Huck & all - DNP - 5th day

[getgo]

This is my first DNP run:

Day 1 & 2: 200mg/day
Day 3 - 7 400mg/day

Supplements:

Quercitin 2g/day (started one day before cycle)
Magnesium 900mg/day
Vit C 3g/day
Vit E 1200g/day
Glycerol 3 tbls/day

I'm currently on Day 5 and frankly have had absolutely no noticeable side effects other than increased sweating. I have cut down my workout volume and energy levels are quite acceptable. I seem to be tolerating it very well so far. My questions:

1. Unless it suddently exhausts me in the next 2 days, can I continue the cycle past 7 days? If so, for how long should I do it ?

2. Can I increase my dose to 600mg/day?

Thanks all.

 

[reivog]

Hey bro,

Glad to hear that your doing ok on it.

In answer to your questions :

a) Yes you can go over 7 days, but dont go for more than 12 - 14 days

b) NO! Dont go to 600mg/Day! You WILL be bad. Just stay at 400. You will notice more results on day 6/7/8 then it will really kick in then if you carry on.

What was your weight before/now ?

Cheers

Paul

 

[Japanese machine]

This is my first DNP run:

Day 1 & 2: 200mg/day
Day 3 - 7 400mg/day

Supplements:

Quercitin 2g/day (started one day before cycle)
Magnesium 900mg/day
Vit C 3g/day
Vit E 1200g/day
Glycerol 3 tbls/day

I'm currently on Day 5 and frankly have had absolutely no noticeable side effects other than increased sweating. I have cut down my workout volume and energy levels are quite acceptable. I seem to be tolerating it very well so far. My questions:

1. Unless it suddently exhausts me in the next 2 days, can I continue the cycle past 7 days? If so, for how long should I do it ?

2. Can I increase my dose to 600mg/day?

Thanks all.

on your first 4 days, stay at 200mg/ed; you should allow for the build up to figure out your bodies tolerance.

200
200
200
200
400
400
400
400

Something like this, always go in increments of four; this will prevent an intolerable build-up. Keep it safe, it is your first hit at DNP.

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

I agree with the above responses,EXCEPT-You can go beyond 14 days if you're tolerating the sides well.I have gone 42 days straight before,and had I had access to quercetin at the time I would probably have gone longer.Not saying I recommend that,just that it has been done without too many adverse effects for me personally.I would recommend you keep it limited to no more than 21 days on this one.As stated above,don't go above 400mgs/day on your first run.

 

[WHITE716]

good job

thats good to hear man NO SIDES
im looking into hitting DNP is it tolerable enough to go into a
office job while on DNP... also have you lost any LBS yet...

 

[getgo]

Thanks all for your responses! I will try to continue for another few days but keep it at 400mg/day.

reivog & white716 - My weight hasn't really changed yet but from all the posts I've read, I should expect to see a drop around a week AFTER I complete my cycle.


white716 - if your office is airconditioned or the weather is cool, you should be fine. I made sure the airconditioning was cranked up and placed an additional fan next to my desk. It may just be how my body reacts to DNP, but truly, I was not particularly uncomfortable.

 

[Andy13]

This is my first DNP run:

Day 1 & 2: 200mg/day
Day 3 - 7 400mg/day

Supplements:

Quercitin 2g/day (started one day before cycle)
Magnesium 900mg/day
Vit C 3g/day
Vit E 1200g/day
Glycerol 3 tbls/day

I'm currently on Day 5 and frankly have had absolutely no noticeable side effects other than increased sweating. I have cut down my workout volume and energy levels are quite acceptable. I seem to be tolerating it very well so far. My questions:

1. Unless it suddently exhausts me in the next 2 days, can I continue the cycle past 7 days? If so, for how long should I do it ?

2. Can I increase my dose to 600mg/day?

Thanks all.

Be careful! DNP builds up in your system to a maximal concentration (which is based on the dose).

It takes 4 days at xmg/day for DNP to build up to this maximal blood level (for xmg/day).. If you take 400mg/day for a few more days you will see how it catches up with you.

Also, even when you are at a constant (high) blood level (ie, after day 4 at xmg/day), DNP will wear you down..

How did you diet before and during this cycle?

Andy

 

[getgo]

Andy13 - Thanks for the advice. I guess I'll continue till I feel I can. If I feel too drained of energy, I'll just stop.

As for my diet, I'm at around 2000cals, keeping my protein high, carbs mainly from fruit but also from a little rice/pasta, and fats low. My diet before this cycle was different only in that I had more carbs.

 

[Andy13]

Andy13 - Thanks for the advice. I guess I'll continue till I feel I can. If I feel too drained of energy, I'll just stop.

As for my diet, I'm at around 2000cals, keeping my protein high, carbs mainly from fruit but also from a little rice/pasta, and fats low. My diet before this cycle was different only in that I had more carbs.

If you are interested, i've written extensively on DNP... This is only for the advanced, but I started using high-dose, short duration DNP cycles.. I first would do 3-4 days of DNP, but found 2 days to be the best for me..

I did a lot of experimenting to develop this type of cycle.. I got best results (best fat loss, felt best, most muscle retention) when I would go super high for two days, eating ULTRA low calories for those two days and 1 1/2 days after, then carb up to begin another round... If I wanted to get ultra shredded ever again, that's how I would do it..

The thing I found was that, even on ultra-high doses, the 'like shit' feeling can be minimized by going into the cycle with moderately filled glycogen stores and eating carbs (Pepsi) only when I felt low energy..

Andy

 

[drveejay11]

Sounds cool!

 

[getgo]

Andy13 -

Sounds very interesting. This is my first DNP cycle, so as much as I'd like to jump into the deep end, I'll stick with 400mg/day for now. Maybe in future cycles I'll experiment with your idea! Thanks for your input.

 

[KillerLoop]

Andy - how high in mgs do you go for the two days personally?? And how low do you go in cals?? give us some numbers!!

 

[Andy13]

Andy13 -

Sounds very interesting. This is my first DNP cycle, so as much as I'd like to jump into the deep end, I'll stick with 400mg/day for now.

Yup.. It's a lot for a first timer.. That's why I call it an advanced protocol

Andy

 

[drrman]

andy, do you have a link to the information you posted on the short burst high dose cycles?? thanks

 

[Andy13]

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Andy - how high in mgs do you go for the two days personally?? And how low do you go in cals?? give us some numbers!!

I to to eat like a Samalian... The deal is, weight loss while on DNP depends on two things ONLY..

1) caloric intake (I have said nothing about sources of calories)

2) energy expenditure

I wanted to state this to dismiss those rediculous myths that you can eat anything you want on DNp and still lose weight.. You may 'still lose weight' but the amount of fat you lose while on DNP will be minimal if you pig out.

My tested theory, in a nutshell, is, you will lose the same amount of fat on DNP so long as 1) energy expenditure is same and 2) TOTAL amount of DNP is same.

What I mean by this is....

For instance, you can take 2000mg of DNP over 5 days, taking 400mg/day and you will lose the same amount of fat as if you took 2000mg over (for instance) 2 days... BUT you have to keep cals the same!

My results came when I would take 1200mg at 0hrs and 800mg at 24hrs... a total of 2000mg of DNP... And after day 7, I was ready to do it again.. Compare this with someone taking 400mg ED.. After 5 days (the same TOTAL amount of DNP) they cannot start another cycle right away as I can b/c their DNP levels are too high to permit recovery..

My type of cycle is for someone wishing to lose the most fat in the least amount of time.. The beauty of it is that I believe this is the ALSO the most comfortable way to lose high amounts of fat while on DNP... As you can see from the picture, the highest amounts of blood DNP are within the first few days and then dramatically drop after that.. However, with 400mg ED, you feel the DNP every single day...

You might say "but from the graph, the blood levels are higher for the 1200mg at 0hrs, 800mg at 24hrs then they ever are for a straight 400mg ED dose..."

This is correct.. however, an important observation I made was that the 'like-shit' feeling you get while on DNP is mostly from improper food intake but mostly from depleted glycogen stores.. During the first 2-3 days on the high dose cycle, when DNP levels are highest, your glycogen stores are not depleted! This means that, even though your blood levels are highest, you still won't feel as lethargic as you would on day 5 at 400mg ED..

Andy

 

[SonnyBlack]

hey andy. im currently gonna start a new dnp cycle.... this time I was gonna do 400 mgs a day for 14 days but since you say the results are equivalent to the amount of dnp used I was thinking of maybe doing 600 mgs for 9 days instead (equals to the same amount of dnp) What do you think about this???Also im 6 foot 220 pounds...ive done several dnp cycles in the past as you may know but the last few times Ive gotten very little to almost no fat loss from my cycles...the last two times I did 600 mgs for 14 days and hardly got any weight loss from it...it may have been the dnp (but it is from a reputed good bro so i dont know)...what do you think ivebeen doing wrong. These past cycles I ate very low cals and almost no carbs at all...I really dont know why dnp hasnt been working for me lately...any ideas or suggestions bro???

P.S: these dnp caps that im about to use in my next cycle are from another source and they arent the same dnp caps i took the last two times.

 

[Andy13]

hey andy. im currently gonna start a new dnp cycle.... this time I was gonna do 400 mgs a day for 14 days but since you say the results are equivalent to the amount of dnp used I was thinking of maybe doing 600 mgs for 9 days instead (equals to the same amount of dnp) What do you think about this???Also im 6 foot 220 pounds...ive done several dnp cycles in the past as you may know but the last few times Ive gotten very little to almost no fat loss from my cycles...the last two times I did 600 mgs for 14 days and hardly got any weight loss from it...it may have been the dnp (but it is from a reputed good bro so i dont know)...what do you think ivebeen doing wrong. These past cycles I ate very low cals and almost no carbs at all...I really dont know why dnp hasnt been working for me lately...any ideas or suggestions bro???

P.S: these dnp caps that im about to use in my next cycle are from another source and they arent the same dnp caps i took the last two times.

How many calories did you eat?

How did you determine your fat loss (calipers, etc)?

I like to eat super low cals while on DNP.. Like 1500/day... But then again.. I'm not doing 14 day cycles!

 

[getgo]

Well guys it's my 8th day and I'm sticking to 400mg/day. I've decided to keep going until the heat and clamminess get intolerable. I've been much hotter from day 6 onwards and sweating quite profusely. Although it's getting uncomfortable, it's still quite tolerable.

My workouts haven't been fantastic but I suspect there is a psychological component to that.

So far I've lost just under 5lbs on the scale. My pants are getting looser too but it's very difficult to gauge how much is muscle and how much fat.

All in all, it's been a smoother ride than I had expected - so far.

 

[SonnyBlack]

How many calories did you eat?

How did you determine your fat loss (calipers, etc)?

I like to eat super low cals while on DNP.. Like 1500/day... But then again.. I'm not doing 14 day cycles!

I ate around 1500 to 2000 cals a day...and Im 6 foot 220 pds...I determined my lack of fat loss to the fact that I could still pinch the same amount of fat with my calipers as I could before my cycle..I didnt loose anything..and the scale didnt move at all either..and plus whenever Ive had successful dnp runs in the past, (as dumb and unscientific as this may sound)the results are always very obvious when I look at myself in the mirror..and this last time, I looked exactly the same as before cycle...what do you suggest I do different this time bro...or how should I set my cycle up so it works????As I mentioned Ive gotten some new caps and maybe that will fix the problem (havent tried them yet)...what do you suggest bro....

 

[SofaGeorge]

The secret to DNP will always be to eat clean and low carb while on your cycle... not raising the dose.

And since BUSINESS WEEK failed to raise this issue in their shoddy example of "investigative" journalism...

...AND FOR GODSAKE DON'T LET AN ILL INFORMED MEDICAL COMMUNITY KILL YOU BY GIVING YOU CONTRAINDICATED DRUGS WHILE YOU ARE ON DNP!!!

 

[Andy13]

The secret to DNP will always be to eat clean and low carb while on your cycle...

Right... That's the secret to FEELING GOOD while on DNP...

But the amount of fat you lose depends on how much DNP you take and how many (total) cals you eat... No matter how 'clean' the food is...

Personally, I feel best aiming to eat next to zero carbs-- I only drink Pepsi when I need a boost.

Andy

 

[beefybull]

Andy, I've noticed you apparently take DNP quite often. I was just curious as to your body type (endomorph?) and what are typical results for YOU on a 2-day cycle or 3-day cycle?

Does DNP damage DNA or cause other reproductive abnormalities? Anyone on here had kids after using DNP?

 

[beefybull]

Bump

 

[SRD]

interesting to read this
one of the MT mods is also doing a similar post - read his experiences:
http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=24061

 

[barnidge]

Huck,

What is the best way to not have low T3 levels at the end of a DNP cycle? Is this something I should be worried about?

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Huck,

What is the best way to not have low T3 levels at the end of a DNP cycle? Is this something I should be worried about?

Not IMO.It doesn't cause any long term suppression of TSH,it's only very temporary.If REAL concerned about it,you could run 12.5mcgs/day of cytomel,but personally,I'd just let mine recover on its own.

 

[barnidge]

Thanks Huck. You would let it recover by doing what? Just by being off of DNP?

 

[HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex]

Yes,and by replenishing glycogen stores in the liver(carb consumption).This ramps up endogenous T-3 production.

 

[Andy13]

Andy, I've noticed you apparently take DNP quite often. I was just curious as to your body type (endomorph?) and what are typical results for YOU on a 2-day cycle or 3-day cycle?

Does DNP damage DNA or cause other reproductive abnormalities? Anyone on here had kids after using DNP?

I don't take DNP often.. Last winter I thought I'd try a few runs to see if I could find one that I felt was optimal..

With the two day/week cycle, I was easily losing 3-4 lbs/fat until I got down there real low.. Then I didn't lose as much fat because I didn't lower my cals enough.. Plus the t3 thing catching up etc.... These two day/weekers shouldn't be done for months on end.. It will just catch up with you.. But, hey, they are off the hook for blasting through a large amount of fat in one month.

I must remind you though... I did not just diet for two days, then hit the buffet.. I was very careful with my diet. I wanted the results to be as meaningful as possible...

I think if I were to do it again, I would find an amount of cals to eat/day to where I lost fat at a rate I was comfortable with, then drop it 100kcals every week..

 

[beefybull]

I don't take DNP often.. Last winter I thought I'd try a few runs to see if I could find one that I felt was optimal..

With the two day/week cycle, I was easily losing 3-4 lbs/fat until I got down there real low.. Then I didn't lose as much fat because I didn't lower my cals enough.. Plus the t3 thing catching up etc.... These two day/weekers shouldn't be done for months on end.. It will just catch up with you.. But, hey, they are off the hook for blasting through a large amount of fat in one month.

I must remind you though... I did not just diet for two days, then hit the buffet.. I was very careful with my diet. I wanted the results to be as meaningful as possible...

I think if I were to do it again, I would find an amount of cals to eat/day to where I lost fat at a rate I was comfortable with, then drop it 100kcals every week..

Sounds good. I'm going to try your 2-days eventually. I'm a little too beefy. I put on muscle & fat easily (Endomorph with Mesomorphic tendencies I guess). Better than being the opposite though, I guess. You never said what type of body composition you have.

Also, does DNP damage your DNA? Does it mess with the human male reproductive system? I dont want to not be able to have children just because I took something to lose some weight, you know what I mean? I'd appreciate any info/studies. Thanks Andy.

 

[Andy13]

Sounds good. I'm going to try your 2-days eventually. I'm a little too beefy. I put on muscle & fat easily (Endomorph with Mesomorphic tendencies I guess). Better than being the opposite though, I guess. You never said what type of body composition you have.

Also, does DNP damage your DNA? Does it mess with the human male reproductive system? I dont want to not be able to have children just because I took something to lose some weight, you know what I mean? I'd appreciate any info/studies. Thanks Andy.

I'd be classified as a mesomorph...

Yes, you are lucky in my opinion.. If I could either put on muscle fast or lose fat fast, I'd for sure choose to gain muscle fast and live with being 12% body fat.. Besides, ANYONE can lose fat.. NOt everyone can blow up like you probably can.

I don't believe DNP directly damages DNA.. You are correct in assuming that cancer is usually caused from damaged DNA.. But not ALL cancer causing agents directly damage DNA. For instance, there is a di-acyl-glycerol analog that is not readily degraded like normal DAG is. In a cell, DAG tells the cell to divide. However, this analog cannot be degraded.. This results in cells proliferating out of control (ie cancer)..

There is a test called the AMes test where they toss a chemical onto a bacterial culture and see if it mutates the DNA since there is no difference between bacterial and human DNA..

I think DNP passed this test... But, again, it certainly doesn't mean it WONT cause cancer..

Andy

 

[KillerLoop]

Andy on the 2 day cycle do you take the days DNP dose all at once or split throughout the day?

 

[Mischief]

Andy on the 2 day cycle do you take the days DNP dose all at once or split throughout the day?

For the love of God, split it throughout the day. 200 mg every several hours. Right now I'm finishing up a cycle with 800 mg / day for 4 days. I take 200 right when I wake up, one about noon, the next about 5 pm and the last 200 about a half hour before bed. And I'm feeling quite miserable and pathetic right now. I played 9 holes of golf this morning (with a cart) and sweated more than I ever have in my life. Drank almost 2 gallons of water that I brought too. Sunday night it will all be over (except for 3 more low carb / low calorie days before I carb back up).

 

[Andy13]

Andy on the 2 day cycle do you take the days DNP dose all at once or split throughout the day?

Allll at once... Well, I may split it up over a period of 3-4 hrs.. But when I take it around 7pm, the worst is over by morning.. so I would sweat much, much less than if I had taken it over the day.

Andy