How much VITEX to lower prolactin levels?

[panerai]

You want me to scan it? Mine is def. high.

Well, scanning would bring more credibility to your post. But, it's not the point.
The point is, that Trenbolone has such a short half life, that in 3 months after a 8 week cycle of Trenbolone, there's no way, it would be a cause of high prolactin level, unless, your Doctor desagree.
And, that's my point. "Trend", that's all it is.

 

[Golfer18--old]

Get off your pedistol. Take a step down and think. When scientists try to prove something they use the scientific method. Although its not always exactly accurate, it works. In this case everything can be eliminated but fina. Dont worry about my Credibility, i will post the blood work Tommorow. The half life has nothing to do with it if it was a rebound.

 

[panerai]

Get off your pedistol. Take a step down and think. When scientists try to prove something they use the scientific method. Although its not always exactly accurate, it works. In this case everything can be eliminated but fina. Dont worry about my Credibility, i will post the blood work Tommorow. The half life has nothing to do with it if it was a rebound.

Whatever...

 

[TxLonghorn]

I don't want to argue, but discuss. When you have facts, come back.

I call bullshit. You don't want to discuss, you want to be right. Period.

And it kills you that you aren't.

 

[TxLonghorn]

Present blood work that shows high prolactin level.

Present blood work from everybody who has ever taken trenbolone that shows that trenbolone does not increase prolactin. You can't, because you can't prove a negative.

My god, the fact that I don't personally have evidence that the world is round and the fact that you are starting to sound like a pissheaded schoolgirl does not make the world flat.

I think what you are doing is VERY IRRESPONSIBLE. Goddammit we are talking about trying to help people with gyno and you are arguing semantics. Fuck you that you don't get gyno and obviously don't care. It happens, either deal with it or not but reality says it does and you say it doesn't.

I know I have personally helped a ton of people who would today would be very embarrassed to walk around without a shirt on or be contemplating a $3000 surgery that might possibly leave them scarred. And it didn't cost them more than a few bucks.

What the fuck have you done to help? Not a Goddamned thing.

 

[panerai]

TxL, what's up with you? Why are you getting that personal? I remember you being more mature.
All right. If I appear to you guys, as enemy, fine.
From my perspective, we were just talking. But, I might be wrong, so I won't continue in this thread.

 

[Golfer18--old]

I think your wrong Paneria. You are helping make everyone else believe the wrong things that why TxLonghorn is mad.

 

[bigwillystyle]

I have to agree

I think that when you come to a debate that can have 'real' world consequences, such as gyno. We should have a more open mind. It is OK, if it causes prolactin levels or progesterone or even my freaking foot to hurt if I inject. I think people just want to know the truth. Also some peoples receptors are not as 'active' (if I may use that term) thereby being 'immune'. But if some of your advice has helped others, awesome. We are here to help everyone to achieve the best body he has, and tits wont do it. sorry. To me, it is better to be safe than sorry.

Consider this. Ok, so tren has no effect on prolactin and other hormone levels. But what if it is another pathway. One we dont know about. Scientist discover new things everyday. We dont really even know why steroids work, they just do. We dont even know why muscle grows, we just do. Sure we speculate. But when it comes down to it, having an MD sometimes can make one just have more questions. Bottom line. IF the Vitex works, who cares what pathway it uses and even if it is prolactin. It has helped people and that is all we should be concerned about.

 

[TxLonghorn]

I think your wrong Paneria. You are helping make everyone else believe the wrong things that why TxLonghorn is mad.

Exactly. I have no beef with you and maybe I said more than I intended to, but the main idea is what golfer just stated. You were beating people over the head and saying they were having no problems because you have yet to see a study saying so. Studies don't always tell you the full story. And that's why I think it's irresponsible for you to see the gyno situation and for all intents and purposes say that it isn't happening.

No, the vets of the board can make up their own mind, but what about the guys who aren't that sure about what is going on? What about 'Billy Juicer' who has heard all of the hype about fina, is trying it right now and starting to get lumps? Do you think he really cares if he knows precisely what is causing this, or do you think he would rather have somebody help him?

So yes, I think you weren't interested in a discussion, you were interested in being right. And I think it was irresponsible to say that vitex wouldn't help. It does.

 

[Golfer18--old]

Exactly. I have no beef with you and maybe I said more than I intended to, but the main idea is what golfer just stated. You were beating people over the head and saying they were having no problems because you have yet to see a study saying so. Studies don't always tell you the full story. And that's why I think it's irresponsible for you to see the gyno situation and for all intents and purposes say that it isn't happening.

No, the vets of the board can make up their own mind, but what about the guys who aren't that sure about what is going on? What about 'Billy Juicer' who has heard all of the hype about fina, is trying it right now and starting to get lumps? Do you think he really cares if he knows precisely what is causing this, or do you think he would rather have somebody help him?

So yes, I think you weren't interested in a discussion, you were interested in being right. And I think it was irresponsible to say that vitex wouldn't help. It does.

and if Bill Juicer were getting gyno I would hope he still thinks Vitex helps.