chilled (and edited my above post-blame it on PMS).
Hoffmeister-I can't comment on the LOOOOONG term consequences of carbing out on the weekends, but I can assure you that eating lots of sweet (low fat) junk on the weekends is one of the better ways to keep you metabolism from stalling on any type of calorie restricted diet. This is the basis of CKD, but it works well on more traditional BB diets too. Keeping the fat intake low is the key to making it work. And I suspect that keeping the fat low during a carb spree may also offer some protection against developing insulin resistance. From that point of view a high GI PW carb drink prolly won't cause any long term damage either. It's just that no one's done any studies along those lines so all we can do is speculate.
 
Thanks for the response, MS.

I can't argue in any way with the results so far. Just the way you made the comment about the pancreas made me stop and think.
 
Oops...seems I can't edit my posts if they were made more thn 1440 minutes ago!?

Anyway ColumboWeiser, as I'm sure you may have an inkling, many bodybuilders now use insulin post workout to help push nutrients into their muscles. As far as I have been able to ascertain this is mainly related to 1) the use of very large quantities of AS: 2) the use of hGH: 3) the use of high fat/high carb bulking diets.

All of the above increase insulin resistance and therefore folks that indulge in any of the above seem to benefit a great deal from uing Sub Q insulin. "Normal" people with good insulin senstivity do not really need to resort to taking extra insulin to make good gains.
 
I don't live in America so I'm not sure what smarties, sweet tarts or cornchips consist of. But I'm willing to bet they are all pretty much high fat as well as high carb, in which case I wouldn't touch them PW (or any other time).
 
sweet tarts are like little candies that taste sweet (a big revelation there). Seriously, take some time to get some good dextrose and some good whey. You will soon reap the benefits. It took me some time to find dextrose in brazil, but once I did, here I am , I brought 4 kg of it to Paris. Thats how much I like it.
 
MS, FYI:

Smarties Ingredients: Dextrose, Citric Acid, Calcium Stearate, Artificial Flavors and Colors (Red 40 Lake, Yellow 5 Lake, Yellow 6 Lake, Blue 2 Lake)

SERVING SIZE - 1 oz.

Calories 100
Total Fat 0 g.
Total Carbs 25 g.
Sugars 25 g.
Sodium 0 mg. 0 mg.
Protein 0 g. 0

Sweettarts:

Dextrose, Maltodextrin, Malic Acid, and less than 2% of Magnesium Stearate, Articifical Flavors, Blue 1 Lake, Blue 2 Lake, Red 40 Lake, Yellow 5 Lake, Yellow 6 Lake.

Calories 50
Total Fat 0 g.
Total Carbs 12 g.
Sugars 11 g.
Sodium 0 mg.
Protein 0 g.
 
I tried to build a protein powder at protein factory and was able to match ProLab N Large II's price and content of maltodextrin and CFM whey.


Lewd

It would have been nice to get some maltodextrin for my carb up on my keto diet.
 
Hoffmeister said:
MS, you brought up something that's sort of been tickling at the back of my brain.

During the week, my diet is very clean on carbs. About 250 grams/day, almost all from oatmeal, whole bread brown rice, etc.

Weekends are a different story. I go through a bag of jelly beans, Spree, and some other hi-GI, no fat stuff.

This has worked great for fat loss, and seems to be working well for adding some mass now, too (really, too soon to tell on that yet).

But am I screwing myself with this? I know at times I get kind of zoned out on the weekends. Just wanted your thoughts.
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I have been on a diet consisting of clean low carbs during the week, fat coming from basically only flaxseed oil, and HIGH protein. On Sunday, i basically eat High carbs, moderate Protein, and not much fat at all. My results have been great, going on 3 weeks now. I have lost significant fat, and from what i can see lost minimal muscle, if any. I have lost about 8 lbs in 3 weeks. So from my personal experience carbing 1 day a week will not make you gain fat, acutaully like MS said just speed up you metabolism. Hope this helps.

PS: I have been using honey and oatmeal postworkout, and have NO complaints, I will begin using Dextrose to see if i can take my results further.

M56M
 
Tortilla chips are fat free and baked. They have about 27g of carbs per serving and only a gram or 2 is from sugars.

Nobody knows...? They have to be good for ya :D
 
You aint gonna eat the tortilla chips plain. So overall, theyre worthless if you eat them with nacho sauce or guacamole. It will all slow down digestion and you want FAST digesting carbs @ high GI and protein. The best protein I know of for this is whey, supped by maltodextrin or dextrose. Not tortilla chips with nacho sauce and sour cream.
 
M56M:

I wasn't questioning the results at all. That was exactly the diet I was on this spring/summer.

My question was regarding long-term effects to insulin sensitivity, your pancreas, etc.

ESQ:

I've just always used sweettarts/smarties.
 
Hoffmeister said:
M56M:

I wasn't questioning the results at all. That was exactly the diet I was on this spring/summer.

My question was regarding long-term effects to insulin sensitivity, your pancreas, etc.

ESQ:

I've just always used sweettarts/smarties.
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Oh i got you, i apologize for the misunderstanding, and actually thats a good question.

M56M
 
Hey guys, thanks for the nutritional info. In terms of high GI carbs and insulin resistance, I am not aware of any long term research that can answer that question. But from a demographic point of view it appears that high carbs are not all that bad as long as your fat intake is low. So the advice to separate your carb and fat intake is still the best advice I have heard. However I am in the 'over 40' age bracket so I am limiting my high GI carbs as a precaution. I should add that the cravings for sweet stuff really does drop off as you age. I think young and growing folks may have a real need for sweet (low fat) foods, but older (not growing very much :( ) people may do well to avoid these foods in excess. Just a hunch.....
 
LewdTenant said:
I tried to build a protein powder at protein factory and was able to match ProLab N Large II's price and content of maltodextrin and CFM whey.


Lewd

It would have been nice to get some maltodextrin for my carb up on my keto diet.
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Oops, I meant I was unable to match ProLab Nlarge II. So I got 3 10 lb'ers for my post workout drink. Maybe I will add one in the morning on a bulking cycle.
 
I'm assuming that you people are buying maltodextrins that are in straight-chain compositions and not ones that are branched chained. Simply put, straight chain maltodextrins have very high GI ratings as to where branched-chain maltodextrins have lower GI's. It may be of interest to make sure that you are getting the right maltodextrin mixtures to fit your needs. Also, when taking straight maltodextrin powder mix, supplement it with some sort of multimineral supplement to enhance its glycogen deposition.

MR. BMJ
 
This is all very interesting. But I'm not sure what maltodextrin and dextrose actually are, expcept for a powder that comes from some factory! (actually I can guess that dextrose is some kind of sugar). What kinds of natural foods are the origions of this wonder powder?

Just interested to understand more, sww
 
Maltodextrins are usually made from corn starch. A variety of enzymes are used to hydrolyze the starch into chains of dextrose (glucose) polymers. The enzyme used determines the branching (or lack of it) that MR BMJ referred to.

Dextrose (aka glucose) is a naturally occuring sugar found in many fruits and honey.

Good to see you on the boards again MR BMJ. Can you be more specific about the minerals required to reglycogenate the muscles?? I know that sodium and potassium are critical but are there others (Mg? Ca? Mn? Cr? Vn? ??)?
 
Thanks MS,

Would eating corn have the same effect? How much of it would be needed? From what's I've read on earlier posts, I have a feeling the answer might include something about the fibre getting in the way.......

sww
 
Corn is definitely not the same thing as maltodextrin. The GI of corn varies depending on the variety, the ripeness and how long it's been stored since picking, but usually doesn't go over 70. High fructose corn syrup can also be derived from corn, but it is also not the same as eating corn. It's kinda like asking if eating cheddar cheese is the same as using whey protein hydrolysate if ya know what I mean. They both come from milk, but are nutritionally very different......
 
"Good to see you on the boards again MR BMJ."

Hey thanks SIS!

"Can you be more specific about the minerals required to reglycogenate the muscles?? I know that sodium and potassium are critical but are there others (Mg? Ca? Mn? Cr? Vn? ??)? [/B][/QUOTE]

To be honost, I haven't really looked into which ones are best, but I see no reason why the ones you mentioned wouldn't help. I also have never used a maltodextrin as a postworkout drink since I get excellent results from both dextrose and sucrose (which are a lot easier to find). I expect that anything that is normally used to enhance the effects of Dextrose would also work for maltodextrin. I know Duchaine mentioned studies that showed supplementing maltodextrins with a multimenral salts supplement greatly enhanced it's effects. As to which ones, he didn't mention. I'm sure this is probably fairly easy to find out, I just have never looked into it. I'll see what I can find on this if i have time.
BMJ
 
I'm sorry i didn't read the whole thread because i'm at work. So what i was wondering was whether powder gatorade is good source for dextrose because that's what they use for their sugar ingredient. So for post workout i take two scoops, 5gram of creatine, and 5gram glutamine. then i take my 40gr of protein.
 
yeah dextrose is found in many sport drinks , but how are you gonna regulate the amount you take? it also contains sucrose I believe, and even if it doesn't , Im sure the carb count does not exceed 20g per bottle. I take in 80 g. 4 bottles gatorade is rather exhausting, but go ahead. Add some whey in as well.
 
25-30g of dextrose for me with post workout shake !

will be trying to get malto's after my dextroses' gone ...
 
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