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HST is simple, and even obvious

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I like that people are doing HST because I have good reason to believe it's the best program for growth that exists. However I feel a lot of people are doing it without understanding it, just as a change of pace. That's quite all right, but HST will be much more effective for anyone if they understand the "why" behind the "how." I posted this in "HST - devil's advocate" thread but I think it deserves its own thread.

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Bodybuilding is a "sport" that predates modern medical science. Thus bodybuilding tradition isn't based on what works in a scientific sense, just what has worked for somebody one time who also happened to be famous (arnold, arthur jones, mentzer).

In the past 10-15 years advances in medical science have allowed us to find out how it really actually works. And they found the following:

**NOTE: ALL OF THESE CLAIMS ARE TRUE** By this I mean these results occur reliably, under controlled conditions. Google "scientific method" if you don't know what that means.

-muscle growth is caused by the muscle experiencing "unaccustomed" loads, or higher weights than they are used to
-when these weights are lifted, the muscle will grow, but it will also become resistant to further growth at that given weight
-This resistance to growth can be reversed through a period of inactivity
-muscle growth lasts for 36-48 hours

Those four facts are all you really need to invent HST.

1. Muscle grows for 36-48 hours.
-> workout 3-4x per week for continuous growth
2. Muscles grow in response to unaccustomed weights,
3. They then become resistant to growth from that weight
-> increase the weight a substantial amount every session
4. Time off reverses the resistance
-> once you're accustomed to the highest weight you can lift, take some time off so that lighter ones will work again. Practical experience dictates 9-14 days.

That's it; that's why HST is the way it is. Once a lifter understands these principles he will suddenly understand why every routine he ever did either was or wasn't effective.

For instance, just by virtue of experimenting needsize noticed that if he adds 5-10 pounds to each lift every week on a traditional weekly split, it suddenly became much more effective. Thus needsize's 5x5 routine was born, and many here can vouch as to its quality. All it really does differently is the weight progression, but that makes a world of difference! It also incorporates a sort of deconditioning, which doubtless adds to the program's effect.

But the point is, the better a routine conforms to these known rules of muscle growth the more effective it will be. If one don't like the way HST does things, a creative lifter should be able to design his own routine using the principles listed that will both BE EFFECTIVE and BE FULFILLING.
 
I'll start off by saying I agree with your cause. I'm on my first HST cycle, currently on the 2nd workout in the 5's. I've seen some great gains, pretty much 3-4 pounds of muscle with 0 fat gain (I'm super lean so it would be obvious if I was gaining fat).

I think you should avoid saying HST is simple and obvious. The principles behind HST, while simple, have complex roots in a wide array of scientific studies and journals. Certainly the HST principles aren't obvious or there would never have been any reason to complete the research that backs it up. While it is a great program, it is based on scientific studies that inherently are complex.

Furthermore, while strategic deconditioning and progressive load are the major HST principles, there are many much more subtle ideas behind HST that must be understood to achieve its full benefit.

For instance, what length of time should the concentric and eccentric phases of a lift occupy? What role does increasing or decreasing overall volume have in growth? Does the growth from HST improve the potential for future strength gains (i.e. will westside or 5x5 be even more effective in building strength after a cycle or two of HST?). Why does zigzagging or overlapping seem to yield more growth than a linear progression even though this doesn't seem to meld with progressive load purism?

I honestly don't know the answers to these questions; they were just a few questions that have been bouncing around in my head lately that I haven't had time to research. I think my point here is that keeping an open mind is extremely important. In the end, people who take it upon themselves to do the research and truly understand HST will see the best gains.

And I'm not saying I'm there yet...


BTW, I'm not sure it was casual's intent to turn this thread into a Q&A, but if anyone knows the answer to any of those questions, please send me a PM or post here.
 
I didn't even read anything you posted.

I will share my limited HST experience with you.

It fucking sucks ass. Its the boringest fucking way of training ever, and i'm making great gains training everything every six days right now, so i'm not messing with a good thing.
 
psychedout said:
I didn't even read anything you posted.

I will share my limited HST experience with you.

It fucking sucks ass. Its the boringest fucking way of training ever, and i'm making great gains training everything every six days right now, so i'm not messing with a good thing.

Lol...

I have been considering giving HST a run but it is posts like this that make me think otherwise...I am gaining well training muscles 2x per week and am having FUN in the gym...which, though IMO shouldn't be the #1 reason for training...is definitely in the top 5 for me...

Anyways, I have read the testimonals and talked to people who have used the program and I believe it works...boring as it may be..
 
Ohhh, and not to stir up controversy.

Take all the biggest guys on this board and in real life:

needsize, Bigdho, bigandy69, quadsweep, galaxy... Jay cutler, Dennis James, Markus Ruhl.....etc -- surely they would know that HST is superior and train that way.

I don't think one single pro or very big guy trains that way. Surely if HST was the best way to train, most would follow it, yet I cannot find one single example.

Oh and also -- did you ever stand to think that the guy who invented HST stands to gain a hell of a lot financially by publishing these supposed studies that support things he sells? I seriously question what is behind them.

I'll stick with whats tried and true for me. Hitting everything basically once per week. Three times per week is silly IMO.
 
InTraining said:
I am gaining well training muscles 2x per week and am having FUN in the gym...which, though IMO shouldn't be the #1 reason for training...

Good post.

Fun may not be my #1 reason to train, but without the fun, I simply would not train.
 
Most programs DO encorporate similiar things from HST....I don't know if this really matters but casualbb made a point about 5x5 having somewhat of a deconditioning phase and progressive load phase..

Let's look at 2 other popular programs..DC and AST

DC has one doing a "blast" phase where they are constantly trying to beat previous #'s etc(progressive resistance) then a cruise phase for a number of reasons..but also this could be seen as a deconditioning of sorts...

AST encorporates progressive resistance(though not very clear about it, just move up when you hit all desired reps) and a one week "recovery" phase(deconditioning)

In fact, most programs advise taking one week off every now and then...and it's pretty hard to find a program that doesn't use SOME TYPE of progressive resistance, whether it be moving up the weight or trying to get more reps
 
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Good point, many fundamental principles such as progessive resistance (which I feel is the most important factor) are the same.
 
pyshed out you crack me up..first off science mean shit..there is a stiatistic that proves something well i can show you ne that disproves it too..does that mean HST is shit, no..theres a ton of RESULTS behind WSB..box squatting alone has a ton of worth!!..there sre som many ways to skin a cat (grow) that one method cannot be superior for the masses..it can be superior for an individual..i wont put HST down because i have never gone through it..i do agree with you pysched i havent seen many way beyond 200 lbs that use hst im sure they're out there..
 
psychedout said:
Jay cutler, Dennis James, Markus Ruhl.....etc -- surely they would know that HST is superior and train that way.

Hey bro what kind of training splits are these guys on? I'm guessing 1x per week per muscle group?

I know Coleman used to do 2x per week...not sure if he is doing that anymore...haven't seen the new video
 
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