I fucking hate weighted pullups.

[frorider6]

I added them into my program for some variation, hoping they would help to thicken up my back. I read something Big Buck posted once about wanting to up his pullup range. It was already at some ungodly amount. Anyway, someone suggested weighted pullups.

My set last week was
warmup unweighted/5
warmup unweighted/5
then
25lbs/5 reps
25/4
25/4

I hate these fucking things! Just thinking about them drains my strength. I just stick with it hoping that I'll learn to love it as much as deadlifts.


Anyone else ever try them?

 

[b fold the truth]

Are these palms under or over?

Just wait till you gain more and more weight...haha...I hate these when I start bulking and gain weight.

They make me grow yet I still don't like them.

B True

 

[frorider6]

Palms over and I think I've gained about 10 lbs since I started them.

Hate them so much!

Even though I hate them, I think they're better than the lat pulldown machine. More muscles involved and less ability to cheat.

 

[sysopt]

I hate palms over as well. I only feel like I'm getting a good forearm workout. Try palms under.

 

[b fold the truth]

Palms under is easier and I don't think that they build as much muscle.

Forgot to say good job Fro...

B True

 

[Jacob Creutzfeldt]

If you hate pullups done with standard form, then try hyperpullups. Increase your total working weight by 30%(bodyweight+dead weight) and have a partner aid the concentric motion while you perform a 10 second eccentric unassisted.

 

[Needhelp]

This probably sounds really stupid, but how do you do weighted pull ups?

 

[BlkWS6]

Just use a belt in which you can attach weight to (dip belt or whatever you call them) , or if you dont have access to one of those, just try and keep the weight interlocked between your ankles (dumbbell), I would advise the the belt though!

 

[bm2k]

Agreed, I hate them too. They become a real bitch with weight gain. When hypertrophy is your goal strength tends to get neglected. Consequently, weighted exercises like these get progressively harder.

 

[rgosit]

im about to start them in a few weeks...cant wait..

i like weighted dips though..

 

[rippedtrojan]

those are one of my favorite exercises! the most weight i got was a 50lb db for 6 or 7 reps. that was when i was weighing around 150. i can probably get close to that still at 160.

for those of you who don't have chain belts, you can still use a regular lifting belt (which is what i do 'cause my school gym is gay and doesn't have one...supposedly they are getting a new one). just leave it very loose. i usually get a large wide belt locked on the first or second notch, and just put one end of the db through belt and let it hang. much easier than trying to hold the db between your legs, especially when using heavier weights.

 

[bigbadmadmanD]

I love those things, especially palms facing with a reasonably wide grip with a 45 plate strapped between the legs. Gets many looks from the cardio section, thats the best part.

 

[Needhelp]

So you stuff the weight in a weight belt? I want to try these out..

 

[TerraNoble]

I have been doing weighted pull ups for a few years and are one of my fav exercise. I use a 40 lb backpack and use a wide overhand grip; they are the best exercise for the back.\

The secret of improving is "keep doing them" and you will get better. I remember when I was in the army and I was trying to improve my push ups, I was given the same advice . By keep doing them you will get better. Now I can do 20-22 wide grips and 8-12 with 40-45 lb weight.

They are a headturner when they are done in the gym using a weight.

 

[SAF]

I would recommend palm under. Palm over hurts my wrist, and they also fuck with my shoulder. I usually strap 2 45's around my waist and bust out 8 reps. It's a great lat work out.

SAF

 

[TerraNoble]

I would recommend palm under. Palm over hurts my wrist, and they also fuck with my shoulder. I usually strap 2 45's around my waist and bust out 8 reps. It's a great lat work out.

SAF

I wouldnt say that one is better than the other.
The underhand grip places intense focus on the biceps and brachialis and for this reason it can be integrated into a program focused on training the arm region.It also develops lats and teres major and pecs are also involved.

The overhand grip emphasizes the pectoralis, rhomboidus ,teres major and latisimus dorsi as well as biceps and brachialis in a less intense way.

When I do biceps I like to do 2 sets of uderhand pull ups !

 

[sysopt]

Palms under is easier and I don't think that they build as much muscle.

Forgot to say good job Fro...

B True

It's easier because it puts the biceps in a stronger position, the assisting link that always fails before your back does. Assuming the elbow flexors fail, one can no longer complete the movement. Since the biceps are in this position (stronger), they can handle a greater load (and are more resistant to failure) and therefore you can stimulate your back better and build more muscle. An analogy to this is benching...do you bench reverse grip (palms under)? no, because it puts your triceps in a weaker position and they would fail even earlier than they normally do and leaving your chest less stimulated than it would be if you benched normally. Palms over is a good forearm workout though, but that's not what I'm looking for...just my opinion.

 

[b fold the truth]

It's easier because it puts the biceps in a stronger position, the assisting link that always fails before your back does. Assuming the elbow flexors fail, one can no longer complete the movement. Since the biceps are in this position (stronger), they can handle a greater load (and are more resistant to failure) and therefore you can stimulate your back better and build more muscle. An analogy to this is benching...do you bench reverse grip (palms under)? no, because it puts your triceps in a weaker position and they would fail even earlier than they normally do and leaving your chest less stimulated than it would be if you benched normally. Palms over is a good forearm workout though, but that's not what I'm looking for...just my opinion.

Your analogy of the bench press does not hold water. People do the bench press for weight...hence using the way that you can use the most weight. Anthony Clark does the bench press with an underhand grip (as do other powerlifters also) because they can use more weight that way. Plain and simple...chins are harder than pull ups. Heck...I can curl more if I sway my back and stick my waist fwd about a foot...and it is easier...but it is not better.

People need to stop finding ways to make exercises easier and ways to make them harder and more complex. My opinion.

B True

 

[blaster220]

People need to stop finding ways to make exercises easier and ways to make them harder and more complex. My opinion.

B True

Great advice... no one said training would be easy. Although, for me, palms out (pull ups) are much more difficult than palms in (chin ups). Chin ups are easy to me for some odd reason, but pull ups kick my a$$ with no weight added!

 

[b fold the truth]

Great advice... no one said training would be easy. Although, for me, palms out (pull ups) are much more difficult than palms in (chin ups). Chin ups are easy to me for some odd reason, but pull ups kick my a$$ with no weight added!

That is wild man...if you have a weak point...work it. Stick with pull ups then.

B True

 

[rgosit]

chins are Much easier for me also...

its not even close..

 

[meadball]

i can do about 20-22 chins, 18-20 regular pullups, and 14-16 wide grip pullups. never in my life have pull-ups been easier than chins for me.

 

[b fold the truth]

This is so wild...never heard of anyone being able to do more chins (palms facing away from your face) than pull ups. I still think that chins hit your lats a lot more though. Maybe I am just weird...

B True

 

[frorider6]

...if you have a weak point...work it.

B True

The main reason I stick with it. Same goes for deadlifts.

 

[MarshallPenniford]

Bfold - there is a semantic issue here. Chins refer to any of the movements. Whether it is pronated or supinated is a different issue. Nobody was saying they can do more pronated then supinated.

At any rate, supinated chins do not work your back as well. It's really simple to understand. Not only do the lats not get as strong a contraction in this "less natural" position, but very simply, as explained above, the arm fails before the back - always. It's a weaker muscle. You want to put it in it's strongest position to avoid this happening for as long as possible. For some reason, many people don't understand this, you are not the only one to think that pronated chins are superior.

BTW - I love your Sunday posts - they rock! Good luck with your Strongman progress.

MP

 

[young guns]

b fold the truth: maybe people are considering chins to be palms facing you, which i thought was what you meant. they're alot easier for me too than palms facing away from me.

MarshallPenniford: i agree pronated pull ups are far superior. i've never gotten as much of a muscle contraction doing the supinated pull ups, much like reverse grip lat pulldowns aren't as effective for me as regular pulldowns.
(correct me if i'm wrong but pronated pulls is with the palms pointed away from the body right - i don't wanna be sayin the complete opposite of waht i mean)

 

[TerraNoble]

b fold the truth: maybe people are considering chins to be palms facing you, which i thought was what you meant. they're alot easier for me too than palms facing away from me.

MarshallPenniford: i agree pronated pull ups are far superior. i've never gotten as much of a muscle contraction doing the supinated pull ups, much like reverse grip lat pulldowns aren't as effective for me as regular pulldowns.
(correct me if i'm wrong but pronated pulls is with the palms pointed away from the body right - i don't wanna be sayin the complete opposite of waht i mean)

Just to make sure that we're on the same page here, the difference between a chin-up and a pull-up is the grip. Incidentally, the pull-up is a type of chin-up, technically.

Chins traditionally use a supinated grip (palms facing you), while pull-ups use a pronated grip (palms facing away from your body).

I am a firm believer that pull ups/chinups are one of the best overall back exerciseand for those hardcore pullups guy( I am one) I would suggest-Sternum chins-which I consider to be the undisputed king of compound exercises for the upper back.

The next link offer a excellent explanation and some variations of pullups/chinups. Some of them should not be attempted unless you can perform at least 12-14 correct pull ups.

Have fun and keep cranking those pull ups!

In my view pull ups are harder than chin ups...

here you go: http://www.testosterone.net/html/100back.html

 

[MarshallPenniford]

I screwed up in my post, what I meant to say was pronated chins are not superior to supinated. I said supinated where I meant to say pronated. Oops.

The palms-facing should be the best way as it delays the failing of the biceps as long as possible.

MP

 

[b fold the truth]

Ok...so I am totally confused...lol.

This is what I call a chin. This is what I consider to be the hardest for me by far as well as the best lat builder for myself. I also find it the most difficult to do. In this pic I am using a 2" thick bar to hold onto..it is smooth also.

Enjoy the fat guy doing chins...

B True

 

[bm2k]

That is what I would consider a pull-up.

A chin-up would be the same thing with a slightly closer, supinated grip.

Pull-ups are harder because the biceps brachii is ineffective in flexing the elbow when the forearm is pronated.

 

[Lord_Suston]

look at the fat guy doing chins....

I find palms facing away work the lats better, maybe it is just me but I want my lats to be worked so i pick the harder excercise. I have yet to have my bis give out before my lats on these because I go slow on the whole motion and emphasize the lat contraction part. If you have problems doing this try to lift by moving your elbows rather than trying to just get your chin above the bar....

 

[MarshallPenniford]

Unless you have a different understanding than I do of how muscles work, it would be impossible for your arm to bend without your biceps contracting. Therefore, when you put your arm in the weaker position, it fails sooner, and your chin-ups come to a grinding halt (they all are chin-ups - your raising your chin up above a bar either way). And believe me, when your doing chins to failure, your biceps fail every time. No way around it. I'm open to other ideas here, but it just doesn't seem that there is any way around it.

Pronated chins are without a doubt the harder excersise, but it does not make them a better lat builder.

 

[MarshallPenniford]

Also, let me apologize in advance if my above post deosn't read well, I'm really tired... 3AM here.

 

[Lumberg]

Another good way to emphasize the back muscles is to touch your sternum to the bar. Do this for as many reps as you can, and on the last couple you won't be able to do this but you can still squeeze out regular chins.

The key is, no matter what kind of chin up you're doing, don't setle for just getting your chin above the bar. Go as high as you possibly can.

JC