I have been running field tests on male / female courtship interactions.

[Big Rick Rock]

As some of you might know, I work at a night club in N.Y, I have always been fascinated by the interaction and exchange of bullshit that goes on during courtship. Girls put on a front so they can be taken seriously. Guys put on a front so they will picked as the one to sleep with. It is all quite fascinating. I have been researching this subject for well over 8 years, it is only recently that I decided to use my job at the Night Club as a way to do some field testing… It is mind blowing what people will say and do when a place is filled with the opposite sex and alcohol is added to mixture…. Good laurd!

I will probably publish my findings so that you all can benefit from my work. You may thank me after you get laid a few times.


Thank you,



that is all…. Carry on.

 

[gonelifting]

Well, give us a few examples bro.

Also, can I get VIP treatment if I show up at your club? YES I`m bringing the wife. (be good)

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Well, give us a few examples bro.

Also, can I get VIP treatment if I show up at your club? YES I`m bringing the wife. (be good)

You are always welcome around these parts bro.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Well, give us a few examples bro.

Ask a question dude.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Ask a question dude.

Why do girls have one night stands when they say they are looking for something more?

 

[L_Seven]

Why do girls have one night stands when they say they are looking for something more?

maybe because guys do the same thing- and that behaviour is no longer a "male-only" domain?

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Why do girls have one night stands when they say they are looking for something more?

Good question,

Just because a girl says she is looking for something “more” doesn’t mean she is completely shut out from having a one night stand… Some times a girl might come across a dude that they just find irresistible, he might just a be a dickhead and not the kind of guy they can expect anything serious from. They still have the desire to sleep with him even if he doesn’t call again, it is a driving desire, they will do it and just chalk it up as a mistake….
Here is where shit gets twisted thought: That same girl that would have a one night stand with a guy she finds ungodly attractive, will make YOU wait if she thinks you are relationship material. Yes she likes you and yes she want to be your girl, so she has to make a good impression and make you work for it so you appreciate it when you get it. She knows if she bangs you on the first date you won’t take her seriously. You better go buy the Roses boy.


This is just a theory, I could be wrong.

 

[Dougly]

that behaviour is no longer a "male-only" domain?

And I for one am happy for that.

 

[awittyusername]

Good question,

Just because a girl says she is looking for something “more” doesn’t mean she is completely shut out from having a one night stand… Some times a girl might come across a dude that they just find irresistible, he might just a be a dickhead and not the kind of guy they can expect anything serious from. They still have the desire to sleep with him even if he doesn’t call again, it is a driving desire, they will do it and just chalk it up as a mistake….
Here is where shit gets twisted thought: That same girl that would have a one night stand with a guy she finds ungodly attractive, will make YOU wait if she thinks you are relationship material. Yes she likes you and yes she want to be your girl, so she has to make a good impression and make you work for it so you appreciate it when you get it. She knows if she bangs you on the first date you won’t take her seriously. You better go buy the Roses boy.



This is just a theory, I could be wrong.

You are one smart mofo. I have been both guys. Unfortunately, it is easier to be the jackass for the one night stand. I just can't handle all the hoops you have to jump to have a relationship.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

You are one smart mofo. I have been both guys. Unfortunately, it is easier to be the jackass for the one night stand. I just can't handle all the hoops you have to jump to have a relationship.

I hear what you are saying. It can be very exhausting having to go thru all the motions. Some of us have the “Bullfighter” mentality and enjoy the run more so than the kill. There is no better feeling than spitting game at a chick on the phone, and knowing that the first thing she is going to do when she hangs up is call up her girlfriend, and tell her about the wonderful guy she just met… You can tell that she has been saying good things about you by the way her girlfriends look at you when they first meet you. Every phone number you get is a hot contact, you call and follow up on it. Some numbers have a dumb bimbo on the other end and she may not be worthy your time, some numbers may have some warm poohn tang ready for the taking…. If you get lucky, one will have your perfect match and soul mate on the other end, it is a numbers game. You still have to play the game, and play it better than the other dudes, to have a better chance to find the chick of your dreams.

 

[flexygrl]

I hear what you are saying. It can be very exhausting having to go thru all the motions. Some of us have the “Bullfighter” mentality and enjoy the run more so than the kill. There is no better feeling than spitting game at a chick on the phone, and knowing that the first thing she is going to do when she hangs up is call up her girlfriend, and tell her about the wonderful guy she just met… You can tell that she has been saying good things about you by the way her girlfriends look at you when they first meet you. Every phone number you get is a hot contact, you call and follow up on it. Some numbers have a dumb bimbo on the other end and she may not be worthy your time, some numbers may have some warm poohn tang ready for the taking…. If you get lucky, one will have your perfect match and soul mate on the other end, it is a numbers game. You still have to play the game, and play it better than the other dudes, to have a better chance to find the chick of your dreams.

Lol, this is some funny stuff. True, but so funny.

 

[bran987]

what does it mean when you're with a girl at a bar and she does this:

http://www.sunfyre.com/images/pix/113.jpg

would that be a 'signal'?

 

[jerseyart]

Damn Bran,

I'm saving that for later to...uh.....research.

Dude that so happened to me and a bro in Wayne. Except that chick was older, and not good looking, and real drunk....... Ok so it wasn't the same thing, but she did keep flashing us kitty....at least I think it was kitty.

Forget I said anything

 

[Lestat]

BRR:

I got very discouraged with the club/bar scene about 3 years ago when I was in a stretch of singlehood and just got burned out.

I don't have a silver tongue, I can carry on a conversation with anyone, and I get plenty of looks, but when it comes to spitting game sometimes I just fall flat on my face when I am on the spot.

Put me in a different situation, something more relaxed and casual and I'm money all day and all night. At a club though I seem out of my element, the girls are fronting, the guys are trying to seem as desirable as possible. But like I said in my dumped thread, it seems so futile because out of all the girls in the club there are maybe 10% of them that'd I've even really consider dating.

Overally.. there has got to be a better way!

Oh one more thing.. I don't really care for dancing much. Guys who like to dance and who can dance well get 10 times more pussy in that environment.

 

[jestros]

The problem I have with clubs is the music is so loud, you've gotta scream to talk to anyone, it's hard to be smooth when you're screaming

 

[jerseyart]

BBR

Re: 2:53pm post.

True, true,true......

It took me years to figure that out. I actually used to feel like "what's up with me" when girls that I knew hooked up with other guys on one night stands were trying to be all "we should wait" when it was my turn

You have to be a jerk, no two ways about it. She has to find you attractive, yet to big an asshole to ever take home to mom. If she's thinking long term potential, then you sleeping alone that night.

 

[Lestat]

The problem I have with clubs is the music is so loud, you've gotta scream to talk to anyone, it's hard to be smooth when you're screaming

yeah, that's tough, but it give you an excuse to get in real close and talk right into their ear.. if you smell good (or if they do) that's a bonus.

 

[jerseyart]

Lestat,

Dude, you have to learn how to dance if you're going to hang in clubs. there is no way you can spit game when the music is blasting. Just walk up to the ones you like, smile, and start dancing.

If you can't dance, go somewhere else.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

You can't tell me some of you bros are really trying to talk to chicks at the night club... It can be done depending on the set up of the speakers at the night club, there are places(away from the dance floor) where you can talk if you get real close ... For the most part it is better to get a phone# and follow up. Also getting some "air" and standing outside the place to chat can work well. Dancing is always a plus, I can dance Latin music and turn a bitch out getting down on some Reggea, this is an advantage when trying to smooth over latino mamies that don't want to hear about a dude with 2 left feet...
Again I will say: Get that number and follow up, once you feel out the prospect you can decide if you want to play ball for a little while or just go for the close.

 

[gonelifting]

There is no better feeling than spitting game at a chick on the phone, and knowing that the first thing she is going to do when she hangs up is call up her girlfriend, and tell her about the wonderful guy she just met… You can tell that she has been saying good things about you by the way her girlfriends look at you when they first meet you. .

This is what I wrote yesterday. It`s sort of the same attitude...cut and pasted...

"lol

Bros, Women want a man they can be proud of, they want a guy to meet their co-workers and have them say "Wow, you got a good man." They want a man that their friends would love to have. You figure the rest out, if that man means being smart, so be it. If that man means being successful, so be it. A woman wants a man that OTHER WOMEN WOULD LOVE TO HAVE.

When I played the game, I would put myself in the woman`s "afterdate talk" with her girlfriends. What would they ask her and what would she say? If you can control those outcomes, then you`re in with any woman most of the time.

I took this straight out of my book just for you losers, I won`t charge you for it but please appreciate!"

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

maybe because guys do the same thing- and that behaviour is no longer a "male-only" domain?

This is more physiologically apparent in men though. Girls are instinctively supposed to be less promiscuous than guys, to protect their eggs, whereas men are more inclined to spread their seed, if you want to get that deep. Does all this go out the window when they start to drink?
Does today's society preempt biology? You could answer this just as easily as I could.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

what does it mean when you're with a girl at a bar and she does this:

http://www.sunfyre.com/images/pix/113.jpg

would that be a 'signal'?

I always get a kick out of chicks who do stuff like this. You would never see a guy do it, because they know as well as girls that it doesn't sell. Guys get turned on by visual stimulation a lot more than girls. Do all of these girls think they will get ahead doing stunts like this, or is it a love affair with the camera? It seems more likely that they are barking up the wrong tree, especially in the sense of guys taking them seriously, like Big Rick Rock said above.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

BRR:

I got very discouraged with the club/bar scene about 3 years ago when I was in a stretch of singlehood and just got burned out.

I don't have a silver tongue, I can carry on a conversation with anyone, and I get plenty of looks, but when it comes to spitting game sometimes I just fall flat on my face when I am on the spot.

Put me in a different situation, something more relaxed and casual and I'm money all day and all night. At a club though I seem out of my element, the girls are fronting, the guys are trying to seem as desirable as possible. But like I said in my dumped thread, it seems so futile because out of all the girls in the club there are maybe 10% of them that'd I've even really consider dating.

Overally.. there has got to be a better way!

Oh one more thing.. I don't really care for dancing much. Guys who like to dance and who can dance well get 10 times more pussy in that environment.

As you can see, this is an interesting thread to me.


Lestat, you pretty much described me to a T as well.

And as for dancing, as long as you can hold your own, it's all good.

Now if you play guitar or piano, I would say that's an even greater advantage.

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

write a book.....

 

[Big Rick Rock]

write a book.....

Here is something I posted in a thread on the player's board. . .
Some dude suggested using a trick to getting a chick's phone number. So I responded with a few pointers...

My theories are not carved in stone and always open to debate.

I do have to admit that the whole "trick" to getting a chick's cell phone number was pathetic. Unless a woman expressively gives me her number and asks to hear from me I won't call her. There is nothing more awkward than calling up a chick and having her ask “gonzo who?... from where? “ Fuck that, most people leave that stuff after Jr. High.



Here are some pointers.

-Women either find you attractive or they don’t.
While men might lower their standards during time of “drought”, women stay pretty consistent and are likely to hold out till they find a guy they like enough to sleep with.

-Even if you are an ugly Mofo you might be able to “grow” on them… But it won’t happen in a couple of hours at a noisy night club. You have to spend some serious time in the “friend zone” before your ugly ass gets some play from a hot bitch. She has to realize your ugly ass won’t stray because nobody else wants you. And she has to finaly grow tired of bagging handsome guys who treat them like shit cause they have too many options.

-Most of them will act a little bit “uninterested” even if they want to fuck you on the spot. They want you to at least TRY. Even if the pussy is yours when you said “hello”, she still wants to feel like you earned it. (Notice I said “a little bit uninterested” if she turns her back on you and walks away that usually a nice way of saying “piss off”)

-A girl looking for a relationship: If she is attracted to you, and interested: You can lose her in 1 second by saying something real stupid. If she likes you, and you have no game… keep your fucking mouth shut. It is better to sit in silence and appear ignorant than to open your mouth and confirm it. It is better to seem “quiet and mysterious” not “talkative and dumb”. Ok so you are a duffus and you want to go out with this gourgeous chick… Again, keep your fucking mouth shut as much as possible, be sweet, nice, caring and courtageous. She might overlook your peanut size brain for your gigantic heart.

-A girl just looking for a good time: If she is attracted to you: She does not care if your approach is corny or you don’t have 2 brain cells to make a spark. She will laugh at your stupid jokes and ignore you looking at her tits all night. She will wish you make a good enough effort of smoothing her into bed, makes her feel less guilty if it seems like you actually had to try.
WARNING: you can still fuck this up… You still have to appear Sane and never make her feel like the whole neighborhood is going to know you boned her. She needs to feel like you are a capable of having sex with her, respecting her in the morning, being nice, and staying the fuck out of her face when she wants you to. She also doesn’t want to feel like you are using her like a slut… yes deep down inside she might feel cheap for banging you dumb ass… but she needs to feel a certain level of comfort with you.
Even if she wants nothing more than dick from you, she might still call you every now and then just to “talk”, be nice, keep it light, short and friendly.
Never be a jerk or rub in her face how many other sluts you are banging. You might be too busy hitting random pussy to fit her into your rotation this week, But Never Tell Her That, tell her you are working and have too much to do, you’ll see her next week. Yes she only wants some dick and she probably knows you are fucking other chicks, but she doesn’t need to hear you tell her she is the “Monday Afternoon chick”.
The name of the game is: She knows what she is, you know what she is, but never talk about it. You will keep getting some poohtang till she decides she wants something serious and leaves your handsome ass for an ugly dude with a brain and a good job.


This may not apply to most women. I have come to some of these conclusions thru anecdotal experience and nothing more.

 

[gonelifting]

That is perfect BBR. It IS for ugly bros with no game though. There`s a whole other level for different folk. Not that I`m there... Just talking about past experiences. Sometimes the woman HAS to hear the truth. They want you more that way, SOMETIMES. Use your judgement of course. I don`t have to tell you. player...good post.

 

[Robert Jan]

BRR:

I got very discouraged with the club/bar scene about 3 years ago when I was in a stretch of singlehood and just got burned out.

I don't have a silver tongue, I can carry on a conversation with anyone, and I get plenty of looks, but when it comes to spitting game sometimes I just fall flat on my face when I am on the spot.

Put me in a different situation, something more relaxed and casual and I'm money all day and all night. At a club though I seem out of my element, the girls are fronting, the guys are trying to seem as desirable as possible. But like I said in my dumped thread, it seems so futile because out of all the girls in the club there are maybe 10% of them that'd I've even really consider dating.

Overally.. there has got to be a better way!

Oh one more thing.. I don't really care for dancing much. Guys who like to dance and who can dance well get 10 times more pussy in that environment.

You're too honest for this bullshit. you should try and find a new girl (if you are looking for something serious) through contacts and contacts of contacts.

Never miss a houseparty you got invited to.

 

[sigweed]

Never miss a houseparty you got invited to.

in my experiences, thats solid advice right there

in still pretty young compared to the rest here, but ive had a good number of girl friends/one night stands and the sort, and only very few times have i hooked up with a girl from a bar/club... and for the most part, the ones i did, its because they were sluts and initiated it. (not saying girls that initiate things are sluts by any means, but these particular ones were, and you could tell long before they talk to you)

parties on the other hand... by FAR the best way to meet women. Think about it, you're surrounded by friends (girls think you're popular), relaxed atmosphere (picking up girls is the only reason most guys go to clubs, but house parties are for hanging loose and chillin), and likely there will be drinks on hand, making icebreaking and what not all the easier. Theres just so many plus sides to these things, such as the likelihood of mutual friends, that really shifts the tables in your favour.

my mantra, however, is who fucking cares? enjoy life, with or without girls. many will come and go, but learn to enjoy being alone too.. you're your own best friend.

 

[javaguru]

Never miss a houseparty you got invited to.

Solid advice. If you have a wide enough network of contacts and a decent place nothing beats throwing a house party. If you can't get laid at your own party you're hopeless.

 

[jd_uk]

You can't tell me some of you bros are really trying to talk to chicks at the night club... It can be done depending on the set up of the speakers at the night club, there are places(away from the dance floor) where you can talk if you get real close ... For the most part it is better to get a phone# and follow up. Also getting some "air" and standing outside the place to chat can work well. Dancing is always a plus, I can dance Latin music and turn a bitch out getting down on some Reggea, this is an advantage when trying to smooth over latino mamies that don't want to hear about a dude with 2 left feet...
Again I will say: Get that number and follow up, once you feel out the prospect you can decide if you want to play ball for a little while or just go for the close.

I'd disagree, I think it's best to for it straight in the club. If you're on the dance floor say something like 'i cant hear you, lets go over there where its quieter'.

Or even say 'Lets go somewhere else, to get food or something". As long as you can isolate her i think the rest is just a matter of not fucking up.

If however this isn't possible then yeah just get her number.

 

[L_Seven]

And I for one am happy for that.

I am happy about this as well...
just absolutely ecstatic...

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

I am happy about this as well...
just absolutely ecstatic...

Baaaaad L Seven

 

[Mandy]

This is what I wrote yesterday. It`s sort of the same attitude...cut and pasted...

"lol

Bros, Women want a man they can be proud of, they want a guy to meet their co-workers and have them say "Wow, you got a good man." They want a man that their friends would love to have. You figure the rest out, if that man means being smart, so be it. If that man means being successful, so be it. A woman wants a man that OTHER WOMEN WOULD LOVE TO HAVE.

When I played the game, I would put myself in the woman`s "afterdate talk" with her girlfriends. What would they ask her and what would she say? If you can control those outcomes, then you`re in with any woman most of the time.

I took this straight out of my book just for you losers, I won`t charge you for it but please appreciate!"

That is SO amazingly true!

 

[Big Rick Rock]

I'd disagree, I think it's best to for it straight in the club. If you're on the dance floor say something like 'i cant hear you, lets go over there where its quieter'.

Or even say 'Lets go somewhere else, to get food or something". As long as you can isolate her i think the rest is just a matter of not fucking up.

If however this isn't possible then yeah just get her number.

Sounds great in theory... Not many girls go to the club by themselves. Asking her to "go get food" with you is basicaly an invitation to have all her girlfriends come with you...


Just a thought.

 

[havoc]

Dropping science like Galileo dropped the orange

 

[milo hobgoblin]

This truly is one of EF's best posts ever.

The saddest part is how pathetic it makes women out to be.

That they give in so easily to "game" and how well it works with them. If I were a woman Id be ashamed at the truth in what is being said here.. A guy you can be proud of HAHAH but its NOT real ITS A FUCKING GAME! and evrytime you give into it YOU LOSE. Because that same guy that won your pussy with his "game" will be trying to fuck all your friends the second you turn your back.

You bitches that give into that shit are so fucking stupid its nauseating.

That you all are so simple minded that you fall for some dumb ass with a silver tongue before a decent guy with a silver heart.

Guys may easily fall for a beautiful woman with big tits a pretty smile and a perfect little pussy.. but at least we are falling for something you actually HAVE not something you fake. And it doenst matter how good the pussy is you CANNOT feign interest..

and we wonder why the rate of failing relationships is skyrocketing.

 

[supersizeme]

suckers they come, a dime a dozen
when i say dozen you know what i'm talkin bout

 

[havoc]

Driving around, king of the town, always got my ventanas rolled down.........................................................................................................................................................................................................




"Blood clot"

 

[milo hobgoblin]

You know I just came to a realization about Rap music.. as much as I hate it.. they are just singing what I basically wrote in my post when they debase those types of women.

Its just unfortunate that SO many owmen are like that.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

This truly is one of EF's best posts ever.

The saddest part is how pathetic it makes women out to be.

That they give in so easily to "game" and how well it works with them. If I were a woman Id be ashamed at the truth in what is being said here.. A guy you can be proud of HAHAH but its NOT real ITS A FUCKING GAME! and evrytime you give into it YOU LOSE. Because that same guy that won your pussy with his "game" will be trying to fuck all your friends the second you turn your back.

You bitches that give into that shit are so fucking stupid its nauseating.

That you all are so simple minded that you fall for some dumb ass with a silver tongue before a decent guy with a silver heart.

Guys may easily fall for a beautiful woman with big tits a pretty smile and a perfect little pussy.. but at least we are falling for something you actually HAVE not something you fake. And it doenst matter how good the pussy is you CANNOT feign interest..

and we wonder why the rate of failing relationships is skyrocketing.

I sense a bit of hatred in your post… I hope you were not refereeing to my posts, I don’t want to come off sounding like I hate women. I actually love women, I love them all.

I don’t think we should look down on women for letting us enchant them with the spoken word, we should embrace them for it. If women were only attracted to us based on looks, then we would have only 10% of the male population getting 90% of the poohntang out there(the majority of the single male population is ugly and poorly maintained).
The fact that you can smooth a girl into bed with your charm, even if you are not great looking, actually gives everybody some hope… Shit! You can’t get a face transplant but you can surely get an attitude overhaul. You can’t learn to be good looking, but you can learn to be impressionable when you talk to people.

Back in the day… I mean way back in the day… Gentlemen would write poetry for ladies they were courting, men would take pride in being honorable and chivalrous. Women were proud of their chastity. Men had to actually work to get some poohntang. We would risk life and limb Jousting wearing a lady’s “colors” as proof of our love. Sometimes, years of courtship and letter writing were necessary just to marry a chick and get her into bed. Once they became our wife, we would defend their honor with our swords(now we get mad when they ask us to take out the garbage).
Then women became liberated, and started to actually have sex with us before marriage, they decided who they wanted to sleep with, they no longer asked us to woo them for years, a few dates would do just fine. They required less work from us in order to get into their bed. Then we as men got lazy, it became less effort to get some poonhtang and we stopped shining our armor and stopped writing them poetry. Chivalry died, but women’s natural desire to be swept off their feet hasn’t died.
Women still want to be romanced and won over even if we are just faking it, they want to hear nice things tonight even if we may ride off into the sunset tomorrow… But we think it is too much of them to ask. We think that having to be “smooth” is too much work. We think they should sleep with us just because we are “nice”, even if we put very little effort into winning them over. Then we get mad at the dudes that actually put some work into homing their wooing skills. Hate the game not the player… Some of us guys need to get with it…


That is just my opinion….

 

[javaguru]

Like women don't lie about who they are to make themselves more attractive to a man!
They are even more deceptive than men, not only do they use lies but also dramaticallly modify their appearance. They tan, get manicures, facials, wear make-up, wonder bras and even corset type clothing to make their waist look thinner. Face it people, both sexes use deception to get what they want.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Like women don't lie about who they are to make themselves more attractive to a man!
They are even more deceptive than men, not only do they use lies but also dramaticallly modify their appearance. They tan, get manicures, facials, wear make-up, wonder bras and even corset type clothing to make their waist look thinner. Face it people, both sexes use deception to get what they want.

Yes you are right, women do lie, maybe more than men do... But they can do that if they wish. Why? Cause they hold the power since they have the poohntang.
We can sit there and argue this point with every women we meet, and we might be right but it will never get us anywhere.
There is an old saying in sales "Do you want to be right? OR do you want to make the Sale?" I guess the way it would apply here is: "Do you want to tell a chick how wrong she is? OR do you want to get some pussy?"

 

[Spartacus]

what was that that one guy said about 25% of the men fuck 75% of the women?
women may have the pussy,but for some guys,they still control the field
and women know which men those are

 

[dirty~d~]

Interesting thread I must say. Keep it going.

 

[casualbb]

Here's something I found that's real odd. Chicks will hook up with a guy they barely like just to validate themselves.

Here's an example.

I met this girl during rush (I'm in a fraternity). I wouldn't say we hit it off because I didn't like her that much, but I was teasing the crap out of her and she was eating it up. Two days later, at a party, we hooked up, but she put on the brakes after barely anything.

We hooked up one more time after that, but still not much happened. However, I kept seeing her because she was friends with a guy in the house.

More often than not, when I'd see her, it would be at a party. I figured, since we hooked up once, she'd certainly be game for more (I've since learned that chicks don't work like that), so I tried coming on semi-strong. It totally bombed, she was having none of it.

It seemed like the more I made it clear that I wanted her the less she was attracted.

Then months elapsed without us seeing each other, and I saw her a little while ago at a party. This time, I tried an experiment: I would flirt with her, but play super-hard to get. I teased her, and then when she got offended, instead of buying into it and apologizing like I used to I just said "you take me way too seriously! I'm not sure I want to hang out with you anymore..." and she backed down.

After a half hour she basically dragged me outside to makeout. However, after 10 minutes outside, she pretty much stopped, went back inside, and semi-ignored me for the rest of the night.

Moral of the story? She just wanted to prove to herself that she could "get" me, she really wasn't interested. At most temporarily attacted because I disqualified her so much.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

You know I just came to a realization about Rap music.. as much as I hate it.. they are just singing what I basically wrote in my post when they debase those types of women.

Its just unfortunate that SO many owmen are like that.

And it's also sad how so many women, especially college chicks, eat that shit up.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

I sense a bit of hatred in your post… I hope you were not refereeing to my posts, I don’t want to come off sounding like I hate women. I actually love women, I love them all.

I don’t think we should look down on women for letting us enchant them with the spoken word, we should embrace them for it. If women were only attracted to us based on looks, then we would have only 10% of the male population getting 90% of the poohntang out there(the majority of the single male population is ugly and poorly maintained).
The fact that you can smooth a girl into bed with your charm, even if you are not great looking, actually gives everybody some hope… Shit! You can’t get a face transplant but you can surely get an attitude overhaul. You can’t learn to be good looking, but you can learn to be impressionable when you talk to people.

Back in the day… I mean way back in the day… Gentlemen would write poetry for ladies they were courting, men would take pride in being honorable and chivalrous. Women were proud of their chastity. Men had to actually work to get some poohntang. We would risk life and limb Jousting wearing a lady’s “colors” as proof of our love. Sometimes, years of courtship and letter writing were necessary just to marry a chick and get her into bed. Once they became our wife, we would defend their honor with our swords(now we get mad when they ask us to take out the garbage).
Then women became liberated, and started to actually have sex with us before marriage, they decided who they wanted to sleep with, they no longer asked us to woo them for years, a few dates would do just fine. They required less work from us in order to get into their bed. Then we as men got lazy, it became less effort to get some poonhtang and we stopped shining our armor and stopped writing them poetry. Chivalry died, but women’s natural desire to be swept off their feet hasn’t died.
Women still want to be romanced and won over even if we are just faking it, they want to hear nice things tonight even if we may ride off into the sunset tomorrow… But we think it is too much of them to ask. We think that having to be “smooth” is too much work. We think they should sleep with us just because we are “nice”, even if we put very little effort into winning them over. Then we get mad at the dudes that actually put some work into homing their wooing skills. Hate the game not the player… Some of us guys need to get with it…


That is just my opinion….

I think what Milo Hobgoblin was saying was that now, a lot of guys could care less about the girl herself, and the only reason they are spitting the game is to get their dicks wet; which is fine, but certainly sleazy.

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

Yes you are right, women do lie, maybe more than men do... But they can do that if they wish. Why? Cause they hold the power since they have the poohntang.
We can sit there and argue this point with every women we meet, and we might be right but it will never get us anywhere.
There is an old saying in sales "Do you want to be right? OR do you want to make the Sale?" I guess the way it would apply here is: "Do you want to tell a chick how wrong she is? OR do you want to get some pussy?"

What if, hypothetically speaking, all the guys in an area, say a university or a decent sized town with plenty of 20-30 somethings, stopped trying to get pussy? Just reversed the role so to speak, having the women try to woo men for the dick. Would women then be forced to pursue or would it just not be biologically natural? I would think that they would eventually start getting frustrated and anxious to get some.

 

[chesty]

I have tried the honest, chivalrous, poetry writing stuff, didn't work, tried the hard to get stuff, didn't work, tried even being my self, didn't work. The only time a woman was ever interested in me is when I was off limits and of course then its a no go any way.

What we guys don't realize is that the women hold a hypnotic power over us. We have started wars over them, killed for them, embarrassed ourselves for them, etc. We become weak around them in that they know how to control us emotionally and physically. And it isn't just because of the box, it is more than that. They truly are mysterious in nature and we can't figure them out and that drives us nuts, yet we still want them more than ever.

I think it is the man that is trying to validate himself in the eyes of a woman. We need to know that we are the King of the jungle, even if it is only for a short while.

 

[TruBalla4Real]

The fact of the matter is that as a reasult of how women act (their egos etc.), men shape their approach to fool them. If that is what they want, then fine. I tend think that things would be much better if people just acted like themselves and didn't play games. However, I've come to realize that women can't do this because their "game" is a way of discriminating against men that they think are not worth their time. Only the good looking and smooth talking (or mind fucking/game playing) guys get the bulk of the women . Works out good for some, bad for others. Some guys get lucky occasionally. What it boils down to is 1) You have to be good looking and whoever says you don't is lying, 2) You have to be fun, so the woman doens't get bored with you obviously and 3) With a DECENT woman (the one that you woudl want to attract and date) you have to create rapport and convey a sense that you are a good person, but not too much of the latter (you want to be a mixture of bad boy and nice guy). my 2 cents

 

[goldenthree]

I have found that generally sexism and hatred for women is correlated directly with how much of a "nice" guy you are. The shittier the guy(one that will cheat, treat a woman like shit, or try to steal friends gf's for a power trip) tend to love women much more then "nice" guys who I have found to despise women, and hate them. Problem is that whole push and pull, you treat a girl like shit(not too much) she has to be validated by you, and she thinks "he must be special" because I put up with his shit(cognitive dissonance, totally explains cops if you watch you know what I mean). A guy who treats a woman like a princess will get fucked over every time. She takes your affection for granted, will start to think that the reason I am with him is because of the way he treats me. Cheat on you, because they don't want to "hurt" you, and then evantually leave you.

Personal opinion from experiencing and watching both "assholes" and "nice guys" in relationships.

 

[mastrmage]

BRRock and goldenthree, BOOYAAAH! Bang, spot on the money lads.

-to the majority of the others in the thread-
If you guys are hanging out in the players scene, Play or be Played. Sure there's some nice girls and nice guys out there looking for the right girl/guy but the majority of people in clubs are just out to have some fun. (I know for a fact that when I'm with a chick and I really love her and have no intention of cheating etc, I dont go to clubs anywhere near as often as when I'm single.)

No offence but you frustrated guys sound like you lack self confidence. I'm not trying to blow my own horn here but I can go up to any chick in a club and chat to her, hold conversations, meet new people, get numbers.. I'm just socially apt I guess. It's a confidence thing, I'm not happy with my body (just started training 4 months ago), and get paranoid about blemishes and the like, so I'm not overflowing with confidence and test, but I exude the appearance that I am confident and know what I want. Girls like self esteem and confidence in a guy cause it rubs off on them and they feel good about themselves.

By all means be a gentlemen but dont fall over your own feet trying to serve her and buy her drinks, she'll just think you're boring.

In summary, dont be an insecure tryhard, be fun, be a man who has direction, self control and self assurance without appearing egotistical and full of yourself.

As BRR says, just my theories dont take this for gospel!

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Has this thread tought you guys anything?


.

 

[Forge]

Has this thread tought you guys anything?


.

Not really, it's only reinforced what I already knew, that I am not like most guys. I don't have "game", I don't lie to women just to bed them, I don't put on a facade in clubs at bars or at parties, that's just not the kind of guy I am.

I always just act like myself. I'll talk to them like I would to anyone, if they like me then it goes somewhere, if not then I walk away. If a girl shoots me down then so be it, her loss, but I won't be someone I'm not just to bed some stranger. To me that's just a waste of time.

Maybe that's why I've only been with girls that I formed serious relationships with, but that's the way I like it. I'm more into quality, not quantity. But I realize that most guys are not like this, and this thread appears to be for the players, not guys like me. Still, it amazes me the ends that some guys will go to simply to get a little pussy...

 

[LeeJunFan]

Here is where shit gets twisted thought: That same girl that would have a one night stand with a guy she finds ungodly attractive, will make YOU wait if she thinks you are relationship material. Yes she likes you and yes she want to be your girl, so she has to make a good impression and make you work for it so you appreciate it when you get it. She knows if she bangs you on the first date you won’t take her seriously.
This is just a theory, I could be wrong.

But how do you know that she is making you wait, she is not going to tell you she's making you wait, she might just be too nice a person to tell you to piss off so how do you know?

 

[Big Rick Rock]

But how do you know that she is making you wait, she is not going to tell you she's making you wait, she might just be too nice a person to tell you to piss off so how do you know?

Bro, there are signals... Lots of them.

You can be caught in the "Friend Zone/ladder" and just be her buddy (one of the girls) or actually be on the "Fucking Ladder" and working you way up.... She will not let you know, you just have to take the hints.

 

[Growth&Courage]

Bro, there are signals... Lots of them.

You can be caught in the "Friend Zone/ladder" and just be her buddy (one of the girls) or actually be on the "Fucking Ladder" and working you way up.... She will not let you know, you just have to take the hints.

Quite ironic coming from someone that had trouble dumping a fuck buddy when you were making all the courtship rituals to her ie: cooking for her, being nice , (impressing her with the Thai boxing) etc.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Quite ironic coming from someone that had trouble dumping a fuck buddy when you were making all the courtship rituals to her ie: cooking for her, being nice , (impressing her with the Thai boxing) etc.

I only buddy up and cook for them after we have sex. It is a good retention tool, a fuck buddy doesn't last too long, the stuff I do helps keeps them around a little longer.

BTW- I don't study Muay Thai to impress chicks or anybody. I like the sport and love the art for what it has helped me become.

 

[Growth&Courage]

I only buddy up and cook for them after we have sex. It is a good retention tool, a fuck buddy doesn't last too long, the stuff I do helps keeps them around a little longer.

BTW- I don't study Muay Thai to impress chicks or anybody. I like the sport and love the art for what it has helped me become.

Of course I 100% understand this. I was only kidding to you.
I respect you + I respect Muay Thai too.

 

[ahimosa]

there's answer in this link ===> www.s_test_field.gim.ca

 

[USMC fighter]

This sounds stupid but if you want more attension just put on a wedding ring. Idont know why it works, but damnit it works.

 

[Dekaxx]

what does it mean when you're with a girl at a bar and she does this:

http://www.sunfyre.com/images/pix/113.jpg

would that be a 'signal'?

LOL that was funny reminded me about this time i was at a company Xmas party and one of the Superintendents wife pulled that one me, or basically lifted her skirt up and started touching herself great party

 

[sliprock2]

confidence is everything

 

[JayC9]

-Women either find you attractive or they don’t.
While men might lower their standards during time of “drought”, women stay pretty consistent and are likely to hold out till they find a guy they like enough to sleep with.

-Even if you are an ugly Mofo you might be able to “grow” on them… But it won’t happen in a couple of hours at a noisy night club. You have to spend some serious time in the “friend zone” before your ugly ass gets some play from a hot bitch. She has to realize your ugly ass won’t stray because nobody else wants you. And she has to finaly grow tired of bagging handsome guys who treat them like shit cause they have too many options.

-Most of them will act a little bit “uninterested” even if they want to fuck you on the spot. They want you to at least TRY. Even if the pussy is yours when you said “hello”, she still wants to feel like you earned it. (Notice I said “a little bit uninterested” if she turns her back on you and walks away that usually a nice way of saying “piss off”)

-A girl looking for a relationship: If she is attracted to you, and interested: You can lose her in 1 second by saying something real stupid. If she likes you, and you have no game… keep your fucking mouth shut. It is better to sit in silence and appear ignorant than to open your mouth and confirm it. It is better to seem “quiet and mysterious” not “talkative and dumb”. Ok so you are a duffus and you want to go out with this gourgeous chick… Again, keep your fucking mouth shut as much as possible, be sweet, nice, caring and courtageous. She might overlook your peanut size brain for your gigantic heart.

-A girl just looking for a good time: If she is attracted to you: She does not care if your approach is corny or you don’t have 2 brain cells to make a spark. She will laugh at your stupid jokes and ignore you looking at her tits all night. She will wish you make a good enough effort of smoothing her into bed, makes her feel less guilty if it seems like you actually had to try.
WARNING: you can still fuck this up… You still have to appear Sane and never make her feel like the whole neighborhood is going to know you boned her. She needs to feel like you are a capable of having sex with her, respecting her in the morning, being nice, and staying the fuck out of her face when she wants you to. She also doesn’t want to feel like you are using her like a slut… yes deep down inside she might feel cheap for banging you dumb ass… but she needs to feel a certain level of comfort with you.
Even if she wants nothing more than dick from you, she might still call you every now and then just to “talk”, be nice, keep it light, short and friendly.
Never be a jerk or rub in her face how many other sluts you are banging. You might be too busy hitting random pussy to fit her into your rotation this week, But Never Tell Her That, tell her you are working and have too much to do, you’ll see her next week. Yes she only wants some dick and she probably knows you are fucking other chicks, but she doesn’t need to hear you tell her she is the “Monday Afternoon chick”.
The name of the game is: She knows what she is, you know what she is, but never talk about it. You will keep getting some poohtang till she decides she wants something serious and leaves your handsome ass for an ugly dude with a brain and a good job.

This may not apply to most women. I have come to some of these conclusions thru anecdotal experience and nothing more.

some naked home truths right there

 

[HiDnGoD]

Yes you are right, women do lie, maybe more than men do... But they can do that if they wish. Why? Cause they hold the power since they have the poohntang.
We can sit there and argue this point with every women we meet, and we might be right but it will never get us anywhere.
There is an old saying in sales "Do you want to be right? OR do you want to make the Sale?" I guess the way it would apply here is: "Do you want to tell a chick how wrong she is? OR do you want to get some pussy?"

I was wondering if you were in sales. I've read some Zig Ziglar & some of your phrases rang a bell.

 

[HiDnGoD]

I have found that generally sexism and hatred for women is correlated directly with how much of a "nice" guy you are. The shittier the guy(one that will cheat, treat a woman like shit, or try to steal friends gf's for a power trip) tend to love women much more then "nice" guys who I have found to despise women, and hate them. Problem is that whole push and pull, you treat a girl like shit(not too much) she has to be validated by you, and she thinks "he must be special" because I put up with his shit(cognitive dissonance, totally explains cops if you watch you know what I mean). A guy who treats a woman like a princess will get fucked over every time. She takes your affection for granted, will start to think that the reason I am with him is because of the way he treats me. Cheat on you, because they don't want to "hurt" you, and then evantually leave you.

Personal opinion from experiencing and watching both "assholes" and "nice guys" in relationships.

I think there is some truth to this, but it's not universal. My brother is a nice guy, really attentive. He got fucked over by his first wife(married 10 years - things started going south at 3), but his second just loves it, they've been together 8 yrs, getting more sickeningly sweet by the minute.
I'm a nice guy, not quite as nice as my brother. My wife & I have been together 25 yrs. We adore each other, however I do seem to get more extracuricular offers 'cause I'm a dick sometimes, to women I don't want.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

I was wondering if you were in sales. I've read some Zig Ziglar & some of your phrases rang a bell.

Sam I am. Life is about selling. You sell from the time you are little till the day you die... Not just about products and making money, but about convincing people and selling them on your point of view. Or selling them on you as the product.


You see a chick you like (prospect), you are absolutly sure that she would be happy spending time with you(product).
You are sure that she wants to be with you and will enjoy the time you espend together (confidence in your product).
So you try to make her realize it because she doesn't really know it yet. (the sale)...

She is finally convinced and buys YOU, so her knees part ways (The Close). It's all about good service and making her a return customer at that point.


-BRR

 

[Anybody]

the trick to gettin laid is staying in your league. If an ugly guy fucks a hot chick it's a freak accident and she's gonna regret it in the morning if she was sober enough to remember doing it.

There are some things you can do to improve your prospects a little bit, but don't expect to be nailing 8's if you're a 4. Forget what you've read or seen in the movies, the world just doesn't work that way. Looks are the first and by far the thickest line of defense, and to overcome a sizeable disparity you're gonna need a lot of money, fame, or alcohol.

 

[carlsuen]

lol.. besides BRR, u guys are pretty much single losers.. here's a tip

www.doubleyourdating.com

now go get laid..

guys who know this will back me up..

 

[Island Son]

lol.. besides BRR, u guys are pretty much single losers.. here's a tip

www.doubleyourdating.com

now go get laid..

guys who know this will back me up..

shhhhh.... let him think the 8's are out of his league

 

[gettinripped]

i got one for BRR, why and what makes girls sleep with their best friends husbands when their friend(the wife) isnt around??

 

[megamania500]

This sounds stupid but if you want more attension just put on a wedding ring. Idont know why it works, but damnit it works.

There is actually a deep unconscious thing going on with women when they want a man who is already taken. Deep in a woman's brain, she is on the lookout for a man who she KNOWS will make a good companion. This is set in a womans brain, she's born with it. If she sees a man who is already with a woman, she sees that man as definitely having what it takes to make a working relationship. Why? Because the proof is right there in front of her- he is with a woman. If that woman looks happy, there is an added bonus. If a man has a wedding ring on, to a woman's subconscious mind, that says that he has what it takes within him to maintain an ongoing, lasting relationship. Thus, an attraction to him turns on like a light bulb.

 

[Island Son]

There is actually a deep unconscious thing going on with women when they want a man who is already taken. Deep in a woman's brain, she is on the lookout for a man who she KNOWS will make a good companion. This is set in a womans brain, she's born with it. If she sees a man who is already with a woman, she sees that man as definitely having what it takes to make a working relationship. Why? Because the proof is right there in front of her- he is with a woman. If that woman looks happy, there is an added bonus. If a man has a wedding ring on, to a woman's subconscious mind, that says that he has what it takes within him to maintain an ongoing, lasting relationship. Thus, an attraction to him turns on like a light bulb.

Its so much easier to meet other women when you already have a girl.
I asked a slut who was always hooking up with attached guys and she confirmed it.
Her logic does make sense in a twisted kind of way.

 

[hayabusa976]

i have a question,anyone can answer............whats the best way to approach a girl to get a conversation started???im not talking some stupid pick-up line but more of a good conversation starter.......it doesnt necessarily have to be a line for a club environment.

 

[T-Matt]

BBR-

I 100% completely agree with what you said.. I have the ability to go out to a club and portray different personalities.. I did my own little experiment.. A woman, literally, can be interested in you, not see any LTR potential and fuck you but then be EXTREMELY interested in you, feel the LTR potential and not have sex with you b/c she wants to make a good impression.... That's some deep shit right there if you understand how it is so..

To all you guys saying "Fuck all you players.. I'll be myself.. I don't have to act like something I'm not to get pussy.." The only reason you're hating is because you're not getting any play.. You know what KEEP ON being your sorry ass lousy, no pussy pounding self.. Keep on thinking your 7% b/f is too fat for girls, keep on staying lonely..

The fact of the matter is, a human is completely dependent for his/her first 5-8 years.. WE are fucking helpless.. Other animals can run away from pray minutes after being born.. What the fuck does that tell you? You need to LEARN how to fucking protect yourself.. You know what it also means? YOu need to learn how to fucking attract women.. You need to learn how to talk to women.. You are the fucking man, you're the one who needs to do the leg work.. your magical woman isn't just going to land in your lap one day.. You need to learn how to attract women.. If you want to continue to sit there and fool yourself into thinking that every other guy is an 'asshole' or a 'jerk' for 'tricking women' into feeling an attractiong for him, then that's a ok with me, you can stay single and miserable.. Attraction isn't a choice for women.. It's deeper than just a choice, it's a feeling.. EIther spark that feeling inside her or keep stroking your dick everynight all by your fucking self..

Oh yeah and the ole "Oh, you are pathetic because you need to sleep with a bunch of women to boost your ego." Ummm, not so much.. Truthfully, I like women so much I just want to please as many as I can to find that one that really knows how to please me.. Sex feels good, I enjoy it, I'm doing what I want to do.. Apparently you must like being alone if you have all the time in the world to complain what what I'm doing.. Fix yourself before time does it for you.. Don't be 75 years old wondering what if..

T-Matt

 

[drifter75]

Why do girls have one night stands when they say they are looking for something more?

Most girls dont want to be thought of as a ho, maybe? Your the only guy she has done this with. IMO

 

[NJL52]

Shame this thread has died, got some good material to converse about.

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

i have a question,anyone can answer............whats the best way to approach a girl to get a conversation started???im not talking some stupid pick-up line but more of a good conversation starter.......it doesnt necessarily have to be a line for a club environment.

Try saying hello....

 

[theCatWhispurrer]

what does it mean when you're with a girl at a bar and she does this:

http://www.sunfyre.com/images/pix/113.jpg

would that be a 'signal'?

DEFINETLY

 

[^Stefan^]

confidence is everything

Yes it is. But more importantly HONESTY.

You won't believe how much you'll get laid or find "the one" when you're honest up front. It's simple, if you're out to get laid then be honest about it (you'd be surprised to how many woman out there want the same). If you're looking for that special person then be honest about it.

Too many people play games which ultimately leads to pain and suffering. Quit the games, be HONEST and you'll end up in the arena you want.

 

[Bostonian]

Why do girls have one night stands when they say they are looking for something more?

Sometimes people just need to get Laid! It's that simple...