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velvett

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I am complete torn about this - I knew it would be a difficult job but I got off on the challenge and if I walk away I'll feel like I've failed but I can no longer take the abuse and the pathological lying from this man.

To add he owes me money which I will never see and he will surely bad mouth me to save face.

I'm totally bound mentally about this and the stress is sucking me dry.

:worried:
 
OH!! I wish I could do that right now.... If I wouldn't be costing my company one of it's most influential clients and probably get my ass sued for millions, I would kick the living crap out of this prick... Why do the super rich have to be such egomaniacal pricks?
 
Boy, when I owned my own biz, I went through this all the time. It's never easy. Walking away from abuse is never a failure. You gain strength from doing the "right thing", so get out there and fire his butt!
 
blueta2 said:
Boy, when I owned my own biz, I went through this all the time. It's never easy. Walking away from abuse is never a failure. You gain strength from doing the "right thing", so get out there and LICK his butt!
Wow - I like the way you think.
 
blueta2 said:
Boy, when I owned my own biz, I went through this all the time. It's never easy. Walking away from abuse is never a failure. You gain strength from doing the "right thing", so get out there and fire his butt!


Should I try and get the 8k he owes me first - I just cut my loses?

I mean WTF is wrong with me - he's the ass and I feel like I'll be the loser if I cut him lose.
 
velvett said:
Should I try and get the 8k he owes me first - I just cut my loses?

I mean WTF is wrong with me - he's the ass and I feel like I'll be the loser if I cut him lose.
It can't hurt to try and get the money before you fire him. But to try and chase it down after the fact will be damn near impossible.

Life's to short to have to deal with people like that.
 
velvett said:
I am complete torn about this - I knew it would be a difficult job but I got off on the challenge and if I walk away I'll feel like I've failed but I can no longer take the abuse and the pathological lying from this man.

To add he owes me money which I will never see and he will surely bad mouth me to save face.

I'm totally bound mentally about this and the stress is sucking me dry.

:worried:
sounds like my last relationship. :worried:



i hope it works out for you. deep breaths...try not to let the bobo get to you.
 
velvett said:
they're at the dry cleaners....






















now STFU and help me here - I ask for much
i really hate you weak stomached overly capitalistic american fucks. i love opportunities to rip someone apart like a pack of dogs do a hobo in a park. the first time is always the hardest. but after that, it's cake. you gonna let this fuckstick walk, and do nothing? time for you to stand up, even though it'll seperate you from your nice, comfortable herd.
 
HumanTarget said:
i really hate you weak stomached overly capitalistic american fucks. i love opportunities to rip someone apart like a pack of dogs do a hobo in a park. the first time is always the hardest. but after that, it's cake. you gonna let this fuckstick walk, and do nothing? time for you to stand up, even though it'll seperate you from your nice, comfortable herd.


ouuu this is actually helpful...

got more?
 
velvett said:
Should I try and get the 8k he owes me first - I just cut my loses?

I mean WTF is wrong with me - he's the ass and I feel like I'll be the loser if I cut him lose.

Yes, for sure you need to get that. If the amount was min. I would say count your losses.
Be very firm and show no emotion. Tell him you are terminating this working relationship b/c it's just not working out and then advise him he has 10 days to pay you the money he owes you.
See what his response is. If he goes nuts, then just calmly say, thank you and have a nice day.
Then get a lawyers letter off to him.
I've had to go to court to sue my clients for non payment. One guy owned us 75 grand. He got off only paying 50 grand plus the loss of my court and lawyer fees, but it was worth it.
Never let anyone step on your toes.
Nothing wrong with you....You're just thinking with your emotions. We all do that.
 
HumanTarget said:
i really hate you weak stomached overly capitalistic american fucks. i love opportunities to rip someone apart like a pack of dogs do a hobo in a park. the first time is always the hardest. but after that, it's cake. you gonna let this fuckstick walk, and do nothing? time for you to stand up, even though it'll seperate you from your nice, comfortable herd.

I agree, but in a more delicate way.....

man!
 
blueta2 said:
Yes, for sure you need to get that. If the amount was min. I would say count your losses.
Be very firm and show no emotion. Tell him you are terminating this working relationship b/c it's just not working out and then advise him he has 10 days to pay you the money he owes you.
See what his response is. If he goes nuts, then just calmly say, thank you and have a nice day.
Then get a lawyers letter off to him.
I've had to go to court to sue my clients for non payment. One guy owned us 75 grand. He got off only paying 50 grand plus the loss of my court and lawyer fees, but it was worth it.
Never let anyone step on your toes.
Nothing wrong with you....You're just thinking with your emotions. We all do that.

:)
Thanks for that.
All of it.

:rose:
 
How is it that YOU are feeling badly for wanting to cut this wanker loose?

Get the money and be forcefull about it. Refer it to a collections agency after "X" amount of time and whether you get your money or not they will have to put up with the headache. At year's end if you dont get it, you have an 8K tax right off.... do you not?

When my ex and I were self-employed and he got a bit saavy to who the wankers were going to be ahead of time we just priced the jobs so outrageously high that IF we got the job then the financial gain outweighed the wanker-factor.

FUCK HIM. :)
 
you know the most embarrassing thing i ever did to a client or business associate? i refused to shake his hand after a long, complicated ordeal that he drew out for a long time.....actually, what i said is: "i don't want to shake your fucking hand, that shows too much repsect, which i have none for you. be glad you got eye contact from me."
 
velvett said:
:)
Thanks for that.
All of it.

:rose:

Welcome....and keep in mind, Real jerks are usually powerless and have weak characters. Bullies, when confronted, back down.
You can do this.....
 
BIKINIMOM said:
How is it that YOU are feeling badly for wanting to cut this wanker loose?

I don't know - that's what has got me reeling - I have nagging in the back of my mind that I'm just being soft/weak even though rationally I know this man doesn't deserve to breath the air around me.
 
Should I try and get the 8k he owes me first - I just cut my loses?

Fire him then and sue him, simultaneously, Once you sue him he has to hire a lawyer to talk to your lawyer,

Just reminds him of what being a pricks is all about, maybe will think twice next time.


But you can kiss the 8 grand goodbye.
 
HumanTarget said:
you know the most embarrassing thing i ever did to a client or business associate? i refused to shake his hand after a long, complicated ordeal that he drew out for a long time.....actually, what i said is: "i don't want to shake your fucking hand, that shows too much repsect, which i have none for you. be glad you got eye contact from me."

ou nice one
 
velvett said:
I am complete torn about this - I knew it would be a difficult job but I got off on the challenge and if I walk away I'll feel like I've failed but I can no longer take the abuse and the pathological lying from this man.

To add he owes me money which I will never see and he will surely bad mouth me to save face.

I'm totally bound mentally about this and the stress is sucking me dry.

:worried:

you've given yourself enuff reasons to can him. If he wants to blame - he's got noone to blame but hijmself. Make sure you tell him about this.

I've seen people canned for MUCH less.

and tke that 'doormat' sign off your head. No one owes me money, and continues to do business with me. no way jose.

r
 
velvett said:
I don't know - that's what has got me reeling - I have nagging in the back of my mind that I'm just being soft/weak even though rationally I know this man doesn't deserve to breath the air around me.

you're not being soft or weak, you're being cautious. When you get screwed over enough, trust me, this feeling you have now will not exist!
Do your first "kill", all the others get easier after. This world is a harsh place filled with unkind ppl.
 
Razorguns said:
and tke that 'doormat' sign off your head. r

Thanks.
Sometimes I just really need a good kick in the ass to set me straight.
I should have vented earlier.

The only good thing is that I have/own all the drawings to a house he wants to build and he has a deadline to get the drawings to the town and to the bank so he will either have to pay me to get them or hire someone else and start over.

So I do get a bit of pleasure from that.
:evil:

All in all I would lose 1,250 if he chose to pay me for those drawings which are to be finsihed this wednesday and I can live with that - I can also live a total loss know he'll have to hire someone else and start over.
 
velvett said:
I am complete torn about this - I knew it would be a difficult job but I got off on the challenge and if I walk away I'll feel like I've failed but I can no longer take the abuse and the pathological lying from this man.

To add he owes me money which I will never see and he will surely bad mouth me to save face.

I'm totally bound mentally about this and the stress is sucking me dry.

:worried:

Bad clients are worse than no clients. I've done that in the past. Firing a client ain't easy but it's something you need to do sometimes.
 
Bad clients?

Almost all of them find a way to become a pain.

You have to release the worse ones. Or hammer their bill and make them release you. This way, you will both be relieved when the letter arrives.
 
This used to happen to me lots, Velvett. I also had to worry about the judge approving the withdrawal of representation, etc. Why the hell are you hanging in there? Let me get this right, he is a jerk, the work is difficult, and he isn't paying you in a timely fashion. Usually, when I got stuck with a client that I didn't want it was because they either pulled at my heartstrings or they were paying too well for me to turn away.

Kick that ass to the curb. ;-)
 
Unless you are a person who is very focused on just doing the business, i.e. "its a job", it can be as hard as you are feeling it is to make a decision with working with this guy. That also shows that you put a part of yourself into each job you have because you feel your work represents yourself, your talent and your integrity. But if this guy is lying, what the hell? You accepted the job to do a job, not to be his slave or to have to put up with his shit.

I would look at it from the point of view that it is still a job and you are in business to do what you do - not accommodate this guy's atttitude. I'd be sure to first get all the paperwork in order as if you were building a case to go to court, and then look at where the project is as far as what remains to be done, any outstanding decisions and basically anything that can be recovered at this point. If there things that have been being dragged out, can you lock them down and just get the job done?

I guess I"m looking for things that can be saved and completed, any points of conflict that just aren't getting resolved and can they, and then just be done w/ the situation. Its in teh guy's best interest to get the work completed so anything he's doing to drag it out is impacting your ability to complete the work per the original agreement as well as possibly impacting the rest of your business. How much of what he's arguing about is outside the scope of your original agreement?

If things just can't be resolved, then, make sure your paperwork is in order if you need to go to court. Get pictures of everything :)

Good luck.

It does suck moose balls but it is still a business agreement and really shouldn't be turned into a big personal thing that tests your confidence in yourself -- this could be a "typical" client for what you do so the best thing you can do is develop an approach to handle it reasonably for both you and the client and move on.
 
good luck with it velvett. i say get the money owed for sure.
 
velvett said:
I really can not thank all of you enough - I am really touched by a lot of these responses.


I'll try and capture the expression on his face when he hits the curb.
;)
don't muck this up, Vel. we're all watching. just pretend i'm standing behind you.....
 
I am in a better position now with my clients that I have started firing them and or raising there prices based on the amount of stress level they cause me there pricing increases. There is a couple ways to approach things 1) be direct and tell them look it seems that I am not providing you with what you need perhaps you should find someone else to take over. (This is the break up dating equivalent of it is not you it is me but really it is them ;) ) Option 2) is raising the prices tell him you have to go back and requote his project as there has been a cost of goods increase on something’s he is looking at then increase the price by no less then 20% and see what he does.
 
I think at the end of the day the thing that will make you the most satisfied is knowing that you handled the situation with the utmost professionalism and respect for both yourself and your client. (Yourself first, but just treat the guy as a client, no more, no less.)
 
The worst issue I'd have with firing someone (who deserved it) would be knowing there's a distinct possibility they'll retaliate like a little bitch somehow, perhaps on my business, personal property, etc.
 
I say record him for a while first so when he tries and save face by being a liar you can call him out! You should call Vinny Parco P.I.!
 
How long has he owed you this money? If it's the main reason you're wanting to fire him, give him an ultimatum and if he still doesn't come through then you could always take merciless legal action. I'd try to get the money back if it's at all possible.
 
Send him a certified letter stating you have tried to satisfy his request but in the best interest of both parties, you should each move on. Tell him the easiest way to separate is to even up the bill.

If he refuses to pay, I would use a 50 cal rifle on him

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rykertest said:
so how did it go?

Oh he's on a golf outing - can't get to him before Monday.
:rolleyes:

To answer Hansel - not very long 2 weeks this Friday but long enough.

I have his drawings which he needs on Monday.

Need and want sometimes work well together.
 
watch or read American Psycho a couple dozen times and get yourself a fire axe and a rain slicker. you'll be so ready....
 
velvett said:
Oh he's on a golf outing - can't get to him before Monday.
:rolleyes:

To answer Hansel - not very long 2 weeks this Friday but long enough.

I have his drawings which he needs on Monday.

Need and want sometimes work well together.
Ah, if he needs them badly enough, he may come up with the $$$ he owes you. =-)
 
velvett said:
I am complete torn about this - I knew it would be a difficult job but I got off on the challenge and if I walk away I'll feel like I've failed but I can no longer take the abuse and the pathological lying from this man.

To add he owes me money which I will never see and he will surely bad mouth me to save face.

I'm totally bound mentally about this and the stress is sucking me dry.

:worried:


as always i recommend hot sweaty sex with me of course :p
 
velvett said:
Oh he's on a golf outing - can't get to him before Monday.
:rolleyes:

To answer Hansel - not very long 2 weeks this Friday but long enough.

I have his drawings which he needs on Monday.

Need and want sometimes work well together.


Make him beg. He'll have to pay you first or get fired later.
 
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