I got better results off PH than AS!

[Studly Hungwell]

May-June I took 600mgs. AD-1 for 5 weeks. 8 pound weight gain, strength up around 30 pounds on compound movements. Kept all but a few pounds post HCG/clomid.

Started test cyp 250mgs and 40mgs. anavar 6 weeks ago and still on. Gained 6 pounds and up maybe 20 pounds on compound movements. Diet and exercise same as AD-1 cycle.

I don't think it all boils down to quality of products. It may be I'm much closer to my genetic potential and the adaptation to routine.

I'm still trying to make that conversion from dropping AS all together and just using PH to make gains. The comparison of the two is helping in that regard. So far, two thumbs up for PH!

I know if I took this to the juice enthusiast on the AS board they would say my dosage is too small, not eating enough, need to vary my training, blah, blah, blah...same can be said for PH.

I used high dosage in the past. All I can say: Higher the climb, harder the fall.

 

[Scaggs]

That is a really bold statement to say. PH's better results than AS? how long did you wait to cycle your AS after coming off your 1-AD cycle? maybe it has to do with your recepters. Cycles being too close.

Scaggs

 

[Studly Hungwell]

I waited one month. It may be due to the fact that I've done three cycles in the past two years using three times more gear on each.

Also, the time I took AD-1, I reached rock bottom in my weight lifting porformance. I had no where to go but up. I really think you will get more out of regular AS than PH. The recent experience is more of a fluke, but as we now know; can be a possibility for some.

 

[Greek Freak]

No one tries to say tht PH's dont work at all, but everyone agrees(for the most part) that AAS will produce much better gains when used properly.

 

[riskybizz007]

I've gained more w/ 1AD than a couple of my cycles as well.

 

[Scaggs]

You know.... whether its because of massive AS cylces in the past or not, to ever gain more off a PH than AS due to any variables is an awsome thing.

Good To know,

Scaggs

 

[Fortes]

"That is a really bold statement to say."

Why is that so bold? A prohormone, by virtue of being just a prohormone, does not make itself less effective then different types of non-precursors.

For instance, I'm sure some mentally sick chemist could develop a methyltrienolone prohormone, for example, or a different prohormone which converts to a steroid so potent that tiny dosages would be a MUST.

Let us remember that 1-AD converts to a double-bond isomer of testosterone that has been proven to cause a mytrophic response 600% greater than testosterone alone, in vitro.


"No one tries to say tht PH's dont work at all"

Well, some stupid blockheads still do, unfortunately. They can't get over their "hardcoreness" or something.

"but everyone agrees(for the most part) that AAS will produce much better gains when used properly."

Everyone could agree that George Washington was really a ham samwhich and it would not make it true. That aside, which AAS are we talking about? Oral primo may or may not give you better strength gains than 1-AD in comparable dosages. Winstrol, on a qualitatively similar dose (say 75 mg of winny a day vs. 600 mg 1-AD a day) will not give you better gains in strength or size, and wether or not it would be a better aid in cutting is quite debatable. Most people who take 1-test products, including 1-AD, have reported losses in bodyfat while BULKING.

Yeah, you guessed it, I'm a huge 1-AD fan

400 mg/day for a month gave me 65 lbs. on my bench (300 to 365), 50 on my squat (405 to 455), gave me 15 lbs. of extra mass, increased my unweighted chins from 7 to 14 in a set, and so on.

And mind you, I'm not tiny, 5'11", 245 lbs. For its conversion ratio (PA estimates it about 15%), that's 60 mg of androgen a day, or about 420 mg per week, as a sole androgen.

However, it made my hair fall out (gasp!) and it gave me some serious estrogen rebound issues post cycle, in addition to decreasing my flexibility severely, giving me lower back tightness and making my heart flutter between beats. So I'm not so sure I'll do it again . . . man, I wish it didn't have any sides.

 

[Scaggs]

Fortes Are you predisposed to MPB? When you say your hair fell out? How much are we talking here? Did any of it grow back since you've been off it? That is my biggest concern. Hair loss.

Thanks,

Scaggs

 

[THeMaCHinE]

What brand of test cyp did you inject? What was your injection frequency? What brand of ox did you ingest? What was your ingestion frequency?

Your AS cycle was 6 weeks?

You say your diet was the exact same? How many calories per day did you take in, exactly? What were your protein/fat/carb ratios? You keep a food diary to support that your diet was the same, correct?

Did you follow the same sleep patterns? Have you had any additional stress in your life? Did you come off either cycle with clomid/nolva? Did you you use liquidex concurrent w/ your AS cycle?

Were you training the same way as you were last time? How was your strength on the AS cycle vs the PH cycle? What were your beginning and end measurements? What was your beginning and end bodyfat percentages on both cycles (not guesses, but actual measurements)?

 

[Fortes]

Scaggs -

I had absolutely NO problems with MPB before I took 1-AD. Ever since then, all the tiny hairs on my hairline (especially the two corners) have been falling out. I can rub my hairline and watch hair fall out without fail. However, a LOT of the hair I lost did grow back, and my hair looks fine now. But when I was on . . . people noticed. My younger brother REALLY noticed. He said, "Dude, you're going bald!"