I hate my life

[Nathan]

I'm pretty sure I have fucking gyno in my right nip. It's not painful but when I touch it it is a bit tender. Not swollen nor does it look out of the ordinary. However, there is a small fucking lump now goddammit. Mother fucker. I am taking 100mg ed fina and 500mg eq a week. I was having lactating nips after last fina cycle but I started vitex and it has now stopped. But now gyno is the issue and obviously since I'm taking vitex @ 1.8mg daily about it isn't helping much. I need help obvioulsy and a few questions answered. I have like a whopping 10 tabs of nolva so I can take that for a few days until I can get some L-dex. Mayhaps bromo is the way to go though. I don't know what is causing it for certain. I'd like to hear some opinions and some experiences. Right now it doesn't bother me and isn't noticeable but I'm afraid it'll get worse. Has anyone just left it and had it stay the same? Does that usually happen? Fuck. Help greatly appreciated and if you mock me at least offer some constructive advice ya jackasses. I guess getting L-dex isn't a problem except for the money but oh well, it's the bromo that I am worried about getting quickly should you feel it worth my while. So, if anyone I KNOW WELL could PM me with advice in that matter I'd appreciate it. I have no credit card though.

 

[Japanese machine]

this happend to me on every fina cycle except the last one i did; which was completed 1.5 weeks ago. the diffference is that i used "Vitex Extract" not chastleberry plant. these tabs come in 80-100mg doses and are highly concerntrated extract, not the worthless plant. before trying anything, try this; coming from a guy who gets fina gyno.

hope this helps

 

[liquidmuscle]

i have done fina 3 times and the last time was the only time that if it was rubbed the wrong way it would fucking hurt, i was scared to death about gyno....if i were you i would get some anadrol and frontload a gram of test...lmao...no seriously use the nolv till you can get something else to help it stop, but to my knowledge it takes nolv a long time before it really works

 

[serge]

I'm pretty sure I have fucking gyno in my right nip. It's not painful but when I touch it it is a bit tender. Not swollen nor does it look out of the ordinary. However, there is a small fucking lump now goddammit. Mother fucker. I am taking 100mg ed fina and 500mg eq a week. I was having lactating nips after last fina cycle but I started vitex and it has now stopped. But now gyno is the issue and obviously since I'm taking vitex @ 1.8mg daily about it isn't helping much. I need help obvioulsy and a few questions answered. I have like a whopping 10 tabs of nolva so I can take that for a few days until I can get some L-dex. Mayhaps bromo is the way to go though. I don't know what is causing it for certain. I'd like to hear some opinions and some experiences. Right now it doesn't bother me and isn't noticeable but I'm afraid it'll get worse. Has anyone just left it and had it stay the same? Does that usually happen? Fuck. Help greatly appreciated and if you mock me at least offer some constructive advice ya jackasses. I guess getting L-dex isn't a problem except for the money but oh well, it's the bromo that I am worried about getting quickly should you feel it worth my while. So, if anyone I KNOW WELL could PM me with advice in that matter I'd appreciate it. I have no credit card though.

it might clear up when you come off, so dont sweat it

 

[needsize]

Nathan, if you need nolva drop me a line, I've got tons lying around, you can have whatever you need and you're close enough to get it next day

 

[alien amp pharm]

Damn you Nathan! I start my cycle, containing Fina, tommorrow and now you've got me scarred about getting "Fina gyno". Well actually thanks, maybe I'll learn what I ned to know from this thread.

So, what you people are saying is that Fina gyno goes away after the cycle ends???

 

[Prot]

Nolvadex works immediately

You need 40mg at first and then as needed. Some feel fina gyno is caused by a drop in circulating T3 and supplementing with 25mcg T3 per day is recommended when on fina cycle.

 

[nuh_mizer]

Nathan your my hero ,lol. I've got the same thing going on. I've been taking 10mgs nolva through this whole cycle. It's not going away but it's not getting worse. It will probably be reduced after you stop the fina.

 

[Nathan]

I'm using about 16.7 mcg of T3 daily as it is (1/3 of a 50mcg tab daily). I'll try chastleberrry extract then so thanks. I just want to be 100% clear that vitex is not raising my progesterone levels and fucking meup cause this is the first time I've tried it with fina. Yeah, I've heard generally fina gyno goes away once it is discontinued but still, I really don't want to wait and see how big this shit gets. What if it is the eq as well?

I'll let you know needsize. Thanks buddy. I think it worth a try.

 

[xsnrg]

I feel for ya Bro....Im sure things will work out ok.

 

[Nathan]

Pleeeeeaaaassssse more help. Anyone been in this situation and tried bromo? Did it work? More feedback and experience. I'll give karma for Pete's sake.

 

[Enigmaxxx7]

Damn you Nathan! I start my cycle, containing Fina, tommorrow and now you've got me scarred about getting "Fina gyno". Well actually thanks, maybe I'll learn what I ned to know from this thread.

So, what you people are saying is that Fina gyno goes away after the cycle ends???

SEARCH Fina AND Gyno and you will have LOTS of stuff to read. It was funny when everyone first starting using the wonder drug Fina and cried bullshit that it caused gyno. I said this so many times since then, I did a Fina only cycle and got gyno. I NEVER had gyno before. It was a light cycle too. And the gyno can go away if you stop using fina IMMEDIATELY after the first signs of gyno. But there is not gaurantee that it will ever go away without surgery. I'm not saying to NOT try fina. I would take all precautions such as Vitex, Winny, T3, etc and if gyno symptoms start, stop using Fina immediately. It took about 2 or 3 months for Gyno symptoms to subside. That's a long time to panic.

 

[Nathan]

SEARCH Fina AND Gyno and you will have LOTS of stuff to read. It was funny when everyone first starting using the wonder drug Fina and cried bullshit that it caused gyno. I said this so many times since then, I did a Fina only cycle and got gyno. I NEVER had gyno before. It was a light cycle too. And the gyno can go away if you stop using fina IMMEDIATELY after the first signs of gyno. But there is not gaurantee that it will ever go away without surgery. I'm not saying to NOT try fina. I would take all precautions such as Vitex, Winny, T3, etc and if gyno symptoms start, stop using Fina immediately. It took about 2 or 3 months for Gyno symptoms to subside. That's a long time to panic.

Fuck. I really don't want to stop the fina. I think I'm gonna keep going with it but take Nolva @40mg daily to see if it is from the eq and chastleberry extract if I can find it. Maybe I'll get some winny. Fuck. Anyone else? Why is it necessary to stop immediately to prevent gyno from leaving?

 

[The Almighty]

Nathan, try lowering the dose to 75mg and see if that makes any difference. Did you get gyno in your past cycles running 75mg?

 

[Nathan]

Nathan, try lowering the dose to 75mg and see if that makes any difference. Did you get gyno in your past cycles running 75mg?

No. I was hoping to hear from you. I was using winny though last cycles for most of the time I was on fina. I have gone up this high for a little while too. You got fina gyno correct? What the fuck are you doing to prevent it at 150mg daily?

 

[The Almighty]

No. I was hoping to hear from you. I was using winny though last cycles for most of the time I was on fina. I have gone up this high for a little while too. You got fina gyno correct? What the fuck are you doing to prevent it at 150mg daily?

I believe my gyno was prolactin induced since I got it about 4 weeks following the end of the cycle.

I just started my second week of 115mg/ed an no gyno yet. I am not taking any winny or anything else to combat the possibility of gyno, however I will take some vitex during my clomid therapy.

Try lowering the dose. If the gyno continues to grow, I think you may have to categorize yourself as one of the bitches who cant use fina.

 

[rperry]

i want to add fina to my cycle thats currently contains sust, deca, prop and d-bol. im scared to put in fina now, or could i put the fina at the end after the deca and sust are done for 3-4 weeks whil im wating to start clomid therapy. danm nathan, sux to have that happen. im on 10mg nolva ed now cause i get gyno very easily...

-hey, are you wearing your helmet at this moment...just making sure

 

[The Almighty]

i want to add fina to my cycle thats currently contains sust, deca, prop and d-bol. im scared to put in fina now, or could i put the fina at the end after the deca and sust are done for 3-4 weeks whil im wating to start clomid therapy. danm nathan, sux to have that happen. im on 10mg nolva ed now cause i get gyno very easily...

-hey, are you wearing your helmet at this moment...just making sure

If you worried about gyno dont run deca and fina together.

 

[BigAndy69]

Bro, forget about EQ causing your gyno, you've used enough test and never had a sign of gyno.

It's definetely the fina. I would start Liquidex at 1mg ED with nolva 20-40mg ED.

Prolactin, progesterone...at the end of the day it's an imbalance of estrogen.

 

[Nathan]

I believe my gyno was prolactin induced since I got it about 4 weeks following the end of the cycle.

I just started my second week of 115mg/ed an no gyno yet. I am not taking any winny or anything else to combat the possibility of gyno, however I will take some vitex during my clomid therapy.

Try lowering the dose. If the gyno continues to grow, I think you may have to categorize yourself as one of the bitches who cant use fina.

This really sticks in my craw. If I drop the fina my cycle is blown. Completely. I have nothing else for mass. I'm not gonna drop it yet. I'm gonna try Nolva and chastleberry extract first. See what happens. We can all agree though that if it gets worse and I drop the fina then it should subside correct? What does everyone think of thgis plan or am I a moron for fucking around here? Worse case scenario?

 

[Nathan]

Bro, forget about EQ causing your gyno, you've used enough test and never had a sign of gyno.

It's definetely the fina. I would start Liquidex at 1mg ED with nolva 20-40mg ED.

Prolactin, progesterone...at the end of the day it's an imbalance of estrogen.

I'm on top of the nolva but I can't afford the L-dex for another two weeks. Fuck. This is ugly. Still looking for more feedback on worse case scenario and my previous post.

rperry - I'm not wearing my helmet but I'm gonna cause it relaxes me somethin' fierce.

 

[marx]

Here's my story Nathan if this will help. I'm just finishing up a cycle and i was running 100mg prop ED, 75mg Fina ED, and 50mg Winny ED. I started noticing gyno symptoms about 2 weeks into the fina, but wasn't sure what was causing it since i had been on test already for 6 weeks. BTW, i was also running 1mg Liquidex ED and 1g vitex ED. I jumped on nolv at 40mg ED and the symptoms subsided a little but still didn't completely go away. The lumps under my nips were still getting bigger so i decided to drop the fina, and continue nolv 20mg ED. They didn't get any worse after that but didn't get any better either. I started bromo at 2.5mg ED split AM and PM about 1 week after i stopped the fina, and have been on the bromo for about 2 weeks now and the lumps are almost gone. Vitex didn't do shit for me, if i were you i'd grab some bromo. JMO though...

 

[alien amp pharm]

Hey Nathan, I think Wal-mart is running a sale on their braziers. You might want to check it out

Seriously though, I'm sorry that happened to ya. It does make me a little nervous now. Say, didn't you just get off a cycle a few weeks ago?

 

[BigAndy69]

I'm on top of the nolva but I can't afford the L-dex for another two weeks. Fuck. This is ugly. Still looking for more feedback on worse case scenario and my previous post.

rperry - I'm not wearing my helmet but I'm gonna cause it relaxes me somethin' fierce.

I've got a few liquidex vials, I'll send you one. Nolva I can't help you.

 

[The Almighty]

Nathan, if you need any nolva let me know.

 

[Nathan]

Nathan, if you need any nolva let me know.

Thanks bro but I think I'm covered for nolva. All I have left to find is bromo. Anyone own a bromo farm?

 

[Nathan]

Nathan your my hero ,lol. I've got the same thing going on. I've been taking 10mgs nolva through this whole cycle. It's not going away but it's not getting worse. It will probably be reduced after you stop the fina.

What are you using bro?

 

[IronMonkey69]

Bromocriptine is what you'd want to help with fina gyno.
Chasteberry aka Vitex is what we were all researching at the same time as Bromocriptine.

Some people have had luck with getting rid of fina gyno using Vitex or even a combination of Vitex and Nolvadex. Yet there is no factual evidence that it works. So if you are sensitive to gyno when on fina, you may want to avoid Vitex and stick with Bromocriptine. Then again the people who had good luck with Vitex would call me every name in the book.

Bromocriptine doses should be 1.25g two times a day and it's very wise to be strict with that dosage as bromocriptine has been shown to elevate GH levels and that'd just aggravate the gyno....Mr H admin GotFina

Straight from the horse's err bull's mouth..good luck

You've Got Mail

 

[Quadsweep]

Mine was getting REALLY, REALLY BAD before I started my contest drugs. I do not usually have a problem beyond a little swelling. But I uped things a lot this year and it got bad before my Nolva came in. I usually only use it 3 weeks out from a show but I had to for several months. My Gyno is almost gone now D ) With only 10mg Nolva but I am using 75mg a day of Proviron and that really knocked it down. I was using Vitex too because of the Fina but it seemed to make me hold a little water. hope it works out!

Peace, Quad

 

[Dantes]

Well if you really are fucked, look on the bright side. A gyno operation in Canada shouldn't cost you anything, unlike the US.

 

[Nathan]

Mine was getting REALLY, REALLY BAD before I started my contest drugs. I do not usually have a problem beyond a little swelling. But I uped things a lot this year and it got bad before my Nolva came in. I usually only use it 3 weeks out from a show but I had to for several months. My Gyno is almost gone now D ) With only 10mg Nolva but I am using 75mg a day of Proviron and that really knocked it down. I was using Vitex too because of the Fina but it seemed to make me hold a little water. hope it works out!

Peace, Quad

What caused the gyno? You refused to come off as well I take it? How long did it take for the gyno to start getting 'bad' and could you define 'bad.' Thanks bro.

 

[Nathan]

Well if you really are fucked, look on the bright side. A gyno operation in Canada shouldn't cost you anything, unlike the US.

Are you sure the surgery is free in Canada? Right now though there is nothing but a small lump that you can only notice if you play around with it which is no big deal. I just don't want to let it get much worse.

 

[Nathan]

Bump.

 

[Golfer18--old]

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=125178

 

[Nathan]

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=125178

Can't see it. I'm not Platinum.

 

[Enigmaxxx7]

This really sticks in my craw. If I drop the fina my cycle is blown. Completely. I have nothing else for mass. I'm not gonna drop it yet. I'm gonna try Nolva and chastleberry extract first. See what happens. We can all agree though that if it gets worse and I drop the fina then it should subside correct? What does everyone think of thgis plan or am I a moron for fucking around here? Worse case scenario?

It sounds like your mind is already made up and you won't drop the Fina. If you're wanting to hear re-assurance that the gyno will go away, you better talk to the TIT FAIRY. I'd at least lower it. Or hell add more and change your name to Natalie.

 

[Nathan]

It sounds like your mind is already made up and you won't drop the Fina. If you're wanting to hear re-assurance that the gyno will go away, you better talk to the TIT FAIRY. I'd at least lower it. Or hell add more and change your name to Natalie.

Jeez thanks for the harsh assessment. Here's what I've made up my mind about: I'm not giving up off the bat. I will drop the fina if it is getting worse and L-dex, nolva, and bromo do not work. I think it worth a shot before abandoning everything right away. I'll change my name anyways though cause Natalie is much prettier.

 

[solidspine]

Nathan

Don’t go too wacko, it is not permanent, jump on the nolvadex immediately and get some liquidex from our friend here in the states, very reasonable.


Solidspine

 

[Fat Bastard]

I believe my gyno was prolactin induced since I got it about 4 weeks following the end of the cycle.

I just started my second week of 115mg/ed an no gyno yet. I am not taking any winny or anything else to combat the possibility of gyno, however I will take some vitex during my clomid therapy.

Try lowering the dose. If the gyno continues to grow, I think you may have to categorize yourself as one of the bitches who cant use fina.

Hey Almighty, I read a post recently( Can't remember by who) that recommended not running clomid and vitex together. Sorry, don't remember why. Just trying to look out for a fellow Fina junkie!

 

[chrisoh]

this really sucks Nathan, I hope you get some Bromo and get the gyno cleared up. I'm starting a 150mg/ED cycle of fina this week, I hope I don't have the same shit go down that you did.

 

[The Almighty]

Hey Almighty, I read a post recently( Can't remember by who) that recommended not running clomid and vitex together. Sorry, don't remember why. Just trying to look out for a fellow Fina junkie!

I actually remember that too. I may give it a try just to see how my body responds.

 

[DeathB4Dishonor]

man, im about to start my very first cycle of fina soon. and this is making me confused lol. im gonna be using. fina at 75mg/eod, winny 50mg/ed, sust 500mg/ed. what else should i taking to prevent any kind of gyno? keep in mind that get gyno very very easily. should i even be using fina?? what ya think? let me know

 

[Primal X]

Nathan trust me on this one. I was in the same situation as you are and I dropped fina for a week and immediately began taking arimedex at 1mg ed. After waiting for the my estrogen levels to drop I hopped back on the fina after a week and I didnt feel shit, no ymptoms, chest pains, nothing. Arimedex was the only thing I took. Good luck bro.

 

[Enigmaxxx7]

Jeez thanks for the harsh assessment. Here's what I've made up my mind about: I'm not giving up off the bat. I will drop the fina if it is getting worse and L-dex, nolva, and bromo do not work. I think it worth a shot before abandoning everything right away. I'll change my name anyways though cause Natalie is much prettier.

LMAO!!! At least you still have a sense of humor. I think this is your best plan of attack. Don't give up. If it doesn't subside, just try lowering it with the L-dex/bromo or get off for a few months to let it subside.

Sorry about the harsh assessment, but I REALLY think you want to know the truthful possibilities. Once you have hard mass gyno, surgery will be the only way to remedy it. I don't think anyone wants to get to that point. All this hard work AND expense and you get gyno? It's enough to make you sick.

I'm just speaking from Fina gyno experience.
Sorry bro, don't hate the messenger.

 

[scrappy]

fina sucks

After doing what I thought was good research I did some "safe" tren only and tren/win cycles.
I clearly got puffy nips, but no hard lump and I belive prolactin to be the cause... Tren also destroyed my sex drive...another symptom of an increase in prolactin.

After all this I think I'm gonna use test and D and just run with arimidex and nolvadex. At least I know what they convert to and can block it.

 

[Nathan]

Okay, here's where I'm at today. The Nolva SEEMS to be helping though it may be a bit early to tell. My nips are less sensitive and the lump seems to have been reduced a little bit.

I NEED to know though EXACTLY what I need to be looking for if it is getting worse, god forbid. Is it mainly the lump getting bigger that I need to watch for? It's not really fatty deposits around the nips I need to watch for right mainly just the lump? What about if nips get bigger? How big can they get and would they get bigger still once the lump has appeared? Thanks everyone for all your help and please keep it coming. I was gonna talk a bit about my urethra cause you just don't see enough good urethra posts round here but I'd like to keep the responses mainly serious. Thanks again.

 

[alien amp pharm]

When I start my Fina, i'm going to run it for 2 weeks on then 1 week off repeatingly during my whole cycle. I believe this may solve the Fina gyno problem.
Has anyone ever tried this?

 

[Nathan]

When I start my Fina, i'm going to run it for 2 weeks on then 1 week off repeatingly during my whole cycle. I believe this may solve the Fina gyno problem.
Has anyone ever tried this?

I wouldn't do that. I don't think you'll have any problems on the first time around at least bro. Just fucking do it or don't. Right now the symptoms really aren't a problem or a big deal. So long as it doesn't get worse I'm kosher - knock on wood.

 

[The Almighty]

When I start my Fina, i'm going to run it for 2 weeks on then 1 week off repeatingly during my whole cycle. I believe this may solve the Fina gyno problem.
Has anyone ever tried this?

No good son. Fina has a really short half life so taking a week off every two weeks is just like stopping your cycle every 2 weeks.

 

[alien amp pharm]

Oh well, it was worth a try. I guess I'll just take the Vitex, Ldex, and maybe some Bromo and just hope for the best.

Keep us updated Nathan on any changes.

 

[Nathan]

No good son. Fina has a really short half life so taking a week off every two weeks is just like stopping your cycle every 2 weeks.

Yeah, hi. Remember me? What signs/symptoms should I be on the look-out for?

 

[scrappy]

Hey Alien amp farm
I did 2weeks on 2off 2 on and I still noticed it
I ran 150mg/day for the first 2 days of the first cycle followed by 75mg/day
Next cycle 150mg/day for the first 5 days followed by 75mg/day.

And yes this is exactly like being off because Tren acetate's half life is like a day or two.

 

[Nathan]

Could we focus here guys? I'd like an answer on what to watch out for before I let this go. Please?

 

[Enigmaxxx7]

Nathan, these are all signs of impending gyno. Puffy nips, sore nips, itchy nips, swollen nips, enlarged aeriolae (sp?), underlying hard tissue. Be on the lookout for all of these.

 

[SCOTTY-TWO-HOTTY]

MOTHER FUCKER!!! I went away on vacation for a few weeks and this is what I came back to!

Nathan- Really sorry to hear about this, I hope everything works out. Sounds like you're approaching it properly.

I now have GREAT CONCERNS though, about starting my upcoming cycle. I'll be using the same variant of Tren as Nathan(Spectro) and Tren is the only drug in my cycle that I have no past experience with. My Cycle starts next week, but the Tren&V stage wont be until the fall. So I still have considerable time to gather data on the subject of Fina Gyno.

Take care Brothers
S.

 

[alien amp pharm]

Tren is the only drug in my cycle that I have no past experience with. My Cycle starts next week, but the Tren&V stage wont be until the fall.

I'm with ya bro. I have no past experience with Tren either. My Tren starts in two weeks! I'm a nervous wreck. Trust me, every precaution will be taken.

 

[Japanese machine]

Could we focus here guys? I'd like an answer on what to watch out for before I let this go. Please?

stop you bitching and buy the EXTRACT!!!!!! j/k

some signs of gyno are:

itch
pain
small lump
increased nipple diameter/darker colour.
**puffyness: always subsides after the cycle.

 

[Nathan]

Aiight. I know all those symptoms, but I'm there for the most you see. I have the lump and a bit of tenderness. That's about it. My question, how do you tell if it is getting worse? Will the lump grow and that basically be it? It isn't getting any worse in the last two days so hopefully it'll stay like this and then leave post cycle. I'm also working on getting some bromo. I just have to Western Union the money tonight. Taking Nolva @ 40mg also and i got 65 more tabs so I'm covered there. Has bromo not worked for anyone? Did anyone try using it once they already had gyno and were still on?