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AFball1105

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I'm looking into taking some Deca and Winn. I'm 19, 5'9'', and 160lbs. I bench 350lbs and am looking for a solid increase. I've taken many different supplements before, but I'm looking for something a little more potent. A Deca/Winn cycle seems like a positive route to follow. I CAN get Deca and Winn but not much else (any suggested sources to obtain others?)... so I'm trying to make the best of it. What can I expect from this combination? And what is a suggested cycle? Keep in mind that these products are going to be in pill form and are not injectible. Also, please try to speak with as little abbreviations as possible.
 
1. dont ask for sources
2. get NPP instead of deca (short acting form)

Deca only comes in an injectable (so if someone offers you "pill deca" they are scammers)

at 19 you should spend time researching more before you consider a cycle. At the very least you should know more about the compounds you are considering. ie if you did not know that deca is an injectable with near zero oral bioavailability you are probably not well informed enough. most will reccomend that you not cycle at all until you are older.
 
also deca/ winstrol is generally not the best stack for most people and is highly suppressive of the HPGA (the system that controls testosterone production)
 
The biggest mistake I did was to start cycling at 18 years old PLEASE dont do the same!
Eat, sleep, train heavy and when u REALLY feel u hit a plateau u can think about doing a cycle.
 
19 is a *very* nasty time to start cycling for a lot of very legitimate, well-understood scientific reasons.

Not going to outline them here due to the risk that you've already made your mind up and that I'd just be wasting keystrokes.

Wait till you are a bit older or you may very well mess some things up.
 
macrophage69alpha said:
1. dont ask for sources
2. get NPP instead of deca (short acting form)

Deca only comes in an injectable (so if someone offers you "pill deca" they are scammers)

at 19 you should spend time researching more before you consider a cycle. At the very least you should know more about the compounds you are considering. ie if you did not know that deca is an injectable with near zero oral bioavailability you are probably not well informed enough. most will reccomend that you not cycle at all until you are older.
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Well said...... :coffee:
 
deca comes in pills?

dont do steroids at your age. And I doubt you can bench more than twice your weight.
 
he is very young yes. but like most, if he has his mind set, he wont be swayed.
that being said, deca/ winny are good together.
if he's never used gear before he should see good gains off of deca at 300mg/week for about 12weeks. i would run the winny for a month in the beginning, then take 6 weeks off, then run the winny again about week 10 and run it for another month. of course this is the condensed version of a cycle, but you guys get the idea.
there are many other things to consider such as ancillaries, gyno, deca dick etc....
 
If your source is trying to sell you deca in pill form then don"t buy anything from him because he is gonna scam you.You need to research more before you think about gear or you will be taken advantage of or mess yourself up.You are young and if you are serious about lifting then you have plenty of time.READ UP.
 
im not s'pposed to do this, but you seem like a good kid-if you need a source, than i got your back. look in the back of any muscle mag and you'll see a company thats makes 'winny v' its the best. good luck. :rainbow:
 
AFball1105 said:
I'm looking into taking some Deca and Winn. I'm 19, 5'9'', and 160lbs. I bench 350lbs and am looking for a solid increase. I've taken many different supplements before, but I'm looking for something a little more potent. A Deca/Winn cycle seems like a positive route to follow. I CAN get Deca and Winn but not much else (any suggested sources to obtain others?)... so I'm trying to make the best of it. What can I expect from this combination? And what is a suggested cycle? Keep in mind that these products are going to be in pill form and are not injectible. Also, please try to speak with as little abbreviations as possible.
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pill form deca.is this something new that no one knows about.
 
there has been oral preparations of nandrolone that were manufactured at one point..unsure of what phase of testing they were dropped at though..i cant remember the ester or ether off hand..it has been a while
 
"Oral Deca" would possibly translate to something like Nilevar (17a-ethyl-19-nor-testosterone). It's an oral derivative of nandrolone, which has been made oral by the addition of the c17 alpha ethyl group.
 
lanky is referring to to something like ether bound nandrolone, which would increase its oral bioavailability but not change the structure and thus activity.

Nilevar has a different activity from nandrolone as does methylated nandrolone that was being sold as a prohormone.
 
i was 510 at the age of 18, grew to 6 3 and a half by 22. i highly advise you do not do steroids. regardless. you will probably get deca dick, not to mention you are still developing so you will shut down your testosterone and possibly do irreversible damage to your libido and sexual abilities. my best friend is 205 and benches 475-500 but he has been doing var and winny for years and he is 205 single digit bf, which makes him a beast. it is possible for him to be that strong but i highly doubt it. if you want to have sex when you are older i'd wait, also there is no deca pills so we can speculate all you want, there are no labs producing such a thing. if you are really putting up 350 at that weight you don't need steroids anyway
 
I suppose someone may have made an oral with a long estered nandrolone in a capsule (like Andriol) . I don't know of this appearing on the market though, in anything resembling mass quantities. The longer esters increase fat-solubility, so you can actually dump nandrolone bound to such an ester into some oleic acid (or something similar), and put it all into a gel cap....that would theoretically be oral nandrolone. But the only mass produced nandrolone-esque-derived oral I can really think of is (the now discontinued) Nilevar.
 
some of the chinese were making the ether version, but it never seemed to appear on the US market. even if it had, its short half life would have made it relatively inneffectual.

nilevar is probably the most similar nandrolone, though its activity is not the same
 
macrophage69alpha said:
lanky is referring to to something like ether bound nandrolone, which would increase its oral bioavailability but not change the structure and thus activity.

Nilevar has a different activity from nandrolone as does methylated nandrolone that was being sold as a prohormone.
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it is a shame they banned the andro products..i should have tried the 17 alpha methyl 4 hydroxy nandrolone MOHN..when it was out..

thanks macro and roberts for trying to kickstart my memory on this one..i now remember there being an oral nandrolone ester in oil,,i cant remember the other one off hand..maybe a cyclopentyl ether,or some other weird configuration of an ether on Carbon 1 or 2(i remember seeing that somewhere, i think it was for an androstane though)

i need to get some sleep
 
This kid aint getting the oral deca AR and Macro is talking about. Prob just getting ripped off.

I started at 19 and dot regret it. I was done growing for the most part and had been lifting for about 3.5 years. But unless you are mature and ready for something as serious as fucking with hormones dont do it. Do some research and know what you are at least talking about. But by your first post you dont. Dont go doing shit you have no idea what it is or what its doing to you. And dont lie about what you bench, its just is another reason for people to make fun of you.
 
perhaps you meant this one-- run out and sign up for clinical trials :)

Endocrinology. 2006 Jun;147(6):3016-26. Epub 2006 Feb 23. Links
Dimethandrolone undecanoate: a new potent orally active androgen with progestational activity.Attardi BJ, Hild SA, Reel JR.
Molecular Endocrinology Laboratory, BIOQUAL, Inc., Rockville, Maryland 20850, USA. [email protected]

Dimethandrolone (DMA), the 17beta-undecanoic acid ester of dimethandrolone (DMAU; 7alpha,11beta-dimethyl-19-nortestosterone) is a potent androgen currently in development for therapeutic uses in men. Cleavage of the 17beta-ester bond liberates the biologically active DMA. In this study we investigated the activity of DMAU and DMA both in vivo and in vitro. DMAU was active orally in castrate rat bioassays, and when administered sc, a single dose produced prolonged androgenic activity and suppression of LH with sustained circulating levels of DMA. DMA, other 19-norandrogens, and C-19 androgens bound to recombinant rat androgen receptor with high affinity and were equipotent in stimulating luciferase activity (EC50, 10(-10) -10(-9) M) in CV-1 cells cotransfected with a human androgen receptor expression vector and a luciferase reporter plasmid with three hormone response elements. Because various 19-norandrogens are also known to bind to progestin receptors (PR) and to possess progestational activity in vivo, we evaluated the binding affinity of DMA for rabbit PR and recombinant human PR-A and PR-B and its ability to induce PR-mediated transcription and endogenous alkaline phosphatase activity in T47DCO human breast cancer cells. DMA and related 19-norandrogens bound with high affinity to both rabbit and human PR, whereas the less active 11alpha-methyl stereoisomer of DMA and C-19 androgens showed low or negligible binding to PR. In T47DCO cells, 10(-8) M DMA and other 19-norandrogens stimulated transcription of a progestin/glucocorticoid/androgen response element-thymidine kinase-luciferase reporter plasmid to the same extent as R5020, the potent progestin promegestone (EC50, approximately 10(-9) M), but C-19 androgens had no effect. Antiprogestins were potent inhibitors of transactivation and alkaline phosphatase activity induced by DMA and other 19-norandrogens in T47DCO cells, whereas antiandrogens were weak inhibitors. DMA and DMAU also exhibited dose-dependent progestational activity in the estrogen-primed immature female rabbit, as assessed by induction of endometrial gland arborization. The dual androgenic and progestational activities of DMA make it a potential candidate for a single-agent male contraceptive as well as for androgen therapy in men, pending a successful outcome of pharmacokinetic and toxicity studies currently in progress.
 
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