Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I am new to bodybuilding and want to start a cutting cycle and need some advice. I am scared of being ripped off and further more terrified of putting something in my body and it ends up being a fraud I have read some terror stories online. I am 35 years old 6'1 210 lbs and I workout about 4-5 times a week. I don't have money to waste so I don't want to get ripped off but no one does. How can I avoid this and stay safe
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SayMilesAway
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Try doing some research for a reputable source. Research the lab you will be using.
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ALIN
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I have to agree with you on this one. If your new in the sport you need to get some natural training and diet under your belt
before even considering a cycle of AAS.
Monday's Chest,back,Core-2 hours
1 hour of Cardio
Tuesday's Arms,Legs, 2 hours
1 hour Cardio
Weds 2 hours Cardio-basketball full court 1 hour light weight training full body usually no core
Thursday's 2 hours arms,Core, 30 minutes boxing pad work sparing
Friday's Chest,Back 2 hours 30 minutes Arms-
Saturday's- usually off but pending on how I feel or If I get up early enough I go to the gym for about an hour and do a light weight training session full body 1 set on everything except arms and chest
I do two super set sets on them
Sunday's- almost always off
1 hour of Cardio
Tuesday's Arms,Legs, 2 hours
1 hour Cardio
Weds 2 hours Cardio-basketball full court 1 hour light weight training full body usually no core
Thursday's 2 hours arms,Core, 30 minutes boxing pad work sparing
Friday's Chest,Back 2 hours 30 minutes Arms-
Saturday's- usually off but pending on how I feel or If I get up early enough I go to the gym for about an hour and do a light weight training session full body 1 set on everything except arms and chest
I do two super set sets on them
Sunday's- almost always off
3 hours is way to long in a gym per day.You are going to burn yourself out.
Besides that you need to find yourself a good source and stick with it.Dont use a no name lab, you a lab that is well known and got good reviews and it will cut your chances of getting scammed down drastically
My body is use to training like this from boxing, the gym is my natural environment I use to do more cardio at a younger age when I was competing with less weight training I can see how you could see it as overtraining but gym routine has been the same way since I was 12 years old I take L glutamine as a anti catabolic
RADAR
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As you grow older you have to tweak things to get the results you want and i bet my bottom dollar that will happen very soon if it hasn;t happened already. The longest i train is one hr an 30 min ,that is plenty of time to get the results you want.
steviebear12
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Pfft an hour and a half sessions only? What the fuck. Are you here to train or to do it half ass.
Boys there is no such thing as over training as long as your using propper form, correct weights that you can handle ect,
Monday - chest & tri
Tuesday - back & bi's
Wednesday - legs & core
Thursday - shoulders & chest
Friday - bi's, tri's & forearms
I spend 3-5 hours in the gym everyday. Eat 8-10 meals everyday
There's no point going in half ass. I've been doing this for 15 years.
ATM I'm running 24 week cycle. That's right. 24 weeks. Don't believe everything you read on the fucking Internet. Your body will react different to everyone else's and it's about what works for you.
My cycle is
Test E - 250mg a week
Tren E - 500mg a week
For 8 - 10 weeks
Then jump Test-500mg a week
Tren E - 500mg a week
Dbol 50mg a day
For 6 weeks
Then cut out the Dbol at week 6
Test E- 500mg a week
Tren E - 500mg a week
Winstrol - 50mg a day. For 6 weeks
I use Arimidex on cycle for gyno prevention even though I've never had sides. I don't have shrinkage or tren dick either so I don't run any caber or nolva on cycle. Tren and nolva aren't friends anyway. Then use clomid & nolva 10 days after last pin. I don't use hcg because I've never lost gains or had shit sides. Don't waste your money if you don't fucking need it. This is about how your body works. Experiment
Boys there is no such thing as over training as long as your using propper form, correct weights that you can handle ect,
Monday - chest & tri
Tuesday - back & bi's
Wednesday - legs & core
Thursday - shoulders & chest
Friday - bi's, tri's & forearms
I spend 3-5 hours in the gym everyday. Eat 8-10 meals everyday
There's no point going in half ass. I've been doing this for 15 years.
ATM I'm running 24 week cycle. That's right. 24 weeks. Don't believe everything you read on the fucking Internet. Your body will react different to everyone else's and it's about what works for you.
My cycle is
Test E - 250mg a week
Tren E - 500mg a week
For 8 - 10 weeks
Then jump Test-500mg a week
Tren E - 500mg a week
Dbol 50mg a day
For 6 weeks
Then cut out the Dbol at week 6
Test E- 500mg a week
Tren E - 500mg a week
Winstrol - 50mg a day. For 6 weeks
I use Arimidex on cycle for gyno prevention even though I've never had sides. I don't have shrinkage or tren dick either so I don't run any caber or nolva on cycle. Tren and nolva aren't friends anyway. Then use clomid & nolva 10 days after last pin. I don't use hcg because I've never lost gains or had shit sides. Don't waste your money if you don't fucking need it. This is about how your body works. Experiment
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bigorse
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you can train hard or long not both. find out what works best and go with it.
Steviebear12 thanks for info a lot of great stuff and that's my kind of work ethic in the gym, I don't only workout for gains, I workout because it's fun for me. But anyway I am at a nice size right now a lot of people already think that I juice but I only use pre workouts I used C4 in the past but lately I have been using Beta Gem. I am satisfied with my size now I just want to rip up not really bulk to much. Does anybody have any suggestions on a simple cutting cycle for a novice along with PCT? And how much a cycle like that would typically cost to run?
When you're standing next to me on stage and you SMOKE guys half you age like I do then you can tell me I do it "half ass"
steviebear12
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Look mate you can basically "cut"/harden on most stuff, obviously there are some things that will make you hold abit more water then others but "cutting" / "hardening" really comes down to diet and changing up your training, are you looking at running oral only or are you interested in injecting as well.
steviebear12
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And EZ_E I highly doubt you've ever seen a stage let alone competed at all. Especially with hour and a half sessions 
you have to love what you do to be any good at it and I've been in the game a while and never ever heard of someone competing just by training an hour and a half. And I have mates who came in the top 5 in the Arnold's. They would laugh if they heard that man. Chin up
you have to love what you do to be any good at it and I've been in the game a while and never ever heard of someone competing just by training an hour and a half. And I have mates who came in the top 5 in the Arnold's. They would laugh if they heard that man. Chin up
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bigorse
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And EZ_E I highly doubt you've ever seen a stage let alone competed at all. Especially with hour and a half sessions
wrong, short high intesnity training is one of the many training methods used by top bodybuilder...
zmyj88
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This. Only way I could stay in the gym for hours is if I'm chasing tail or sitting at the counter drinking my uber fancy protein crap for $18. My rest periods are a minute, MAX, if that. At that point I'd be doing 150 something sets?! For what? If I have 150 sets in me, I'm doin something wrong. Contrary to popular belief, you grow OUTSIDE of the gym
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bigorse
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i train for 2hrs somedays when i train heavier on leg days but ussually around 90mins. i like mainly high intensity training with a little volume mixed in. also love me a good drop set, rest pause etc. i love the pump
Drop sets and super sets definitely part of my daily routine on just about everything and to answer your question Stevie12 I was thinking of doing a combo of both. I read a lot of bad stuff about orals besides something like Anavar so I wanted to include that with something else and I want to make it as simple as possible
steviebear12
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Anavar isn't a bad choice at all mate! Look seeing as you want to keep it simple I'd just run Test & anavar, what test you run is completely up to you. Keep it short and simple!
I'd go for a 12 week cycle
Test E - 500mg per week split into 2 injections of 250mg per injection Monday & Thursday
Anavar - 80 - 100mg E.D
Your best gains will come about week 8-10
For on cycle therapy I'd use some Arimidex, at 0.25mg ED as soon as your nipples feel itchy or puffy, some people run it from first injection and is best used at night because estrogen is most active of a night.
The hardest thing is keeping gains, HCG will work best for this. I don't use it because my sides are basically no sides so I don't waste the $$ and I've never really lost more then 8 pounds of size.
For pct I'd run clomid/nolva.
I'm not telling you what to run as I'm no expert. No one is on here. I'm just telling you what works great for me. But really it comes down to your diet, I can use test & deca and still look cut as fuck. training and sleep! Have a look at some other people's diets for ideas! Good luck
I'd go for a 12 week cycle
Test E - 500mg per week split into 2 injections of 250mg per injection Monday & Thursday
Anavar - 80 - 100mg E.D
Your best gains will come about week 8-10
For on cycle therapy I'd use some Arimidex, at 0.25mg ED as soon as your nipples feel itchy or puffy, some people run it from first injection and is best used at night because estrogen is most active of a night.
The hardest thing is keeping gains, HCG will work best for this. I don't use it because my sides are basically no sides so I don't waste the $$ and I've never really lost more then 8 pounds of size.
For pct I'd run clomid/nolva.
I'm not telling you what to run as I'm no expert. No one is on here. I'm just telling you what works great for me. But really it comes down to your diet, I can use test & deca and still look cut as fuck. training and sleep! Have a look at some other people's diets for ideas! Good luck
Cost all depends on where you get them. Really hard for anyone to give you a price without knowing where it's coming from.
steviebear12
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Depends what country you live in, I can get bottles of test for $80-$130 depending on where I get them I use liquid Arimidex cost me about $60-$70 I run liquid clomid and nolva cost about $60 each, HCG prices range all the time so can't put a pin on that one, but I'd also run soma kidney and liver protection tabs! Get them from your health shop
RADAR
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Do as you wish i don't care, most of my training is done in one hr every day as i said the longest i ever train is an hr and a half, Arnold once said "you can train long or you can train hard buy you can't do both.
steviebear12
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Arnold's nothing but piss in the wind these days pal. Their gear range wasn't as large as it is now. Personally If your on cycle you can't overtrain. The recovery time is a thousand times better then it was then. Either put in the work and look great or do it half ass and look half ass which I'm sure you do. I'm not having a pissy little argument with you over it, I'm in off season ATM and I guarantee if you saw my body you'd look at yours and be depressed as fuck don't make me post a selfie
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bigorse
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post a selfie im curious now... there is no 1 way to train for best results.
You're welcome to believe whatever you want.
And my training sessions go 45 minutes max.
steviebear12
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Coulda. Don't have the time. Plus people don't listen to what I tell them.
RADAR
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The reason people don't listen is because your ego is bigger than your body, BTW i've seen better.
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