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I hope this isn't a repost but I found this video very informative.
http://thefitshow.com/week3/milos_chest_large.htm
http://thefitshow.com/week3/milos_chest_large.htm
How to properly train the chest.
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deltreefitness
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Thanks. That was informative. The only thing I'm skeptical about is on stimulating certain muscle fibers in a group. Like lower, upper, inner, outer chest. I'd like to see some proof that you can actually develop only one part of the pectoral muscle. Great tips on form and movement though.
Extra_Strong
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well that is neet the fit show..
blut wump
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Interesting but highlights the difference between lifting for strength and lifting for the mirror.
He also fails to inform why it should make any difference to isolate the chest rather then do the exercise in a fashion which utilizes not only the chest but lots of support muscles with double or triple the weight on the bar.
He also fails to inform why it should make any difference to isolate the chest rather then do the exercise in a fashion which utilizes not only the chest but lots of support muscles with double or triple the weight on the bar.
blut wump
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I remember one BB interview from wayback where she said that getting stronger is the bane of the bodybuilder. A BBer needs to get as much growth as possible from a given weight before finally giving in to the strength increase and having to move to a heavier weight to be able to continue to stress the muscles.
As such, maybe he doesn't want to add more plates for a very long time.
I have to admit, it didn't make a lot of sense to me back then either. I guess if you give consideration to joint and tendon stresses it might be a valid approach with suitable amounts of drugs. Whatever they are doing clearly works for them.
As such, maybe he doesn't want to add more plates for a very long time.
I have to admit, it didn't make a lot of sense to me back then either. I guess if you give consideration to joint and tendon stresses it might be a valid approach with suitable amounts of drugs. Whatever they are doing clearly works for them.
Lupercal CATS
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Well if we learned anything it's that really in body building, what we are doing, we are building the body.
wallcrawler
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CAN you isolate different parts of the chest muscle or is the verdict still out on this? I have heard that the prevailing wisdom is that you cannot. That the muscle is either activated or is not, not certain sections.
blut wump
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You can always answer these questions for yourself: go to the gym blast away at an exercise and then see what aches. Next time do the same with an exercise meant to hit a different part of the muscle and see whether a different part aches. Look into some anatomy to check that you aren't feeling the aches from different muscles within a the same group and you'll have your answer soon enough. Please report back with your findings.
Tweakle
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Trying to turn compound lifts into isolation exercises to 'focus' on parts of the chest is a great way to hurt your shoulders and prevent yourself ever benching more than 225
To properly train the chest how about spending years busting your ass in the gym until you're benching 365-405 for a few sets of 6-8 using biomechanically sound form... you think that would give you a big chest?
To properly train the chest how about spending years busting your ass in the gym until you're benching 365-405 for a few sets of 6-8 using biomechanically sound form... you think that would give you a big chest?
wtf!?
that just went against every single piece of information iv heard on these forums...
first
1) elbows out- wont that DESTROY his rotator cuffs?
2) focusing solely on the chest- i thought isolation didnt make much of a difference for size, so long as your putting stress on the whole system the body grows
3) upper/middle/lower/inner/outer chest stimulation based on grip positioning- i thought it was already established that was bullshit (except for major vs minor)
4) i pretty much blocked all that info out
can we get some opinions about this? cause im thoroughly confused now
that just went against every single piece of information iv heard on these forums...
first
1) elbows out- wont that DESTROY his rotator cuffs?
2) focusing solely on the chest- i thought isolation didnt make much of a difference for size, so long as your putting stress on the whole system the body grows
3) upper/middle/lower/inner/outer chest stimulation based on grip positioning- i thought it was already established that was bullshit (except for major vs minor)
4) i pretty much blocked all that info out
can we get some opinions about this? cause im thoroughly confused now
bignate73
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just because its in a flashy video form doesnt mean its not old dogma perpetuated. some things on there were good "tips", but the majority of it was old "gym science" repackaged.
let him and his trainees flare their elbows so they can rub the front of their ant. delts after each set wondering why it hurts. they'll just say..."youre using too much delts" instead of "damn, my rotator is hurting".
posing on your back with weight....nuff said.
walk up to the hammer strength machine...and look at it....and honestly convince yourself that you are taking your triceps and shoulders out of a compound pressing movement. that sealed it for me. there is no way you will EVER lock out a press by using your "chest". it has no bearing on your elbows straightening.
when given the choice of using the term "rest pause", would I choose Milos' way or DC's way? static contractions vs beyond fatigue training....
it was good in that it didn't stress overloading with bad form, it did stress form...OFF form but form nonetheless.
i don't doubt these guys train hard but overthinking it can be the bane of bb'ers, IMO. just get in there, lift hard, eat hearty and rest plenty. learn the basics, take a yoda approach to understanding the biomechanics of a lift so you don't get sucked into the "targeted" lifting approach. understand that a muscle works as a unit, planes of motion and different leverages can play some role in muscle activity but overall, you want to just train to be well rounded.
the greatest BB'ers most often unknowingly or knowingly employed the K.I.S.S. method and were phenomenal.
let him and his trainees flare their elbows so they can rub the front of their ant. delts after each set wondering why it hurts. they'll just say..."youre using too much delts" instead of "damn, my rotator is hurting".
posing on your back with weight....nuff said.
walk up to the hammer strength machine...and look at it....and honestly convince yourself that you are taking your triceps and shoulders out of a compound pressing movement. that sealed it for me. there is no way you will EVER lock out a press by using your "chest". it has no bearing on your elbows straightening.
when given the choice of using the term "rest pause", would I choose Milos' way or DC's way? static contractions vs beyond fatigue training....
it was good in that it didn't stress overloading with bad form, it did stress form...OFF form but form nonetheless.
i don't doubt these guys train hard but overthinking it can be the bane of bb'ers, IMO. just get in there, lift hard, eat hearty and rest plenty. learn the basics, take a yoda approach to understanding the biomechanics of a lift so you don't get sucked into the "targeted" lifting approach. understand that a muscle works as a unit, planes of motion and different leverages can play some role in muscle activity but overall, you want to just train to be well rounded.
the greatest BB'ers most often unknowingly or knowingly employed the K.I.S.S. method and were phenomenal.
DieselGunz
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Informative thread bors
NorgePrecision
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I don't understand how you guys can talk bad about these guys when he and his training partner are obviously at the pinnacle of body building. I'd like to see some of you that are talking shit to stand next to those guys and tell them what they are doing wrong. They MAY be hurting themselves in the long run, and I stress may because that guy looks to be about 45 or so, but they are building quality muscle mass, and that's what everyone is trying to achieve, correct?
Tom Treutlein
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I read the first couple of posts people made, and I'm not even going to bother watching the video. As far as I can tell, the video is full of garbage, and Tweakle summed up any confusion about training the chest and adding mass perfectly.
blut wump
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Are they building quality muscle mass primarily from their workout or from copious volumes of AAS? It's the same old BB story: look at the freaky monsters; buy the supps; stay the same size; buy more supps; take juice.NorgePrecision said:
Don't get me wrong, they look utterly awesome. I'm not going to believe for a moment, though, that their workout makes any sense for me to do.
Singleton
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I think this type of training is working well for them. Maybe just going for a good squeeze and pump helps to flood the muscle with blood and hormone and also provides a good stimulus for growth. I'm not saying it is the way to train; just that it works for them.
Good points to take from that video is that they emphasize proper form and getting a mind-muscle connection.
Good points to take from that video is that they emphasize proper form and getting a mind-muscle connection.
Tweakle
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form and feeling the muscle work is important.. but they look the way they do 90% because of genetics, specifically their response to gh, aas and 'slin.
the fine details of what they need to do to go from a 56" chest to a 56.25" chest or bring out some striations really don't mean shit to pretty much anyone reading this.
the fine details of what they need to do to go from a 56" chest to a 56.25" chest or bring out some striations really don't mean shit to pretty much anyone reading this.
mr.nitrofish
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I think the best tip I got from the video is to lift slow.
