I got my 1st cycle planned out

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Ok i decided on this

350 mg Equipose weekly for 11 weeks
250 mg Test-Enanthate every 5 days for 12 weeks

and then what dosage of clomid should i use, and armidex?

 

[gilly6993]

If you don't know how you should run clomid and arimidex I think you need to do some more research....and why are you running the EQ for 11 weeks and the test for 12?

 

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because with a single esther like cyp or enth you can shoot every 5-7 days, it'll help me adjust to getting off of it, dont you agree that it's better than stopping all at once?

and about the clomid and arimidex i've researched it plenty, i was only trying to get ur guys's opinions. I've never done this before, i think that you guys would know whats better for this specific cycle rather than a document w/ steroid profiles in it.

 

[gilly6993]

What are your stats?....Why not just simplify things.....500 test and 400 EQ for 10 or 12 weeks.....clomid should start 3 weeks after EQ and Enan so ending one before the other will do no good.....I would run .5 mg Arimidex ED with 500 mg of test and the standard 300, 100, 50 clomid regimen.....

 

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dont u think thats a little much for the 1st cycle?

stats. 5'10" 175 , 9.5% body fat. Max bench 245 Max Squat 410

 

[Realgains]

Ok i decided on this

350 mg Equipose weekly for 11 weeks
250 mg Test-Enanthate every 5 days for 12 weeks

and then what dosage of clomid should i use, and armidex?

Bro thats a good first cycle.

I would limit the time "on" to 12 weeks .

Do a loading dose of both on day one. Inject a double dose of both on day one. In that way the blood hormone levels will be anabolic very soon. If you don't front load then it will take a couple weeks for levels to reach your desired point. DO NOT be afraid of these loading doses as they are safe. We do them all the time in the medical field and with drugs far more toxic than eq and test and we experience no adverse affects at all.

Eq is in a longer acting ester than test enanthate so you will start clomid about 18 days after the last eq shot. Start with 300mg on day one in divided doses with food(helps absorbtion) Then do 50 mg per day for 4 weeks.

I would rcommend that you use HCG at 5oo iu's/day for two weeks mid cycle and then again during tha last two weeks. You can inject it either IM in the muscle or sub Q in the fat. The HCG is importnat in long cycles as it will increase your testes size to 100% and thus the testes will be able to respond well to LH from the pituitary after the cycle ends. If you don't use HCG your testes will take a while to respond well to LH and you will loose more gains.
Personally I use HCG in every cycle of 6 weeks of longer.

You will not need arimidex so don't waste your money.
Eq doesn't aromatize that much and the dose of test in not high enough to cause problems. Also estrogen inhibitors will mess with your lipid profile quite a bit and steroid are bad enough at that alone. Also moderate amounts of estrogen are needed for optimal growth as estrogen stimulates IGF-1.


I would have either nolvadex or clomid on hand througout the cycle and take either 50 of clomid or 20 of nolve per day if the nipples even begin to get tender. Rub them with soap in the shower as a tester. Both clomid and nolvadex are estrogen blockers and are almost identicle drugs . Both can be used for gyno protection and both can be used for recovery reasons too.

RG

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

dont u think thats a little much for the 1st cycle?

stats. 5'10" 175 , 9.5% body fat. Max bench 245 Max Squat 410

nah bro gilly is right (for the first time, lol). i'm doing 750mg sust (250 m/w/f) and 400mg EQ (200 m/f) both for 10 weeks, along with dbol 50mg first 5 weeks and tren orally last 5 weeks. This is basically my first "real cycle"....not counting winny/anavar/dbol/PH/PS/Clomid/anti-E's usage previously. so i got some previous exp on a first timer....but not much. as for training/nutrition/supp's i got about 16 years experience on that, lol. but i'd say at least 500mg sust and 400mg EQ would do nicely. why not at least a litte dbol first week or so? maybe even 20-25mg. also the clomid et al gilly suggested is correct too. amazing he got two things right. lol.

 

[raider2124]

Hey bro stick with your original cycle and follow exactly what Realgains has laid out for you! Gilly he wants to run the test a week more than the EQ so he can start clomid therapy about 2 1/2 weeks after his last shot of both. EQ takes closer to 3 weeks to get out of the system and the Enanthate takes 2 weeks so why not make it so both are leaving the system at the same time.

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

damn, they figured out me and gilly are dumb. shit, what are we to do now????

 

[gilly6993]

damn, they figured out me and gilly are dumb. shit, what are we to do now????

..I guess I'm outta here....

 

[Quadsweep]

Sorry Warbird and Gilly...Realgains hit it on the head! But please stick around you will probably be right next time!

Quad

 

[gilly6993]

Sorry Warbird and Gilly...Realgains hit it on the head! But please stick around you will probably be right next time!

Quad

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

Sorry Warbird and Gilly...Realgains hit it on the head! But please stick around you will probably be right next time!

Quad

yeah but your a former conservative sissy turned mega dosing freak. lol. so your opinion don't count. us moderates are correct! 500mg/400mg!! do it! do it! seriously though....either "camp" is correct. but you'll get bigger on our suggestions.

 

[Realgains]

yeah but your a former conservative sissy turned mega dosing freak. lol. so your opinion don't count. us moderates are correct! 500mg/400mg!! do it! do it! seriously though....either "camp" is correct. but you'll get bigger on our suggestions.

Bro Quad is 5'7" and 230-240(and not fat) in the off season so when you get 60 pounds above your natural leanish mass then you can start with the big doses he he he Actually Quad is quite moderate compaired to many and he just recently uped his doses anyway in hopes of going all the way.

RG

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

Bro Quad is 5'7" and 230-240(and not fat) in the off season so when you get 60 pounds above your natural leanish mass then you can start with the big doses he he he Actually Quad is quite moderate compaired to many and he just recently uped his doses anyway in hopes of going all the way.

RG

i know all that....but i dont think 750 sust/ 400 EQ EW 10 weeks with 50mg dbol 5 weeks...oral tren 5 weeks, is a big deal for someone who is 31 and has only done very mild cycles, and has almost two decaeds of training and supp and diet experience. but if you guys say that is a megadose cycle. so be it....i'm gonna do it anyway.....

 

[Realgains]

i know all that....but i dont think 750 sust/ 400 EQ EW 10 weeks with 50mg dbol 5 weeks...oral tren 5 weeks, is a big deal for someone who is 31 and has only done very mild cycles, and has almost two decaeds of training and supp and diet experience. but if you guys say that is a megadose cycle. so be it....i'm gonna do it anyway.....

I wasn't referring to that cycle but rather the cycles that Quad is using now.

The cycle you mention is fine and is for someone of your experience.

RG

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

I wasn't referring to that cycle but rather the cycles that Quad is using now.

The cycle you mention is fine and is for someone of your experience.

RG

Oh IC. Ok then..........but quad is trying to keep up with the superior black athelete. so he needs all the help he can get. lol. wait till he see's this! lol.

 

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ok you've kinda convinced me to up the dosages a bit, so how bout

400 Mg EQ
300 Mg Test-Enant

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

ok you've kinda convinced me to up the dosages a bit, so how bout

400 Mg EQ
300 Mg Test-Enant

sounding better........... take the 500mg test!! take the 500mg test .......wait, who the hell is that guy with the horns giving advice??? looks sketchy to me.

 

[Realgains]

Enough already

RG he he he

 

[Counterstrike]

hey RG i thought you only promote short cycles 2 weekers only lol

 

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So i'm gona run

400 mg eq weekly
300 mg Test-enan every 5 days

11 weeks, i calculate that i'll need a total of 4400 MG of EQ, the EQ comes in 200mg/ml 10ml, so i'll calculate that i'll need exactly 2.2 bottles??

For the test-enan 4800 mg total
it comes in 250mg/ml 10 ml so if i get 2 of these i'll have a bit extra.

both of these are QV products. Also the comid comes in 30tab boxes, what is the dosage per tab?

Also would anyone recomend throwing a little d-bol or something at the start?

 

[sauerbrauten]

Lo, mail me the rest of your juice ill do the remaining 200 mg for yo uso you have the best of both worlds..not waste juice and do your cycle!!!!!!



PS: The dose syou want to do sound good for your cycle..good job gathering info... good to see your not megadosing liek some peeps on 1st cycles...