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I just cleaned house. I am kinda expecting a controlled delivery. Whats the best way to handle this. Saying you see it coming, and you know the guys knocking on your door are cops.
How to handle a controlled delivery?
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KILLER2001
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Thanks gilly, I just hope they dont have a warrant.gilly6993 said:
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Frackal
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No matter what
NO MATTER WHAT
NO MATTER WHAT
SHUT THE FUCK UP - Don't say a WORD!!!! They will try all sorts of psychological tricks to get you to slip up. DONT TALK
NO MATTER WHAT
NO MATTER WHAT
SHUT THE FUCK UP - Don't say a WORD!!!! They will try all sorts of psychological tricks to get you to slip up. DONT TALK
I believe I read one excerpt from Rick Collins' book where federal agents actually tried to throw a package in through the crack in the door so that would give them cause to search the house (amongst MANY other troubles...). Like Frackal said go visit the legal board....and investing in Legal Muscle might not be a bad idea for you (and most others here)
SofaGeorge
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Frackal said:
You can take the package... open the package... stick the package up your nose... but if you don't follow Frackal's advice you are screwed.
The only case they can make against you is the one you give them. Don't say one word... not one word.
Ask for an attorney immediately.
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THE_BIG_FED
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i just never open the fucking door for anyone.
THE_BIG_FED said:
I always make sure to open the door with my Mossberg in hand...that sends them running for cover...
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THE_BIG_FED
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The Terminator said:
I always make sure to open the door with my Mossberg in hand...that sends them running for cover...
I do this
and avoid the confrontation. 
SofaGeorge
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Another sugestion... when they deliver the package... open the door wearing only a pink feathered boa, high heals, and your girlfriend's thong and bra. Then, as the Fed disguised as a Postman stands there a moment looking a bit shocked, give him a wicked grin, lick your lips and say, "Hi, handsome. Are you really here to deliver?" Emphasize the "deliver" with a little pelvic thrust.
Then, when he asks you to sign for the package, start to sign... but then stop. Study the package for a moment... looking ever increasingly concerned - then shout out, "That's not the Twin Torpedos!" Start walking around in circles, yank at your hair - throw his clip board. Keep repeating, "I've been waiting for weeks for the Twin Torpedos. Weeks" "What am I going to do? The Tower of Power is broken. Besides I can't find batteries for it anymore. They only make those kind in Japan."
Then...
Stop as the realization sets in. Look deep into the Fed/postman's eyes and say, "Do you want me to sign for your package?" with an ever growing lascivious grin spreading across your lips.
At this point he probably will just bob his head up and down. He jsut wants to cuff you and get-the-f-ck-out and take a shower.
Say to him (while rubbing your crotch):
"I'll sign for it if you come inside and show me how you DELIVER! I want you to make my Tower of Power quiver!"
With luck... the Feds will leave with the package and not bother you in the future.
Then, when he asks you to sign for the package, start to sign... but then stop. Study the package for a moment... looking ever increasingly concerned - then shout out, "That's not the Twin Torpedos!" Start walking around in circles, yank at your hair - throw his clip board. Keep repeating, "I've been waiting for weeks for the Twin Torpedos. Weeks" "What am I going to do? The Tower of Power is broken. Besides I can't find batteries for it anymore. They only make those kind in Japan."
Then...
Stop as the realization sets in. Look deep into the Fed/postman's eyes and say, "Do you want me to sign for your package?" with an ever growing lascivious grin spreading across your lips.
At this point he probably will just bob his head up and down. He jsut wants to cuff you and get-the-f-ck-out and take a shower.
Say to him (while rubbing your crotch):
"I'll sign for it if you come inside and show me how you DELIVER! I want you to make my Tower of Power quiver!"
With luck... the Feds will leave with the package and not bother you in the future.
KILLER2001 said:
This should be in the legal forum but the warrant will most likely be void if you refuse the package, or at the very least the evidence will be easily disputed and most likely removed from court should they continue with the search. Also expect the raid in the morning probably before the mailman usually comes, and expect it devlivered to your door instead of your mailbox, probably by someone other than your usual mailman if you have one.
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DaddyX
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tell them to fuck off and then keep your mouth shut
How seriously do we have to worry about getting busted, in general? I just assumed that the cops wouldn't really bother casual users. Am I being willfully naive about that? Does it happen more often than you would think? Does it happen to someone who does a cyce once or twice a year, or just to someone who buys in seriously bulk and then resells?
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DaddyX
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NashTnMan - really probably depends on what area u live in but i agree it doesnt really seem usual that would bother a casual user. never can be to careful tho
DaddyX said:
There are people on this board that are far from casual users...
drveejay11
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SofaGeorge said:
NashTnMan said:
I'd assume more than people think. Some people seem to want to think it is a low possibility because it makes them sleep better. But if you're an end user all that needs to happen is you getting your stuff seized and it being sent to your local police station with a phone call or your source getting busted and all your info or pending package there for the cops to see... I wrote the story of my bust on the legal forum so others could learn from it, maybe I'll end up posting it in the anabolic forum too later. Here it is:
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=235517
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wartime100
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The odds depend most on where you live and how busy the authorities are. Check out this post from Steroidology written by Biggieswolls:
Ok, heres the situation. I had a controlled delivery done on me in Ohio. Not only did they do surveillance on the house the night before the controlled delivery, but they even came back to delivery the package 3 times that day because I was sleeping. Roughly 20 agents from 5 different law enforcement agencies were present and guess what was in the package? 200 zambons. Wow, now thats some huge weight. hahahahaha. C'mon, gimme a break.
Now they had a search warrant for the property, but it was only valid once the package was accepted and clear possession of it was taken by me. I was told that if I did not accept the package, that the search warrant would not have been valid. So please explain to me how that is not a conditional search warrant.
I hate it when people post false info that could possibly mean jail time for whomever took it as gospel.
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Ok, heres the situation. I had a controlled delivery done on me in Ohio. Not only did they do surveillance on the house the night before the controlled delivery, but they even came back to delivery the package 3 times that day because I was sleeping. Roughly 20 agents from 5 different law enforcement agencies were present and guess what was in the package? 200 zambons. Wow, now thats some huge weight. hahahahaha. C'mon, gimme a break.
Now they had a search warrant for the property, but it was only valid once the package was accepted and clear possession of it was taken by me. I was told that if I did not accept the package, that the search warrant would not have been valid. So please explain to me how that is not a conditional search warrant.
I hate it when people post false info that could possibly mean jail time for whomever took it as gospel.
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growinpete
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don't let them in and return to sender...you don't say or know anythign
psychedout
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IronKop77 said:
Yup.
OK, I've had two controlled deliveries in my time. I was smart enough to avoid one, dumb enough to fall for the other.
Here's what you do.
When they try to deliver it, you tell them that you've been getting wierd mail and you do not want the package, tell them you're not expecting anything and to return it to sender. Enough said, that's it. Just act honest to the disguised cop and they won't be able to do shit about it.
They will not be able to search you legally. Warrants for most controlled deliveries are conditional and they have to have evidence to be able to bust in your house. A package in your name is not enough to justify a warrant, but a judge will sign it on the condition that you accept that package.
Do not let them trick you into handling the package or any of that. When he delivers it ask him who it is from and tell him NO.
Here's what you do.
When they try to deliver it, you tell them that you've been getting wierd mail and you do not want the package, tell them you're not expecting anything and to return it to sender. Enough said, that's it. Just act honest to the disguised cop and they won't be able to do shit about it.
They will not be able to search you legally. Warrants for most controlled deliveries are conditional and they have to have evidence to be able to bust in your house. A package in your name is not enough to justify a warrant, but a judge will sign it on the condition that you accept that package.
Do not let them trick you into handling the package or any of that. When he delivers it ask him who it is from and tell him NO.
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HULKSTER
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And if that doesn't work, break out your Macs....hahahaha J/K
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Frackal said:
What he said
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1 – Do not open door
2 – Never sign for anything (legit or other)
3 – Ask them to repeat themselves many times. They get angry and then sloppy
4 – Act very unpredictable if they have not identified themselves as police, a little nuts
(when I was a cop and something like this happened you were less likely to try something risky because you could get hurt.)
5 – keep house clean when expecting
6 – Be very aware of your surroundings
7 – But a damn scanner and keep all the detective/narcotics freqs in a separate bank
2 – Never sign for anything (legit or other)
3 – Ask them to repeat themselves many times. They get angry and then sloppy
4 – Act very unpredictable if they have not identified themselves as police, a little nuts
(when I was a cop and something like this happened you were less likely to try something risky because you could get hurt.)
5 – keep house clean when expecting
6 – Be very aware of your surroundings
7 – But a damn scanner and keep all the detective/narcotics freqs in a separate bank
Re: Re: How to handle a controlled delivery?
Some fucking steps to ensure....
boss said:bro if you are refering to the latest bust that happened, you will NOT be getting a controlled delivery. dont ask me just trust me. you will be ok and the rest of the people can relax, he has taken steps to ensure this. just keep cool and get some sleep
Some fucking steps to ensure....
SanFrancisconewb
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How is it that they can sell drugs next door (crack cocaine all day long) and theres another crack house around the corner from where i am and the cops are going after this?
It depends upon the agencies involved. The crack house around the corner is within the purview of local narcs and DEA. Apparently the local police in your area have not dedicated resources to the problem for any number of possible reasons.
AAS through the mail involves Customs (the newly created "BICE" under DHS, Bureau of Immigartion and Customs Enforcement), and USPIS (Postal Inspection Service). Apparently postal inspectors have been living up to their reputation and been very diligent. As an aside, USPIS is one of the nation's oldest law enforcement agencies, having been founded by Ben Franklin. I understand that their training is first rate and they have a crime lab that is second to none. In any event, in addition to child pornography and credit card fraud, they have enough resources to pursue simple personal use amount juice cases as well.
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AAS through the mail involves Customs (the newly created "BICE" under DHS, Bureau of Immigartion and Customs Enforcement), and USPIS (Postal Inspection Service). Apparently postal inspectors have been living up to their reputation and been very diligent. As an aside, USPIS is one of the nation's oldest law enforcement agencies, having been founded by Ben Franklin. I understand that their training is first rate and they have a crime lab that is second to none. In any event, in addition to child pornography and credit card fraud, they have enough resources to pursue simple personal use amount juice cases as well.
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SanFrancisconewb
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I was about to order my first cycle from overseas and now.. im really debating this.
In San Francisco our cops are busy with other stuff but the other agencies frighten me.
Anyone know what the charge is in the state of CA?
In San Francisco our cops are busy with other stuff but the other agencies frighten me.
Anyone know what the charge is in the state of CA?
SanFrancisconewb
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Don't you have to sign for it if it is FEd Express?
In California...
... simple possession of AAS or HCG without a valid script is a misdemeanor under Health & Safety Code Section 11377 (for first offenders) and generally eligible for Prop 36 (probation and treatment).
... simple possession of AAS or HCG without a valid script is a misdemeanor under Health & Safety Code Section 11377 (for first offenders) and generally eligible for Prop 36 (probation and treatment).
"When in Rome, do as the Romans do."
manchester
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Can you have your roommate accept the package and write return to sender on it and leave it sitting for a few days? I've heard this is effective.
Ah, grasshopper, if only it were so simple. Here's an abbreviated version of a small portion of Chapter 19 of LEGAL MUSCLE ...
Q: What if I write, “Return to Sender” and put it by the door?
A: Okay, we have to talk about this. I don’t know when this started, but it was recommended in a 1998 book on steroid import methods. Now it’s become pretty standard practice for a lot of guys. I’ve heard claims that this is the magic bullet that stops law enforcement in its tracks. Write “Return to Sender” on the package as soon as you accept it and then put it by the front door like you don’t want it. When the raid team comes crashing in, you’ll have a built-in defense: “Hey, I refused the package! Get out of my house!” Your brief possession can be claimed as a simple mistake. Sounds good, especially in this uncertain age of mail bombs and anthrax letters, doesn’t it? Sometimes it can be. Without question, I have seen some cases where this technique was successful in avoiding a bust.
But depending on the specific situation, it can actually be quite damaging to your defense, a complete backfire! It depends on all the circumstances, and not all the circumstances are within your knowledge or control. Let’s flesh out a scenario. Let’s say the doorbell rings. You answer it. It’s Mr. Courier Service with a package for you. What does he say? Hmmm? He asks if you’re the person whose name is on the package, right? Of course he does, otherwise he shouldn’t give it to you. Let’s say it’s your name on the package. You respond that you are, in fact, that person. He now says, here’s your package – sign here.
You have two choices at this point, and you can’t know which is right because you can’t be sure if the delivery is legit or not. You can say, “Hey, no, wait, I wasn’t expecting anything. I don’t want it.” In which case, you will have avoided taking possession of the package (but will probably be visited shortly thereafter by two agents for a “knock and talk,” as described in Chapter 7.
Or, you can accept the package. Accepting the package is like ringing a bell. Once it’s rung, you can’t un-ring it. You’re now in possession of the package. You accepted it knowingly and voluntarily. But now in the course of five minutes you make a mad dash for your felt marker and scribble your rejection of it just in time for the knock on the door. Does that really support the inference that your acceptance of the package was some sort of accident or mistake? Or does it imply that you’re a crafty devil who’s using a deceptive tactic to thwart the investigators? How, they will ask, did you know that you didn’t want it without opening it? What new information struck you, like a bolt of lightning, in the seconds between your very willing acceptance of it at the door and your mad scrabble to disconnect yourself from it moments later? Let me let you in on a little secret: law enforcement has been aware of the “Return to Sender” ploy for quite a while. The agents might even get away with testifying at trial that writing, “Return to Sender” on a package and putting it near the door is a hallmark of drug traffickers who use the mail. There’s an argument, isn’t there, that your curious conduct suggests a guilty knowledge of the contents, don’t you think? Might not a persuasive prosecutor get a jury to think so?
Q: What if I write, “Return to Sender” and put it by the door?
A: Okay, we have to talk about this. I don’t know when this started, but it was recommended in a 1998 book on steroid import methods. Now it’s become pretty standard practice for a lot of guys. I’ve heard claims that this is the magic bullet that stops law enforcement in its tracks. Write “Return to Sender” on the package as soon as you accept it and then put it by the front door like you don’t want it. When the raid team comes crashing in, you’ll have a built-in defense: “Hey, I refused the package! Get out of my house!” Your brief possession can be claimed as a simple mistake. Sounds good, especially in this uncertain age of mail bombs and anthrax letters, doesn’t it? Sometimes it can be. Without question, I have seen some cases where this technique was successful in avoiding a bust.
But depending on the specific situation, it can actually be quite damaging to your defense, a complete backfire! It depends on all the circumstances, and not all the circumstances are within your knowledge or control. Let’s flesh out a scenario. Let’s say the doorbell rings. You answer it. It’s Mr. Courier Service with a package for you. What does he say? Hmmm? He asks if you’re the person whose name is on the package, right? Of course he does, otherwise he shouldn’t give it to you. Let’s say it’s your name on the package. You respond that you are, in fact, that person. He now says, here’s your package – sign here.
You have two choices at this point, and you can’t know which is right because you can’t be sure if the delivery is legit or not. You can say, “Hey, no, wait, I wasn’t expecting anything. I don’t want it.” In which case, you will have avoided taking possession of the package (but will probably be visited shortly thereafter by two agents for a “knock and talk,” as described in Chapter 7.
Or, you can accept the package. Accepting the package is like ringing a bell. Once it’s rung, you can’t un-ring it. You’re now in possession of the package. You accepted it knowingly and voluntarily. But now in the course of five minutes you make a mad dash for your felt marker and scribble your rejection of it just in time for the knock on the door. Does that really support the inference that your acceptance of the package was some sort of accident or mistake? Or does it imply that you’re a crafty devil who’s using a deceptive tactic to thwart the investigators? How, they will ask, did you know that you didn’t want it without opening it? What new information struck you, like a bolt of lightning, in the seconds between your very willing acceptance of it at the door and your mad scrabble to disconnect yourself from it moments later? Let me let you in on a little secret: law enforcement has been aware of the “Return to Sender” ploy for quite a while. The agents might even get away with testifying at trial that writing, “Return to Sender” on a package and putting it near the door is a hallmark of drug traffickers who use the mail. There’s an argument, isn’t there, that your curious conduct suggests a guilty knowledge of the contents, don’t you think? Might not a persuasive prosecutor get a jury to think so?
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satchboogie
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good info everybody.
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