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k6jatu37

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advice? critique?

23yrs, 6'1", 170lbs 15%bf
this is my 3rd cycle after a lousy winstrol/primo and deca/dbol

test enth 500/wk 1-16
eq 600/wk 1-15 (frontload 1200/800 week 1 and 2)
var 50mg/day 10-16



.5mg a-dex/day (upto 1mg)

not sure on PCT and mid-cycle HCG use because this is a long cycle. Though a longer pCT would be good and i remember reading about tribulus and a 6 week pct somewhere, would that be best for this 16 weeker'?
 
Looks good bro. For PCT I would recommend using HCG, clomid, nolvadex, and staying on the arimidex. PCT will probably work out to being about 5-6 weeks with HCG, since you need to run the clomid at least 2 weeks past stopping HCG.
 
Thanks and I want to add some clen too but not sure when.
Also not too sure of the timing with HCG during this cycle either because it is a long one (8 week point or twice during the cycle)?

PCT at 6 weeks (never ran it that long but the thread i have says it good).
 
I'd have to suggest that you run the var from weeks 12-18 so after week 18 you can jump right into pct since the eq will have had 3 weeks and the test e will have had 2. As far as the hcg i'm not certain but i think once at week 8 or 9 and once at the end of the cycle should be sufficient.
 
[/QUOTE]I'd have to suggest that you run the var from weeks 12-18 so after week 18 you can jump right into pct since the eq will have had 3 weeks and the test e will have had 2. As far as the hcg i'm not certain but i think once at week 8 or 9 and once at the end of the cycle should be sufficient.
Not a bad idea, i dont know why no one else thought of this ???
cycle looks fine but you should leave out the var for later when you cut.
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Ok, but this is a cutting cycle! Considering Im only 170lbs but 15%bf everyone recommended a 'lean gainer' that is diet oriented towards clean food over protein shakes. Originally i wanted a cutter or a bulker. I plan to do couple lean gainers for every cutter (a 2:1 step thing). WHY SAVE THE VAR? I might add clen but not sure when (except for fat loss signs).

I run my PCT just as I posted. It's always worked. I have all my guys do the same. You can front load the test if you want.
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Ok but i thought i would be frontloading the EQ, your saying to load the test? Can you load both? Check the email!Everything looks OK except the fact you're only 23 and already have three cycles under your belt!
Thanks, thing is I was mislead as a youngster and did some bad cycles without ancilliairies, pct, or proper nutrition.
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--- Makiavelli you ever check that email I sent you last night?

Thanks everyone...
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I'd have to suggest that you run the var from weeks 12-18 so after week 18 you can jump right into pct since the eq will have had 3 weeks and the test e will have had 2. As far as the hcg i'm not certain but i think once at week 8 or 9 and once at the end of the cycle should be sufficient.
Not a bad idea, i dont know why no one else thought of this ???
Ok, but this is a cutting cycle! Considering Im only 170lbs but 15%bf everyone recommended a 'lean gainer' that is diet oriented towards clean food over protein shakes. Originally i wanted a cutter or a bulker. I plan to do couple lean gainers for every cutter (a 2:1 step thing). WHY SAVE THE VAR? I might add clen but not sure when (except for fat loss signs).

Ok but i thought i would be frontloading the EQ, your saying to load the test? Can you load both? Check the email!Everything looks OK except the fact you're only 23 and already have three cycles under your belt!

--- Makiavelli you ever check that email I sent you last night?

Thanks everyone...
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Where did you send it to? If you PM'd me I got back to you. If you didn't get it resend it. You can front load the test and EQ if you want. I only front load the EQ since it's half life is twice as long as test ent.
 
I'd have to suggest that you run the var from weeks 12-18 so after week 18 you can jump right into pct since the eq will have had 3 weeks and the test e will have had 2. As far as the hcg i'm not certain but i think once at week 8 or 9 and once at the end of the cycle should be sufficient.
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Yes but won't my natty test levels be too low at that time? How would you start the HCG during the week in the middle, with extra nolva and at 1000iu M/W/F?

Where did you send it to? If you PM'd me I got back to you. If you didn't get it resend it. You can front load the test and EQ if you want. I only front load the EQ since it's half life is twice as long as test ent.
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I emailed your cyber-rights account last night from my email
 
The mid/intermittent cycle protocol of 500-1,000 IUs HCG and 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for 7 days consecutively can and should be utilized when necessary during prolonged (12+/wks) or heavy dosage (1,000+mgs/wk) cycles. In addition, blood work should be performed before beginning a cycle and after completing a cycle in order to establish baseline values and evaluate recovery, respectively.

PCT should begin after the last injection and/or AAS intake. More specifically, a relative guideline to begin PCT is within 5-10 days when using long acting esters or 1-3 days when using short acting esters. This PCT protocol should consist of 1,000-1,500 IUs HCG 3x/wk (mod/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED and 50-100 mgs Clomid ED for 3wks. After, discontinue HCG and continue with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED and 50 mgs Clomid ED for an additional 3 weeks.

This is the midcycle protocol/pct that we discussed previously. I would do the mid cycle protocol at the point a few days before wk 9 starts. You could probably stay toward the lower dosages of hcg at both mid cycle and post cycle.

You can begin your pct 1-3 days after your last var dose if your going to run it to wk 18. The pct protocol is 6 wks long.

In summary you would be using hcg + nolva for 7 days mid cycle and hcg, nolva and clomid for 3 wks of your pct and continuing for 3 more wks with nolva and clomid.

When I originally posted this on another thread I made some typos as I was copying from my notes. This should be accurate.

This is not something I dreamed up. I researched it on this board, refined the dosages for myself and then used it right by the numbers and I had the most successful pct recovery ever. This comes right off the pct forum @ elite and it was posted by Jenetic about 1 year ago.

Even though some of my own training partners didn't like the hcg for 3 wks of pct I felt that getting the boys back to adult size before asking them to do their job was more important then worrying about any minor additional suppression. I researched it, compared it to other options, discussed it with knowledgeable guys, used it and it worked. Your cycle fits the 2 guidelines for using this pct, 1) length 12+ wks 2) dosage over 1000mg. there's the info do with it what you will. BTW, after being suppressed for 4+ months I'd assume you would be atrophied.
 
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Yes but won't my natty test levels be too low at that time? How would you start the HCG during the week in the middle, with extra nolva and at 1000iu M/W/F?
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Check out this link http://bulkmuscle.com/pct/ it shows the levels of what you're taking and suggests PCT right as week 19 is starting. You will be fine with your natty test levels. Read gmac's reply for your HCG questions.
 
Thanks for the help !

Would the PCT change if I did this cycle?
test ent 500/week 1-16
eq 600/week 1-15 (1200/800..)
tren ace 50-75mg/day 8-16
winstrol or anavar 8-16 50mg/day
 
k6jatu37 said:
Thanks for the help !

Would the PCT change if I did this cycle?
test ent 500/week 1-16
eq 600/week 1-15 (1200/800..)
tren ace 50-75mg/day 8-16
winstrol or anavar 8-16 50mg/day
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If this is a bulk cycle I'd drop the tren/var/winny all together and just run some something like dbol at the beginning.
 
k6jatu37 said:
also would hcg be done twice with the additon of tren in sddk 8?
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I know you're still trying to get your cycle down but, be careful of overusing hcg no matter what cycle you choose.
 
I also see you are looking at tren. Tren is a progestin and and will raise progesterone and if you are prone to sides related to that like bloat and GYNO you will need something for that (not nolva).

Also tren lowers thyroid function which increases prolactin which is not good. Some recommend t3 to take care of that and some have other ways they recommend to deal with that. You should read up on the use of t3 and its impact directly orindirectly on the thyroid.

As I've mentioned to you before the more compounds you add to a cycle the more side effects you have to consider leading you to add more things to overcome these side effects and the longer you make your cycle the more adjustments you have to make to your pct. Also when people see your stats and history they are going to question the route you're going as your putting together what is basically a cutting cycle when you should be going in a different direction. Just my .02.
 
Looks good man, not condoning anything here but im pretty sure at 6'1 you could probably get up to at least 190 without using gear. But hey wheres the fun in that, good luck dog
 
Roc86 said:
Looks good man, not condoning anything here but im pretty sure at 6'1 you could probably get up to at least 190 without using gear. But hey wheres the fun in that, good luck dog
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Can't argue with that.
 
There are bulker and cutters. Diet is key. Many people want to gian muscle and lose fat. That is what I want. I was going to say "lean bulker" but I thought that would be apparent. Whatever we call it, i want to gain 20lbs and drop at least 4% bf.

I will save the tren for later because it may interfere with cardio (supposedly).
Right now it looks like:

Test enth 500mg/week 1-16
EQ 600mg/week 1-16 (1200/1200/600..)
Anavar 50mg/day 8-16 (not sure if this is a necessity but it sound gound with a clean diet of 3500-4500 calories).

Right now I need some help with planning out a killer diet (ahem... MR. X)
whether or not to raise the test above the EQ
and whether or not to frontload the test, eq or BOTH?

thanks for advice you send my way!
 
k6jatu37 said:
There are bulker and cutters. Diet is key. Many people want to gian muscle and lose fat. That is what I want. I was going to say "lean bulker" but I thought that would be apparent. Whatever we call it, i want to gain 20lbs and drop at least 4% bf.

I will save the tren for later because it may interfere with cardio (supposedly).
Right now it looks like:

Test enth 500mg/week 1-16
EQ 600mg/week 1-16 (1200/1200/600..)
Anavar 50mg/day 8-16 (not sure if this is a necessity but it sound gound with a clean diet of 3500-4500 calories).

Right now I need some help with planning out a killer diet (ahem... MR. X)
whether or not to raise the test above the EQ
and whether or not to frontload the test, eq or BOTH?

thanks for advice you send my way!
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I dont really believe in frontloading, especially with test. As far as your eq question goes, it really depends on how you react to the compound. if you've never used it before then I would just keep everything as is. And if you ran your oral at the beginning of the cycle you wouldnt have to worry about frontloading things.
 
Anybody?

Anavar 50mg/day 8-16 (not sure if this is a necessity but it sound gound with a clean diet of 3500-4500 calories).

Right now I need some help with planning out a killer diet (ahem... MR. X)
whether or not to raise the test above the EQ
and whether or not to frontload the test, eq or BOTH?
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k6jatu37 said:
anyone?
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I mentioned before that I would not run the oral in your cycle like you have it set up. But its your cycle, do what you want.

I already answered your eq and frontloading questions. But Im not about to put together a whole diet for you from scratch, maybe somebody else has time to do that, but not me. You'd get more diet help if you actually put the time in to construct a diet of your own and then ask for criticism. Go to the diet board... read, research, and follow the advice there.
 
Cycle looks solid. I wouldn't front load if I were you though. HCG mid cycle or end. Clomid Nolvadex for PCT.
 
k6jatu37 said:
fivefold.. you know anything about diet, LOL?
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Go back to our old discussions. You know how it works, put your diet together through research then start your own thread and ask for input. Use what input makes sense, make your adjustments and stick with it. Check out the diet forum, I don't know if it's plat but if it is then you gotta pay or do a search and maybe you'll find something to read on diet. But don't expect another member to do the research that's your job. I think your over thinking everything and your on info overload. If you keep it simple it will be easier. You know I'm not flaming you I'm just offering some advice.

When you ask for advice and you get it either follow it or don't. But don't keep asking until you get the answer you want. If you really want to run something it's YOUR decision. Remember also, I mentioned to you that if you ask 1 question you could get 10 different answers and every one could be correct to some degree. Things work differently from one person to another.

Peace
 
Thanks guys (especiall G Mac).
I think I am going to stick with test 500mg and eq 600 for 16 weeks with .5-1mg adex/entire cycle.

g mac- how can i find more about tren and t3 ?
 
k6jatu37 said:
Thanks guys (especiall G Mac).
I think I am going to stick with test 500mg and eq 600 for 16 weeks with .5-1mg adex/entire cycle.

g mac- how can i find more about tren and t3 ?
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Other boards have compound profile references that you can use or better yet find a book like, Anabolic Steroids - Ultimate Research Guide by Anthony Roberts or Anabolics 2006 by William Llewellyn.
 
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