I need help with my cycle please

[JujitsuMaster]

Hey guys, Well 'm going to start off by still saying that i'm novice to steroids because I'm planning my 2nd cycle.

My first cycle was about 2 years ago, i was younger and wanted to look shredded so i did a cutting cycle, but a year after that i just wanted to grow. I did a bulker with PH's it worked out well. I like where I'm at now but i think i could be a bit bigger , nevertheless i want to cut now.

here are my stats

27 yrs old
currently 203lbs
17-19% bf (due to bulking)
7 years of lifting experience

When i bulked i started on a clean diet but then i pretty much ate all the time(3-4k cals daily) but i still kept it on high protein and moderate fat.

I have currently Test prop, test enan, winstrol(injectable) and with my order i received dbol(enough for 6 weeks at 50mg if i desire)

I was thinking of using it all (yes i know that dbol is not used for cutting and i wish to cut, but i was thinking of adding it to the beginning of my cycle for added mass seeing that i have it anyways, please note i have never used winstrol or dbol)

wk 1-6 D-bol (25mgs/ED)
wk 1-5 Test Prop (100mg/EOD)
wk 1-10 Test Enan (250mg/wk)
wk 5-10 Winstrol Depo (50mg/EOD)

This is what i think is best but here is where i leave it to you guys to critic this cycle and if you want alter the dose or do what you see fit to make it better. I will also be taking in less calories a day (around 1500-1900). Also i have nolva and some other ai's/serms for pct and hcg. But with this cycle if someone can help me with PCT because i do not know how to set it up properly. If you need guys need more information let me know.

thanks- JJ

 

[RADAR]

Thats a decent 3rd cycle, The Dbol is low enough so i see no issues running winni at the finish.

Be sure to have Arimidex for Bloat,and PCT Light nova along with Unleashed & HGRegenerate

RADAR

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Thats a decent 3rd cycle, The Dbol is low enough so i see no issues running winni at the finish.

Be sure to have Arimidex for Bloat,and PCT Light nova along with Unleashed & HGRegenerate

RADAR

You mean HCGenerate? Needto's product right?

 

[JujitsuMaster]

thanks for the feedback, at least i know its a sound cycle. Right now i have 14mgs of arimidex, 1000mg of nolva and hcg. Do you think i can use that as pct? or would i have to buys needto's products as well? also can someone help me with an hcg protocol?

 

[st8grad]

Looks solid. You can cut on dbol. You could move the winny to weeks 7-12 so that you are running it as the T-E is coming out of your system. Bring your calories slowly back to normal during those last two weeks.

 

[RADAR]

You mean HCGenerate? Needto's product right?

Yes,sorry about the typo

RADAR

 

[RADAR]

thanks for the feedback, at least i know its a sound cycle. Right now i have 14mgs of arimidex, 1000mg of nolva and hcg. Do you think i can use that as pct? or would i have to buys needto's products as well? also can someone help me with an hcg protocol?

You can get by on the its just Unleashed /HCgenerate makes a much softer landing.


RADAR

 

[JujitsuMaster]

You can get by on the its just Unleashed /HCgenerate makes a much softer landing.


RADAR

ok all use that along with it then, can you possibly help me with a PCT setup, as in what dose and how many days do i take what. also again how do i take HCG? i did some reading and some guys take it during cycle some after with pct. So i'm conflicted and confused on what to do.

 

[JujitsuMaster]

Looks solid. You can cut on dbol. You could move the winny to weeks 7-12 so that you are running it as the T-E is coming out of your system. Bring your calories slowly back to normal during those last two weeks.

would that be more effective? if you could explain please

 

[JujitsuMaster]

bump for some more answers, i don't want to start until i get a good pct regimen(i have arimidex and nolva) and how would i go about dosing HCG? should i use it during cycle or during pct.

 

[realsexy022]

bump for some more answers, i don't want to start until i get a good pct regimen(i have arimidex and nolva) and how would i go about dosing HCG? should i use it during cycle or during pct.

I would say run it on cycle.Start it about 2 weeks into your cycle to be more specific. Now, I'm no expert but a lot of people are saying hcg while on cycle is great. I've also heard people running it during cycle AND during pct. I would say start the hcg about 2 weeks into your cycle, and do 250iu's 2x week(every 3.5 days, as in monday morning, thursday afternoon), and run it until cycle is finished(not during pct). Now, like I said I'm no expert so please anyone feel free to correct me on anything I might have said wrong but I'm pretty sure this sounds good.

 

[Therealdeal06555]

Im curiuos why this cycle? Your body fat % is high so I really would say no dbol..You might not like the way you start off looking with the water and bloat...I would say maybe some beastrol. And just got for a straight leaner.
Also why add the prop at the beginning? WHy not just start and end with Ena wk1-10..Beastrol will be a decent kickstart.
Plus run winni alittle bit longer. Also maybe add some anavar. Something like this.

Beastrol wk1-4
Test Ena 1-10
Winni 4-12
Anavar 4-10 or 12

Plus with a high bf like yours CARdio CArdio CArdio cant stress it enough..

 

[JujitsuMaster]

Im curiuos why this cycle? Your body fat % is high so I really would say no dbol..You might not like the way you start off looking with the water and bloat...I would say maybe some beastrol. And just got for a straight leaner.
Also why add the prop at the beginning? WHy not just start and end with Ena wk1-10..Beastrol will be a decent kickstart.
Plus run winni alittle bit longer. Also maybe add some anavar. Something like this.

Beastrol wk1-4
Test Ena 1-10
Winni 4-12
Anavar 4-10 or 12

Plus with a high bf like yours CARdio CArdio CArdio cant stress it enough..

Well the body fat is subsiding seeing that i'm calorie reducing as we speak and the reason for the prop is pretty much to have test running in my system fast until the enanth kicks in on the 3rd week. Do you guys think i should run winni longer? or shorter but with a larger dose? please explain the benefits

 

[d_rson]

Well the body fat is subsiding seeing that i'm calorie reducing as we speak and the reason for the prop is pretty much to have test running in my system fast until the enanth kicks in on the 3rd week. Do you guys think i should run winni longer? or shorter but with a larger dose? please explain the benefits

Things are getting too complicated and too gear centered. The cut will be 90% from your diet and training, 10% from the gear.

Drop the dbol. Do the prop as a kickstart into the E, and do the winstrol for 6-8weeks max and run it one extra week past Test E, and start PCT in 2nd week after ending Test E. Have an AI handy.

Do HCG weeks 3 till week you finish winny, and then 20,20,10,10 Nolva, Sustain Alpha (Or HCGenerate), Unleashed as directed.

Liver supps during winstrol and into PCT. Cholesterol supps the same.

 

[KenBraggofCarroltonGA]

very clean diet. high protein. oh yeah, did i say - very clean diet. diet. clean. very.

 

[JujitsuMaster]

Things are getting too complicated and too gear centered. The cut will be 90% from your diet and training, 10% from the gear.

Drop the dbol. Do the prop as a kickstart into the E, and do the winstrol for 6-8weeks max and run it one extra week past Test E, and start PCT in 2nd week after ending Test E. Have an AI handy.

Do HCG weeks 3 till week you finish winny, and then 20,20,10,10 Nolva, Sustain Alpha (Or HCGenerate), Unleashed as directed.

Liver supps during winstrol and into PCT. Cholesterol supps the same.

I know how to cut as i have done it before. The reason it seems to be getting "Gear Complicated" is because i want it to be perfect or near it. I've heard/read of people cutting on Dbol and i have it laying around that why i ask if it can be run in order to cut. I have quality anavar but only to run for 25 days at 40mg/QD, I wanted to use that but its barely three weeks and my supplier won't get more for at least 3months.

 

[JujitsuMaster]

thanks to all who helped i revised my cycle to look like this due to people hating on dbol in terms of cutting

Week 1-3 Anavar 40mg/ED
Week 1-5 Test Propionate 100mg/EOD
Week 1-10 Test Enanthate 300mg/Once A Week
Week 8-12 Winstrol 100mg/EOD

no going back now my sister(nurse)did my injections today both test esters. I always heard that prop hurts like a bitch yet i feel nothing from the prop but the enan feels sore. thanks again guys