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How well does Test preserve muscle on calorie defeciet diet?
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enacer420nj
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primobolan works well on calorie def diets...stack some with the test
All steroids preserve muscle on a calorie deficit but it's nominal. Catabolism is overstated. You don't lose much muscle on a calorie deficit.
If you get enough protein and take supps and don't get too extreme for too long, you won't lose much as long as you keep working out, don't do aerobics and get enough sleep.
Yep.
I think Dave P.'s philosophy of creating a hormonal environment for fat loss is good stuff and makes a lot of sense to me.
What is your take on it Nelson?
Dave P as in Dave Palumbo?
Nelson is anti-keto diet
Yes, Dave Palumbo.
I am not talking a Keto diet specifically, but creating the hormonal environment by means of optimizing proper fat intake so that the body will burn the fat instead of keep it. This can be achieved while carb cycling as well. It's not a keto-specific notion.
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I believe Dave's basic bulk template is something like 50g Pro, 30g cho, 20g Fat per meal for a 200 pound athlete. Combining the fat and carbs in one meal would/should blunt the insulin response from the protein/carbs and keep fat gain minimal while adding lbm. At least this is what I gather from his approach.
I personally like to keep my healthy fat intake high throughout the day. 9 kcal per gram sure does beat 4 kcal per gram when every calorie counts
Gotcha...
I believe Dave's basic bulk template is something like 50g Pro, 30g cho, 20g Fat per meal for a 200 pound athlete. Combining the fat and carbs in one meal would/should blunt the insulin response from the protein/carbs and keep fat gain minimal while adding lbm. At least this is what I gather from his approach.
I personally like to keep my healthy fat intake high throughout the day. 9 kcal per gram sure does beat 4 kcal per gram when every calorie counts
Yeah, if you get in a lot of healthy fats, and use a bit less carbs you can maintain a little bit leaner. I personally don't mind overspilling on carbs if I am going for mass. I never get crazy with it though.
I have started to supplement with 10 grams of fish oil everday and have been getting bettter results. Omega-3's do more for you than just make you healthy and promote fat loss. They are key to building lean tissue as well. Omega-3 deficient diets will not gain as much lean mass as those that have proper/sufficient amounts.
I don;t know all the specifics of Palumbo's plan but I do agree you need fat in order to burn fat. But you also need some carbs. I do not like the keto diet,nor am I a believer in manipulating carbs by loading and depriving. It's really unnecessary. Small amounts of complex carbs thoughout the day helps avoid catabolism. Other than that, drop the cals. Supplement extra nutrients, avoid excessive aerobic activity, do lots of low level exercise (like walking and biking) along with the weights and get enough rest and you'll be fine.
Wrapping up a 16 wk test/deca cycle dosed at 500/400mg. Going to cruise after on about 250mg test. I have gained fat during the bulk cycle that I would like to reduce. Would the cruise dose preserve muscle when on a calorie deficit diet? Say 500-800 below maintaince with low carbs. Not looking to get cut up just alittle definition.
I dont see the point of going on a low carb diet while on. Just reduce overall calories, lift hard and get a lot of protein in.
Also as someone who cuts a lot most people will lose very little if any muscle until they are under 10%. That is when the details become way more important. The easiest thing to do under 10% is stay in a protein rich environment all day and you do need carbs to get the protein into the muscles.
Also as someone who cuts a lot most people will lose very little if any muscle until they are under 10%. That is when the details become way more important. The easiest thing to do under 10% is stay in a protein rich environment all day and you do need carbs to get the protein into the muscles.
Currently on about 1000 calorie surplus can I reduce down when I start cruise dosage? Or maybe run at maintenance for a few weeks so body can adjust first? How many calories below maintenance can I safely go with 250mg test and plenty protein of course. I'll still have carbs then mainly before and after training and just watch amounts during the rest of day. Don't plan to go below 12-13%
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