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I need some help bro's, my wife had cheated on me.

TxArmyGuy said:
Fuck that shit man...Seriously Who in their RIGHT mind would WANT to stay married with someone that could do such a thing...You people can say what you want, but to me it's a Black or white issue...YOU do it your wrong END OF STORY.

whole heartedly agree with Tx here. Its a matter of trust, she broke it and now she comes clean and the world is supposed to just turn upside and tell her "oh its alright we all make mistakes...blah blah blah" bullshit. If you truely love and truely care for another person enough to be there wife and life partner then there is NO excuse for her actions and not a word out of her mouth could be ever trusted again. Thus ending the relationship. The kids will deal just like the thousands of kids whose parents divorce every year. Marriage is becoming as much a lost art as romance it seems. Im sure someone will come up with the "well i bet you think its ok for a guy to cheat on his wife" arguement to which i will reply: NO its not okay by either people.

She had a choice, she was tested and she failed the test, miserably and if you want to know the truth it sounds to some extent like you are in denial, SIX MONTHS is a long time, its not just a single night, but either way it still was done and that is unexcuseable.....
 
Baoh said:


You make the implication that his actions caused hers. Personal choice remains in existence. What he did did not make her do what she did. She made her do what she did.

Actions and choices are personal, no one, unless by force, does not choose their actions. Actions don't "just happen", they are concepts of volition. That being said, you cannot find anywhere in my posts the absolution of her actions. She chose them and she saw them to completion. I can almost guarantee, Spectre's wife has told him, she doesn't know how it happened, it just happened. She will rationalize her actions to ease the pain that she has inflicted on her family and herself. But this guilt is good, if she uses it to guide her future actions, to understand that nothing "good" came from these actions.

My discussion is that of the idea of marriage, and does it hold personal value. If it has no personal value, if a spouse is not worth forgiveness for transgressions, then by all means divorce away, but then why be married? If the idea of marriage is important, then does it not acknowledge the idea of repair, when it fails? If you want to win a war, do you surrender with the first casualty? No. Because the goal is what you desire. Will you become happy through divorce? Will you have learned something valuable about marriage by the act of dissolving it, or is the idea of retreat superior to effort? If one does forgive and is again deceived, then no one, but most importantly you, can say that you did not try. But you cannot know if it can be fixed, if you don't try, and to try is to understand the ideas of the goal. What is the goal of marriage? Isn't it personal happiness? If it is happiness, then how will the divorce of one and the remarriage to another obtain happiness if the first marriage could not? People can't give you happiness, it is derived from individual action. If you don't assess your actions and the situations, then you are most likely to fail again. What will you do with a second marriage, different, that you could not do with the first? Pick a "better" spouse? How do you discern this? If you are simply getting married and "hoping" that it will work, then it will fail, because you have failed before you started. Do you go to the gym with the "hopes" that you will get bigger and stronger? If you fail in these "hopes" do you go to another gym, in the pursuit of your hopes?

His wife made the choice of infidelity, and with it created a nightmare for themselves, but she also made the choice to remain married to him, to not leave for the other person. This has significance. Her personal pleasure, whatever she derived from this person, was not strong enough to pull her from what Spectre has provided her and what she has invested into her marriage. From what has been written, she is not demanding a divorce, but the request of atonement and forgiveness. Isn't the idea of husband/father that of the pillar of the family, the steadfast person for support and guidance in times of despair? These are the times of despair, now act, don't react. Emotions are temporary, with no actions directed towards them, they dissipate. The hate and anger will subside if allowed and happiness can be restored if the two come together and work toward this goal. The memories of the events, will never leave, but they are reminders of that which did not produce happiness, only pain.


Your reason for responding is likely born of guilt for having made such a trangression in the past. Defend and deny, if you so choose. It won't make you correct.

Spectre is walking a path that I have already walked. I do not envy him.
 
atlantabiolab said:


Actions and choices are personal, no one, unless by force, does not choose their actions. Actions don't "just happen", they are concepts of volition. That being said, you cannot find anywhere in my posts the absolution of her actions. She chose them and she saw them to completion. I can almost guarantee, Spectre's wife has told him, she doesn't know how it happened, it just happened. She will rationalize her actions to ease the pain that she has inflicted on her family and herself. But this guilt is good, if she uses it to guide her future actions, to understand that nothing "good" came from these actions.

My discussion is that of the idea of marriage, and does it hold personal value. If it has no personal value, if a spouse is not worth forgiveness for transgressions, then by all means divorce away, but then why be married? If the idea of marriage is important, then does it not acknowledge the idea of repair, when it fails? If you want to win a war, do you surrender with the first casualty? No. Because the goal is what you desire. Will you become happy through divorce? Will you have learned something valuable about marriage by the act of dissolving it, or is the idea of retreat superior to effort? If one does forgive and is again deceived, then no one, but most importantly you, can say that you did not try. But you cannot know if it can be fixed, if you don't try, and to try is to understand the ideas of the goal. What is the goal of marriage? Isn't it personal happiness? If it is happiness, then how will the divorce of one and the remarriage to another obtain happiness if the first marriage could not? People can't give you happiness, it is derived from individual action. If you don't assess your actions and the situations, then you are most likely to fail again. What will you do with a second marriage, different, that you could not do with the first? Pick a "better" spouse? How do you discern this? If you are simply getting married and "hoping" that it will work, then it will fail, because you have failed before you started. Do you go to the gym with the "hopes" that you will get bigger and stronger? If you fail in these "hopes" do you go to another gym, in the pursuit of your hopes?

His wife made the choice of infidelity, and with it created a nightmare for themselves, but she also made the choice to remain married to him, to not leave for the other person. This has significance. Her personal pleasure, whatever she derived from this person, was not strong enough to pull her from what Spectre has provided her and what she has invested into her marriage. From what has been written, she is not demanding a divorce, but the request of atonement and forgiveness. Isn't the idea of husband/father that of the pillar of the family, the steadfast person for support and guidance in times of despair? These are the times of despair, now act, don't react. Emotions are temporary, with no actions directed towards them, they dissipate. The hate and anger will subside if allowed and happiness can be restored if the two come together and work toward this goal. The memories of the events, will never leave, but they are reminders of that which did not produce happiness, only pain.




Spectre is walking a path that I have already walked. I do not envy him.



Your advice only serves to extend her tether and set the stage for further pain inflicted upon Spectre.
 
YOU SHOULD JUST DO LIKE THAT GUY WHO PUT HIS WIFE ON A CHAIN. YEAH, CHAIN THAT BITCH UP. IF SHE WANTS TO ACT LIKE A DOG AND ROAM THE SCREETS AND FUCK, THEN TREAT HER LIKE A DOG. CHAIN HER ASS UP.





KAYNE
 
Baoh said:


I'm glad you are getting things squared away. Financially, I mean. Also, work with a divorce lawyer ASAP. Get things rolling and dominate the situation.

However, the act of counseling here is not necessary. If it costs money or time, it is costing too much. No need for counseling to "learn" anything. You have been wronged, and you didn't do anything to bring this upon yourself. She was wrong. There's no rationalizing that FACT away. You were working. Providing. What did you get? Think about that, in case you haven't.

Poker, it may be, but you have no need for counseling. It could sway you over time, and to have you lose sight of what should be done would be an utter tragedy.

One of my fears is getting softned over time by this process. I keep this in mind.
 
alantabiolab: thanks for your words, it's a big help.

Guys; think of a few things for momment and don't mistake me for 'giving in' or 'being soft'. She has been living with some heavy guilt for along while now (It showed), she does not want me to go without a doubt. She is not placing the blame on me, she stepped up to the plate. Some big key factors if I should decide to stay.

Besides; most women are so jacked in the head you would be trading one set of issues for another. < my attempt to keep it lite.

Baoh: I understand what your saying and the future risks. I have written down what goals needed to be meet for Spectre to stay around. Yes I could get whacked again, but then I walk cleanly with my kids and concious and I go to sleep at night.
 
Baoh said:




Your advice only serves to extend her tether and set the stage for further pain inflicted upon Spectre.

There is not much more that she can do to hurt him. The hurt is derived from the shock of awareness of a hidden situation. It is no longer hidden and he now has the foresight of what might occur. He can now assess the various possibilities of events to come; the hurt will be much less now.
 
Havn't really got any solid advice on the decision that you have to make. (Plus I know nothing about relationships)

I do however advise you to do some research on body language and how to tell when someone is lying. This way, if you ask her direct questions that put her on the spot, you should immediately be able to know whether or not she is telling the truth.

This may sound a bit bogus, but there are most likely very obvious signals that will tell you whether your wife is lying.

It helps me everyday anyway.

Good luck.
 
Spectre:

There are some real douchebags on this thread who are basically using it as a platform to announce their own ignorance and hatred of women. Perhaps they have been wronged in the past. Perhaps they are 19-year-old juiceheads just acting out. Perhaps they're just plain dumb.

I can tell that you are a mature guy who has a handle on things and knows how to weigh the rights and the wrongs.

You are doing fine. And that part about trading one set of issues for another WAS pretty funny. And true......
 
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