Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below
napsgear
genezapharmateuticals
domestic-supply
puritysourcelabs
UGL OZ
UGFREAK
napsgeargenezapharmateuticals domestic-supplypuritysourcelabsUGL OZUGFREAK

I sincerely do not understand why the U.S. gives so much to Israel, please explain:

blank212 said:


The guy said if we had a muslim govt. we would give money to Arabs. I said we do give money to Arabs. Egypt, Jordan and Syria attacked Israel. The Arabs got all pissed off because they couldn't defeat a tiny little country and decided to stop the flow of oil. We have slowly but surely become less dependant on Arab oil and now get the most oil from Canada and Mexico. We brokered a piece deal with Israel, Jordan and Egypt. We have done more for the Arab world then any other country.

The US and the UK fought in Israel's place in those wars. Israel would not longer exist if it were not for The US painting its jets and tanks in the color of the Israeli army and fighting against the Arabs.

They give Egypt money to apologize for that fiasco.
 
2Thick said:


The US and the UK fought in Israel's place in those wars. Israel would not longer exist if it were not for The US painting its jets and tanks in the color of the Israeli army and fighting against the Arabs.

They give Egypt money to apologize for that fiasco.

I agree with the fact that they were using our military technology, but it was thier soldiers fighting.

We give money to everyone in order to acheive peace in the world.
 
BigPoppaDump said:
Name some, hell, name 2 jewish politicians with any political power in the US.. I don't believe Bush is Jewish..Clinton maybe?.The US and Israel have been allies for longer then most of us have been alive...

The US has a tendency to help out smaller, underdog type countries...And yes, the US does help Israel with weapons and technology..but don't count Israel short..If it weren't for the US working to keep the peace, Israel would be kickin some serious ass over there...Look at the size of Israel compared to it's enemies...hell, all of the middle east is Israels' enemy...Aint one of them that would mess with Israel without at least one other countrie's help...and Israel would still kick their asses...

I applaud Isreal...someone eff's with them and they start blowin shit up...

BPD

LOL

Sorry, but your argument doesn't hold ground.

Without the US in the picture, Israel is very much toast.

Name one army that has won a war ON FOUR FRONTS ......LOL

Fonz
 
Jews and Christians make up most of the US,
and these religions share a common belief in promises made by God to those who are faithful to him.
Many of those prophecies specifically relate to "end time" events when Israel is back in its land, and surrounded by enemies, and war is about to break out.
If the Bible is to be believed, and most Americans believe it can, you want to be on Israels side when war breaks out.
The Bible is very clear about a day when the Whole World is arrayed against Israel (possibly including the US), and Israel wins.
 
Last edited:
john937 said:
Jews and Christians make up most of the US,
and these religions share a common belief in promises made by God to those who are faithful to him.

Wrong.

Jews make us 2% of the US population (~5.5 million people)

Arabs make up 3% of the US population (~9.0 million people)

Jews just happen to have KEY positions of power in and influence. That is the difference.
 
Remove all the Jews from power, and the Christians would make the same decisions.
And these are the same conservative Christians that you Republicans just overwhelmingly returned to office,
so you can look forward to more of the same.

107th U.S. Congress, 2000

Catholic 150
Baptist 72
Methodist 65
Presbyterian 49
Episcopalian 41
Jewish 37
"nondenominational" Protestant 29
Lutheran 20
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint 16
United Church of Christ 8
None specified 7
Other 41

So if you removed the 37 Jews, 7 none specified, and 41 "other" you would still have a Congress dominated by more than 450 staunch Christians that are very unlikely to vote "pro-Arab".

http://www.adherents.com/adh_congress.html
 
Last edited:
Fonz said:


LOL

Sorry, but your argument doesn't hold ground.

Without the US in the picture, Israel is very much toast.

Name one army that has won a war ON FOUR FRONTS ......LOL

Fonz

No doubt Israel owe's a lot to the US but they are warriors..911? thats been going on in Israel since the UN granted them the land they currently occupy....

Why is it that my argument doesn't hold water? Examples?

Are you in Spain? I know you aren't commenting on American affairs if you are in Spain and aren't an American..if so I'd like to know why you feel you are qualified to do so?


BPD
 
BigPoppaDump said:


No doubt Israel owe's a lot to the US but they are warriors..911? thats been going on in Israel since the UN granted them the land they currently occupy....

Why is it that my argument doesn't hold water? Examples?

Are you in Spain? I know you aren't commenting on American affairs if you are in Spain and aren't an American..if so I'd like to know why you feel you are qualified to do so?


BPD

Your logic stupefies me.........

Let me get this straight:

Just because I'm not american doesn't give me the right to comment about your policies?

And yes, I'm spanish but currently residing in the US.

Anyways,

Anybody can comment on anything as long as they are intelligent
and informed.

And I'm both so there........... :)

Fonz
 
I have found that only jews defend Israel. Read the following:

The state of Israel can truly be described as a gigantic, swollen parasite fastened on the American people. Most Americans are not aware of how much money is poured from the US Treasury into Israel. According to former Congressman Paul Findley, "Each year, US aid to Israel exceeds that given to any other country. Since 1987 direct economic and military aid has annually totaled $3 billion or more. In addition, financial arrangements worked out solely for Israel bring the total to about $5 billion a year. This does not include such generous programs as the $10 billion loan guarantee granted Israel in 1992. US law provides for the termination of all aid, economic and military, to any nation that develops nuclear weapons or 'engages in a consistent pattern of gross violation of internationally recognized human rights.' For years, the US government has been aware of Israel's development of a nuclear arsenal and its persistent human rights violations. But no president or Congress has ever taken steps to terminate aid, as required by law, or even reduce it...."

According to information obtained by West Virginia Senator Robert Byrd, the total direct aid to Israel (again not counting many special deals, loans that are never paid back, tax breaks, etc.) by the end of 1991 added up to $53 billion. Adjusted for inflation, that figure would be much higher. From 1979 on the amount of money directly given to Israel totalled $40.1 billion. The amount given to Egypt, which in a way can also be considered aid to Israel since it is essentially a payoff to the Egyptian government in return for their subservience to Israeli domination in the Middle East, is the second largest amount given to any recipient. You may be surprised to learn that the total aid given to these two countries is more than that given to all other countries combined!

Now none of these figures include special low-interest loans made to Israel, many of them guaranteed by the US government. The $10 billion in loan guarantees made by US taxpayers to Israel is just one example of these loans. Now some of you might not know just what a loan guarantee is. What it means is this: If the government of Israel can't pay back its creditors on time, then the US taxpayer - that's me and you, my friend - foots the bill.

According to Paul Findley, "Since 1985 all US aid to Israel has been a grant, meaning that not a penny of it has to be repaid. [And w]hen Israel pays interest and principal on loans given before 1985, it does so with US tax dollars. This curious process began in 1984 when Democratic Senator Alan Cranston of California sponsored what became known as the Cranston amendment. It stipulates that economic aid to Israel each year will be at least equal to its annual repayments (principal and interest) of its debt to the United States. In the wry words of then Secretary of State James A. Baker III in testimony before the Senate in 1992, ...'we can always pay ourselves back with the money that we appropriate for Israel to do so.'

"The effect of this amendment is to guarantee that Israel will always receive enough US aid to cover its debt obligations. In actual practice, Congress always awards Israel funds far in excess of these obligations. No other country enjoys such an arrangement."
 
I see, Spanish...I served on a Nato base in Spain...I remember there being a big socialist/communist movement there..when I was there...

Usually when people bash the US and its foreign policies they are just frustrated at how good we have it and how horrible their own country is...But quite honestly I don't believe that is the case with you because I happened to enjoy Spain...It's a beautiful country..but you are here, so I would guess you are doing/after something that you couldn't get in your own country...probably work or an education..

Anyway, I would feel out of place bashing another country/their foreign policies (or it's allies) that I was a guest in...If you don't like what we stand for then I would recommend you leave and go to a country who's political views you agree with..in your case may I suggest Syria?? Or maybe Iraq would be more to your liking? Well, may not be a good time to go there as Iraq may be in Asia before too long..

Fortunately/hopefully, you aren't an American citizen so you don't have any say in American policy..

Damn, foriegners...their own countries are a mess and they're gonna tell us how to fix ours..

BPD
 
Top Bottom