how to run the Tbol?

[twelvejewelz]

this will be my 5th cycle. i want to run oral turinabol at the end of this cycle but not sure how i should go about it. which one looks better?this is for mass btw.and notice the tbol times in cycle #1 and #2 .

this was my last cycle and i gained 30 lbs and kept about 20 of it:
test cyp 500mg a week
deca 400mg a week
dbol 50mg ED

now which tbol is better #1 or #2?

Cycle #1
test cyp 500mg a week week 1-12
deca 400mg a week week 1-10
dbol 30mg ED week 1-6
tbol 40mg ED week 8-12


Cycle #2
test cyp 500mg a week week 1-12
deca 400mg a week week 1-10
dbol 30mg ED week 1-6
tbol 40mg ED week 12-14 (then start pct right after)

pct will be the same substances that i used in my last cycle as follows:

week 1-12 (or 14 depending on which cycle i choose) 400iu of hcg every 5 days

week 1- End of cycle 0.25mg of arimidex ED
week 13 40mg nolva/100mg clomid
week 14 30mg nolva/50mg clomid
week 15 20mg nolva/50mg clomid

 

[LiftHeavy078]

this will be my 5th cycle. i want to run oral turinabol at the end of this cycle but not sure how i should go about it. which one looks better?this is for mass btw.and notice the tbol times in cycle #1 and #2 .

this was my last cycle and i gained 30 lbs and kept about 20 of it:
test cyp 500mg a week
deca 400mg a week
dbol 50mg ED

now which tbol is better #1 or #2?

Cycle #1
test cyp 500mg a week week 1-12
deca 400mg a week week 1-10
dbol 30mg ED week 1-6
tbol 40mg ED week 8-12


Cycle #2
test cyp 500mg a week week 1-12
deca 400mg a week week 1-10
dbol 30mg ED week 1-6
tbol 40mg ED week 12-14 (then start pct right after)

pct will be the same substances that i used in my last cycle as follows:

week 1-12 (or 14 depending on which cycle i choose) 400iu of hcg every 5 days

week 1- End of cycle 0.25mg of arimidex ED
week 13 40mg nolva/100mg clomid
week 14 30mg nolva/50mg clomid
week 15 20mg nolva/50mg clomid

Do this:

Week 1 - 5 / Dbol 30mg ED
Week 1 - 12 / Test C 500mg EW
Week 1 - 10 / Deca 400mg EW
Week 10 - 14 / Tbol 40mg ED
Week 1 - 12 / HCG 400iu E5D
Week 1 - 14 / Arimidex .25mg ED


I made that cycle based on the amount of compounds I think you have from what you posted. I'm keeping the HCG at that dose because I figured you have used that dose before, and that is what works for you. You can end the HCG at week 12 and use the Tbol to bridge until you start your PCT. If you really want, you can extend the Dbol to week 6, but I don't really see a point in it. It's better to give your liver a rest for 5 weeks.

 

[twelvejewelz]

ok sounds like a plan thanks. you dont think i need the hcg for the last 2 weeks of the tbol? i have enough to last me a few cycles same goes with all the other stuff so its not a problem if i should use it. ive never used tbol before will i notice the difference after i use it? is it gona dry me up a little and harden my muscles with cleaner/less puffy gains? i mean ive read all about it just never used it before. and ill take the dbol 5 weeks like you said, better for my liver especially since im gona be using 2 orals in this cycle.i used 300iu last cycle E5D and it was fine just figured since im adding the tbol and its another cycle it would be better to up it what do you think? thanks again

 

[d_rson]

Do this:

Week 1 - 5 / Dbol 30mg ED
Week 1 - 12 / Test C 500mg EW
Week 1 - 10 / Deca 400mg EW
Week 10 - 14 / Tbol 40mg ED
Week 1 - 12 / HCG 400iu E5D
Week 1 - 14 / Arimidex .25mg ED

I'd definitely do tbol week 10 - 13 here. Don't run tbol into 5 weeks, it loses effectiveness big time and starts to suppress. Tbol is a 4 weeker. So run the last week of tbol in the first week you are off Test, then PCT starts week 14 (not 13).

Your PCT is old school. I'd run aromasin in PCT, 25mg ED for a week, and run sustain alpha and unleased, and perhaps nolva and/or clomid, not both (personally hate clomid), and go MIN 4 weeks in PCT.

 

[twelvejewelz]

i already have the clomid/nolva/adex/HCG on hand. it worked great last time so i figure if it aint broke dont fix it .i plan to do the tbol 4 weeks . in my cycle #2 i meant to write tbol weeks 12-16 then start pct. but the dbol ive run 7 weeks before and was ok with it taking milk thistle .

 

[LiftHeavy078]

I'd definitely do tbol week 10 - 13 here. Don't run tbol into 5 weeks, it loses effectiveness big time and starts to suppress. Tbol is a 4 weeker. So run the last week of tbol in the first week you are off Test, then PCT starts week 14 (not 13).

Your PCT is old school. I'd run aromasin in PCT, 25mg ED for a week, and run sustain alpha and unleased, and perhaps nolva and/or clomid, not both (personally hate clomid), and go MIN 4 weeks in PCT.

I strongly disagree that Tbol loses its effectiveness after 4 weeks. That is just parroted bullcrap that people seem to keep repeating over and over. It always strikes a nerve when I read that, because it is so far from the truth. Even if it were, it would be better to run the Tbol weeks 11 - 14 so he can bridge into PCT. There would be no point in stopping a week before when you can bridge into it.

To the OP: If that is the case with your HCG, run it 250iu E3D or E4D. That should keep your boys online. Also, yes, bridging the Tbol into PCT will help to solidify your gains by hardening/drying you up, adding some more lean mass, and stripping some bodyfat.

 

[d_rson]

I strongly disagree that Tbol loses its effectiveness after 4 weeks. That is just parroted bullcrap that people seem to keep repeating over and over. It always strikes a nerve when I read that, because it is so far from the truth. Even if it were, it would be better to run the Tbol weeks 11 - 14 so he can bridge into PCT. There would be no point in stopping a week before when you can bridge into it.

To the OP: If that is the case with your HCG, run it 250iu E3D or E4D. That should keep your boys online. Also, yes, bridging the Tbol into PCT will help to solidify your gains by hardening/drying you up, adding some more lean mass, and stripping some bodyfat.

No prob, but I disagree back as well. I'm not talking about unwarranted claims, I'm talking about actual friends and users who report the exact same thing I have experienced three times. In week 5 it's up the dosage (and continue upping the dosage) or stop because gains taper off in week 4 and come to a screetching halt at week 5. I have only read a few accounts where someone ran tbol more than 4 weeks and found it worth the extra run (without upping the dosage) - and some of them complained off puffy face and water retention, hmm...wonder what they actually had!

And again, you should start PCT in week 14. There's no reason to wait to start it - you'll be mostly done with the Test by the second week so start PCT in the second week. So there's no reason to run tbol into week 14.

Also, tbol doesn't dry you up. It itself is a rather dry AAS on it's own, but it certainly doesn't dry you up "anti-e"-wise like winny does. And while it works well in a cutting cycle, it certainly doesn't burn fat.

 

[LiftHeavy078]

And again, you should start PCT in week 14. There's no reason to wait to start it - you'll be mostly done with the Test by the second week so start PCT in the second week. So there's no reason to run tbol into week 14.

Also, tbol doesn't dry you up. It itself is a rather dry AAS on it's own, but it certainly doesn't dry you up "anti-e"-wise like winny does. And while it works well in a cutting cycle, it certainly doesn't burn fat.

I said to start PCT at week 14 multiple times. It was even in my recommended cycle I posted for him. Where did I say not to do this? Bridging Tbol until a day or two before you start PCT will allow you to stay on until you start taking your SERM. This is basic protocol when taking HCG during a cycle and ending it with an oral. I never said to run Tbol into week 14, I said run it up to week 14.

That was a misunderstanding when I said Tbol dry's you up. I meant it gives you the dry look because it hardens you up. This is certainly my experience with it. I also know Tbol does not burn fat directly, but it will certainly aid you on a calorie restricted diet. I have even burned fat on Tbol when eating way above maintenance, but that is another story.

Also, about the Tbol "not working as well" after week 4, that is just experience based I guess. It just doesn't make sense that a drug would somehow stop working after 28 days everytime, for everyone, unless it was designed to do so. Unless you have scientific data backing this claim up, there really is no reason to even state this. Maybe your friends grew fast in the four weeks they were on Tbol and needed to up their calories? You can't stay within the same calorie range after growing 15 lbs. There's just no concrete evidence of this "Tbol Theory".

 

[d_rson]

I said to start PCT at week 14 multiple times. It was even in my recommended cycle I posted for him. Where did I say not to do this? Bridging Tbol until a day or two before you start PCT will allow you to stay on until you start taking your SERM. This is basic protocol when taking HCG during a cycle and ending it with an oral. I never said to run Tbol into week 14, I said run it up to week 14.

Sup liftheavy!? It could be semantics then, because in your cycle plan you show he should run tbol from week 11-14 : that means week 11, week 12, week 13, and week 14. Butyou also state he should start PCT in week 14, that's what I was commenting on and said he should run the tbol week 10-13, and start in 14. I don't think you want to be running tbol the same week you start PCT. The weeks just didn't line up.

That was a misunderstanding when I said Tbol dry's you up. I meant it gives you the dry look because it hardens you up. This is certainly my experience with it. I also know Tbol does not burn fat directly, but it will certainly aid you on a calorie restricted diet. I have even burned fat on Tbol when eating way above maintenance, but that is another story.

This is true. At least when tbol is run alone. Or when in the front of an aromatizable-compound as a kick start. But tbol doesn't help dry you out in the presence of aromatizing test like something like winny will - it doesn't really have an anti-estrogen effect at all. I'm not sure the tbol would harden him up at the end of a test/deca cycle, that's all. Probably add more lbs, but I think the test and deca will overwhelm the typical tbol-only hardness.

Also, about the Tbol "not working as well" after week 4, that is just experience based I guess. It just doesn't make sense that a drug would somehow stop working after 28 days everytime, for everyone, unless it was designed to do so. Unless you have scientific data backing this claim up, there really is no reason to even state this. Maybe your friends grew fast in the four weeks they were on Tbol and needed to up their calories? You can't stay within the same calorie range after growing 15 lbs. There's just no concrete evidence of this "Tbol Theory".

After the second time running it, I was wondering what was going on because even my buds were experiencing the same thing. Until I did a myriad of searches and found SOOOOOO many people saying the exact same thing. And I mean a ton. Do I know why? Nope. But it's not a case of everyone not eating enough or something else. Just for most, it dies. There's probably plenty of reasons why a compound loses effectiveness, for the same reason test causes bloat in most people, and dbol causes a swollen face, ha ha. Na, I don't know, but honestly it's not just bogus. I mean you can tell. If you're going to be one where tbol is a 4 weeker for you, you'll tell in week 4. If not, keep going and your the better for it. But for me I'd just rather plan 4 week cycles with it and make it as profitable as possible with little shutdown.

 

[twelvejewelz]

i think were all just getting confused of the start and end of the weeks it seems lol. im not really looking to take the tbol to get "cut up" at the end of my cycle or i would take something like winny. i was just wondering the exact effects the tbol will have as ive never taken it before and have nothing to compare it to. im looking to use it to gain a few extra "good pounds" at the end of the cycle.

 

[hesnobradpitt]

I like 2 .

And tbol adds a little and makes you rock hard and gives some nice thickness to chest shoulders on me , love it just watch for heart burn its the only side i get .


Brad.

 

[d_rson]

love it just watch for heart burn its the only side i get .

OMG, yes. I don't know how many times I thought I was having a heart attack!

I used to do plain apple cider vinegar in the morning, but it got old. I then found some apple cider vinegar pills online, I take like 3grams with each tbol dose and that seems to keep it to a minimum. I also like prilosec OTC.

Tbol will give you good pumps and probably a good boost in strength. At the end of the cycle I don't know how many pounds it will put on you, probably not as much as if used in a kick start, but it will probably make you grow more. But it will probably also help solidify the gains into pct.

 

[twelvejewelz]

see a lot i read contradicts itself on the internet and i fckin hate that more than anything!!people always have different point of views and i can never get straight answers lmao. not even with just gear its with anything i want to look up .now i figured since it takes 2 weeks for the test to kick in then it will be in my system 2 weeks after my last shot so its safe to run the tbol those extra 2 weeks you know what i mean?anytime i do a cycle im not really prone to any sides besides alittle bacne which is more than manageable so im good in that arena. i also react very well to them, being a natural ectomorph ive always had trouble gaining past my potential. i was 6ft 133lbs at one point in my life ha i remember those days and they sucked! i got to my natural potential buy eating like a freakin horse then chose to go to gear a few years ago and its been wonderful! now im 29 and my natural test level is about 500 as i alwasys get tested before during and after..is this low at 29? ive read it should be around 600?? does this mean i can get gear from the doctor for a hrt??or its not that big of a deal??

 

[LiftHeavy078]

see a lot i read contradicts itself on the internet and i fckin hate that more than anything!!people always have different point of views and i can never get straight answers lmao. not even with just gear its with anything i want to look up .now i figured since it takes 2 weeks for the test to kick in then it will be in my system 2 weeks after my last shot so its safe to run the tbol those extra 2 weeks you know what i mean?anytime i do a cycle im not really prone to any sides besides alittle bacne which is more than manageable so im good in that arena. i also react very well to them, being a natural ectomorph ive always had trouble gaining past my potential. i was 6ft 133lbs at one point in my life ha i remember those days and they sucked! i got to my natural potential buy eating like a freakin horse then chose to go to gear a few years ago and its been wonderful! now im 29 and my natural test level is about 500 as i alwasys get tested before during and after..is this low at 29? ive read it should be around 600?? does this mean i can get gear from the doctor for a hrt??or its not that big of a deal??

You shouldn't take what people say as "set in stone". Everybody has a different body chemistry. Everyone has a certain way to run their gear for what works best for them. Researching and reading what other people say should give you a safer baseline for where to start and how to use what you have without hurting yourself. Trial and error. Experience. Those are what you need to find out what works best for you. For example, apparently Tbol effects me and d_rson differently. This is very common. We obviously have different body chemistry.

I never get heart burn from Tbol. You might, though. The only way to know is to try it yourself. What I do get, though, is very dry joints. Especially around the elbows and later my knees. It's horrible. You should have something on hand for your joints and for heartburn before you start. It's better to be safe than sorry.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Lots of conflicting/erroneous information in this thread.

 

[d_rson]

You shouldn't take what people say as "set in stone". Everybody has a different body chemistry. Everyone has a certain way to run their gear for what works best for them. Researching and reading what other people say should give you a safer baseline for where to start and how to use what you have without hurting yourself. Trial and error. Experience. Those are what you need to find out what works best for you. For example, apparently Tbol effects me and d_rson differently. This is very common. We obviously have different body chemistry.

I never get heart burn from Tbol. You might, though. The only way to know is to try it yourself. What I do get, though, is very dry joints. Especially around the elbows and later my knees. It's horrible. You should have something on hand for your joints and for heartburn before you start. It's better to be safe than sorry.

Exactomondo! Everyone is different, that's why you have to read, come up with a plan for yoruself, and then see how things work for you. You will get conflicting info from time to time because of differences in the way the compounds work with people, differences in how they take it, etc.

As for when to start PCT, here's the way I look at it and I have had success with this. Start PCT earlier rather than later. Why not start trying to bring yourself back when you are fading out rather than when you are gone with the test? See if you are on a two-pins-a-week with the test e, most likely you are doing a M/TH or Sun/Wed (like me) scheme. If you are, that means your last pin will be in week 12, but will be that wed or thurs, not the end of the week. So you hit 250mg for the last time almost the middle of week 12. You want to start PCT in general "1.5 to 2 weeks" after your last test e shot. So err on the side of caution and say 1.5 just to get a head start into PCT. So what is 1.5 weeks from Thursday of week 12? Mon of Week 14. So start PCT in Week 14.

 

[showcaseshowdown]

If you take your tbol on empty stomach and then workout you can get some heartburn from my personal experience. However, other pills not just tbol effect me the same way. I always take my pills after eating. As of recently, I am taking a tablespoon of apple cider vinager which I have read helps with heartburn.

 

[twelvejewelz]

ok i started . ill let you know how it turns out this time around with the tbol thanks

 

[HarryHarry]

Think your tbol should be used at the start of the cycle to kick start it. Cant go wrong with tbol at the start of a cycle. Take it with meal would be my advice. Pills and empty stomaches can be harsh at the best of times IMO

 

[twelvejewelz]

yea but this time around im using dbol to kick start it and take a couple weeks off of orals then use tbol to end it. i did the same cycle last time minus the tbol and want to see how this addition reacts to me