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if all the gear and hgh was available.
how much muscle do you think i can gain in 14 months?

currently:

215 pounds
approx 10% bf
5'11
29 years old
 
i plan on dedicatin these 14 months to training ONLY!

that means sleeping 10 hours a night..
anotehr 2 hour afternoon nap.
diet in check (from bulkin to cuttin of course)
and i have ALL the gear i could ask for including hgh ready for action.

you think 15 pounds of pure muscle is pushing it??
 
Well, ronnie came into the 2004 Olympia a massive 30 pounds heavier and he was jacked more than he ever was in his life. Now, we all know Ronnie is a freak, but just an example of what the maximum anyone could do in a year in between.

Your stats are very good and you are looking good in the photos posted. I will put my mortgage on you gaining at least 15 pounds in that period,but looking at gains made in different competitions by different competitors over the past couple of years, I think that would be amazing in itself. 15 pounds even it is
 
I got and keep 10 pounds from 12 months. Clean diet,Clean gear,
10 months test enth. 600mg, 1 month winny on,3 months off, so on.
last two months just prop.
10mg nov. a day.
hcg
pct then blood work
 
satchboogie said:
i plan on dedicatin these 14 months to training ONLY!

that means sleeping 10 hours a night..
anotehr 2 hour afternoon nap.
diet in check (from bulkin to cuttin of course)
and i have ALL the gear i could ask for including hgh ready for action.

you think 15 pounds of pure muscle is pushing it??
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I'd say that if you were 22 then maybe you could put on 15lb in a short time,. We're both getting to a point where that stuff is gonna stop
 
I believe 15 lbs is do-able.
 
how old are you satch
 
Are you absolutely sure you are ready for this commitment Satch? If you are serious, then I believe that 15lbs is definately do-able.
 
Satch,


If you got the time and dedication, then hell yeah, I think you can manage 15 lb muscle in 14 months. How serious are you about trying this out?
 
oh im LOCKED IN!

you have no idea..
i spend my waking hours thinkin bout this and this only.
 
if you can live the dedicated life for 14 months with what you have available, you could probably reach 20lb +/-. Are you planning to run continuos with blood work etc., or time on = time off?
 
satchboogie said:
i plan on dedicatin these 14 months to training ONLY!

that means sleeping 10 hours a night..
anotehr 2 hour afternoon nap.
diet in check (from bulkin to cuttin of course)
and i have ALL the gear i could ask for including hgh ready for action.

you think 15 pounds of pure muscle is pushing it??
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Seriously bro, you think us "normal" pe-ons want to hear you brag?

ROTflmao :supercool
 
15lbs is more than doable bro... if you hit it for a year, GH/slin/gear i dont see any reason you cant put on 20lbs of solid muscle. i plan on putting on 15lbs by the end of august.
 
satchboogie said:
i plan on dedicatin these 14 months to training ONLY!

that means sleeping 10 hours a night..
anotehr 2 hour afternoon nap.
diet in check (from bulkin to cuttin of course)
and i have ALL the gear i could ask for including hgh ready for action.

you think 15 pounds of pure muscle is pushing it??
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That sounds like you are getting ready for a REALLY BORING social life in the next 14 months though :(

I think setting a low goal like 15 LEAN lbs. will make you UNDERACHIEVE what you can do though...(if you REALLY want it ;))
I would gun for more like 25-30 lbs...:) (its 14 MONTHS afterall, not 14 weeks :))
 
I agree with Terminator. I bet if you are 100% dedicated for 14 months, 15lbs will be easy, you could get 25-30 like Term said.
 
The Terminator said:
That sounds like you are getting ready for a REALLY BORING social life in the next 14 months though :(

I think setting a low goal like 15 LEAN lbs. will make you UNDERACHIEVE what you can do though...(if you REALLY want it ;))
I would gun for more like 25-30 lbs...:) (its 14 MONTHS afterall, not 14 weeks :))
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FUCKIN AYE!
IM AIMING FOR 20.
BUT 15 WILL SUFFICE.
 
All you guys seem to be vastly understating the amount of weight gain possible. At least IMO. If ALL the gear you could want and all the GH is available.... hell you could put on 50lbs of muscle. 14 months, not 14 weeks. That would require pro-level doses but I think it's possible. Satch is doing things like 1g of primo as a cycle. If he hit 3g's of test, 8-10iu's of growth, and some slin... that would put 30lbs on him in 6 months. Ronnie put 30lbs on his physique in under a year, and he's far far more developed than satch, or anyone on this board. I think a reasonable goal to shoot for is more like 25lbs or so like Term suggested though, mainly b/c I don't think Satch is willing to risk the side effects of the doses necessary to gain 50lbs. But I do think it's possible. Go from 215 to 265... in 14 months... if you're willing to risk it, it could be done.
 
As i stated last night with you there is no doubt in my mind that you could put on 20lbs. Push your protein hard sleep hard and train hard and your in.
 
If you cycle it right and use the slin/gh combo you could on at least 25 in 14 months imo.Definetly use slin/gh in there if you want big gains though.
 
slin scares me a bit.. so i doubt ill explore that avenue.
but hgh at 8i.u a day is certainly within reach.
so is 2g per week.
 
Hell yeah, 15 lbs is do-able and then some, especially if you've got a arsenal of gear to work with. Are you talking about going on for a year straight?
 
ryan04 said:
Hell yeah, 15 lbs is do-able and then some, especially if you've got a arsenal of gear to work with. Are you talking about going on for a year straight?
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nay bro.
not gonna go a year straight thats for sure.
but after this primo cycle is over, gonna take a few months off and then come back with a very intense 12 week bulker.. anotehr 3 months off and then another massive bulker..

then cut down.

at least thats the plan now.
 
satchboogie said:
slin scares me a bit.. so i doubt ill explore that avenue.
but hgh at 8i.u a day is certainly within reach.
so is 2g per week.
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I remember saying the same thing about a year ago bro and after I started using it on this bulking cycle a few weeks ago.I have decided I will always keep it in my arsenal as one of the best tools.It is not bad at all bro try humalog it only stays in your system for 2 hours then your free from worries.I have not gone hypo once and I have gone as low as using 7g carbs per iu of slin with no problems.It will pack the weight on like nothing I have seen and I am staying fairly lean with great gains.Only using it at 12ius pwo and thats it.The longer acting slin that last 4 hours just seems like too much of a pain in the ass to keep up with for that long but Id sugest you do some good research on Humalog bro and you might decide to give it a go.its definetly worth it and not bad at all. :coffee:
 
can you please link me to more info how proper use of humalog?
thanks bro.
 
satchboogie said:
if all the gear and hgh was available.
how much muscle do you think i can gain in 14 months?

currently:

215 pounds
approx 10% bf
5'11
29 years old
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if you never used HGH before you can gain more then 15 pounds
 
Its simple shit bro...do a sub Q injection in Stomach or quads...wherere you have some fat......Drink 6-12 G of glocose containing product ( IE sugar , Dextrose is best)....take your protein drink and your done.. 1.2.3.

Im not using slin again though....i think in may have caused some sides for me although i can not pinpoint that it was the culprit.
 
PolfaJelfa said:
Its simple shit bro...do a sub Q injection in Stomach or quads...wherere you have some fat......Drink 6-12 G of glocose containing product ( IE sugar , Dextrose is best)....take your protein drink and your done.. 1.2.3.

Im not using slin again though....i think in may have caused some sides for me although i can not pinpoint that it was the culprit.
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you mean take this insulin immediately post workout?
sorry i'm clueless on insulin..
 
satchboogie said:
nay bro.
not gonna go a year straight thats for sure.
but after this primo cycle is over, gonna take a few months off and then come back with a very intense 12 week bulker.. anotehr 3 months off and then another massive bulker..

then cut down.

at least thats the plan now.
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Why not just combine bulkers and cutters together? Like:

week 1-4 bulk
week 5 cut
week 6-8 bulk
week 9-10 cut
week 11-12 bulk
week 13-14 cut

so 4/1, 3/2 then 2/2 bulk/cut ratio
 
satchboogie said:
you mean take this insulin immediately post workout?
sorry i'm clueless on insulin..
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Its simple as shit bro the basics of it is that it will drive all the carbs you take in into your muscles and fill up your glucose storages so you grow like never before.Humalog is easy what I do is I take my slin pin to the gym in my belt pouch were I have my ipod and wallet then after I am done working out I go in the stall and shoot 12ius of slin into my belly just like you do the gh.Imediately I go out to the car were I have a premixed sports bottle with the PWO mix cntaining 71g carbs and 51g prot.,to this I add 30g of citrus flavored gatorade powder for a total of 100g carbs and 51 prot,I down this imediately after the shot pwo then one hour later I down another gatorade and water mix this one containing 100g of carbs only then your done with the slin keep a can of soda with you if you start feeling lightheaded or weird just drink some and you will feel better right away going hypo is not something that hits with out warning you will have many alarms going off before u ever have to worry.
 
and for a beginner, would you recommend 12iu off the bat??
i hear 4iu is the way to go for starters.

also, is it best to bridge with high cals, hgh, and creatine or best to use with gear??
 
Do a search on here on Humalog bro you should get a lot of good info and if you need answers from some one with hands on experience ask me any questions and I will help you with what I can answer.
 
satchboogie said:
and for a beginner, would you recommend 12iu off the bat??
i hear 4iu is the way to go for starters.

also, is it best to bridge with high cals, hgh, and creatine or best to use with gear??
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4-6iu at most for a beginner....AND you have to consume alot of sugar in the next couple hours after w/o for the shit to not go bad on you. Yea many say slin is easy to use etc. Well yea, injecting is easy...but adding fat is also a possibility when using it and having to eat all those sugars bro...
 
Its best to use with all of the above.....and i started at 4or 5 iu too....worked up to 14 total....

Start of with 4.
 
Hey Satch,

With a 14 month timetable and your obvious commitment to training you should be golden. I once gained 15 lbs net on a 8 week var only cycle. Mind you I did 180 mg ed and I ate and trained like a fiend, but it is possible!
 
If you have everything dialed in training diet and gear wise you could blow right past the 15lb mark I wouldn't be suprised to see you more around 25lbs the synergistic effects of gh and gear with the anabolic diet are pretty amazing. I went from 182-226 in 9 months in three cycles and eating everthing in site. my bf% was 16% when I started and 12% when I came off the last cycle.and i wasn't using GH and slin either... you've got an excellent base going so go balls out bro and your going to see some real positive things over the next 14 months. If you've got a good mesomorph body type you can do some pretty amazing things in a short period of time when you've got it all tied together.
 
OK 14 MONTHS.. AND ENDLESS SUPLY GIVE US THE LOW DOWN
what will you be takeing.. and you said you will not be running a full year..
so how long will the break be? 5 1/2 months on 3 off 5 1/2 on?
how ya going to do it boogie man?
 
I would say 20 sounds likely. Alot of it may depend on how long you have been training now and how close you are to your natural limit.
 
maldorf said:
I would say 20 sounds likely. Alot of it may depend on how long you have been training now and how close you are to your natural limit.
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hey bro, maybe you haven't met the boogie man. here, i'll introduce you.
maldorf, meet satch, he's one ripped mother fucker who has been training a long time, knows what the fuck he's doing and is obviously already past his genetic limit, like whoa,
satchel my nizzle, this is maldorf, go easy on the kid he means well, and please dont eat him
oh and for the record, if i had the time and the resources at my disposal, i would definitely do a 14month contest with you bro !!
 
LVTitan said:
hey bro, maybe you haven't met the boogie man. here, i'll introduce you.
maldorf, meet satch, he's one ripped mother fucker who has been training a long time, knows what the fuck he's doing and is obviously already past his genetic limit, like whoa,
satchel my nizzle, this is maldorf, go easy on the kid he means well, and please dont eat him
oh and for the record, if i had the time and the resources at my disposal, i would definitely do a 14month contest with you bro !!
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Well, Im not sure what you consider a long time. I have been lifting for over 20 years myself, and I am still not sure if I have reached my limit.
 
lol..

well..
not sure i reached my genetic limit..
although i cant be too far from it i suppose.

its unfortunate we cant determine our genetic max.
 
satchboogie said:
lol..

well..
not sure i reached my genetic limit..
although i cant be too far from it i suppose.

its unfortunate we cant determine our genetic max.
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Bro sorry I dint reply earlier to the post.Take the slin at 4ius to start out and go up one iu per day you can go as high as 15ius and stay safe pwo only though if you dont mind putting on a bit of fat you can do it 3 times per day but I dont like the added BF when I bulk so I only do it pwo Ill post some pics in 2-3 weeks so you guys can see you can put on nice weight with slin with almost no bf increase.I am about 10lbs up on the scale and leaner than when I started the cycle.
 
I think 20lbs is certainly within reach bro, it depends on if you are going to bulk for the whole time or bulk and cut, you will obviously hinder gains by cutting up along the way.

The use of HGH and Slin should allow you to bulk the whole time without putting on too much bodyfat.

Either way it's gonna be hard going but I wish you the best of luck!

UglyASS :p
 
satchboogie said:
lol..

well..
not sure i reached my genetic limit..
although i cant be too far from it i suppose.

its unfortunate we cant determine our genetic max.
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LoL you get up this early to eat on a sunday too?hehe Already had 80g Carbs and 50g protein for breakfast getting ready to hit the gym. :evil:
 
i think you're in a great situation satch.

use the GH for the entire 14months and i would invest in IGF1 too and slin as eveyone said....and stick with your primo cycles and add test....you'll gain 30 lbs no doubt
 
gymratforlife said:
LoL you get up this early to eat on a sunday too?hehe Already had 80g Carbs and 50g protein for breakfast getting ready to hit the gym. :evil:
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you wont find me up before noon bro..
in fact, i always claimed theres no such thins as a beautiful morning at 8a.m..
 
Boy I can see the headlines now. Primo's out now is on to pushing gh. Hell why not is much more expensive right. I can feel the bombs comming boy. I dont care I am still sore from the last 2 you bombed me with Satch. Why dont we handle this like men. I'll gain or loose just as much mass or bf% in half the time it takes you with half the amount of drugs. You know why because I live this shit 24/7. Any time any place. Youve been training longer than me by the way. Lets post up pics side to side. I was 280lbs of fat 3 years ago by the way never lifted a weight in my entire life! I sick of getting bombed and now im pissed off. I have been a member hear for a long time now and am not much of a bragger, but im sick of this! Im only 23 and put more heart into my diet and workouts than you ever will. Why dont you stop bullyin people, shut up, diet, lift, and listen to what the mods and vetrens have to say. Ive never had a problem with anyone hear until you. Who do you think you are. Your knowone, compared to some members here who have been working out for decades with degree's and certifications. Get a clue. Im done. Said my peace, and will continue to try and learn and help others without hurting people in the process. This board has brought a lot of joy to my life but lately its been making me sick!
 
Let's close the hostilities. This book should be shut. Anyway as far as how much muscle in 14 months. I think, as khemix and others were saying , you should focus on diet , recovery and weight training (hypertrophy)
http://www.hypertrophy-specific.com/hst_index.html
i also like burnouts , but that's me.

As I was telling another person , look at your protein intake (not shakes) but steak , chicken , turkey and look for ways to increase that.

I feel that unsaturated fats, mct (medium chain triglycerides) , and coconut oil are a great way to increase calories in a healthy way. I won't promote increasing sugar content. You can have more calories , more energy , more health benefits without a bigger waistline...

Also look at how many times a week you are working out and calculate your intensity and your volume. There are formuals that can help you on this one , but intensity is based on time. Volume is not so increasing intensity will give your body more time to recover.

I'm sorry Satch , but the moral of this story should be that drugs don't make the man... I feel that good sound principals such as diet and exersize will help. You should heed the words that were spoken in that thread dealing with a good base. As my elementary school band director used to say , "the small things make the big things happen" You can inject 2g of primo and you'd have still lost :-(
 
just hit a couple of grams of test for 14 months and you'll reach 15lbs of tissue alot earlier then your finish line is at, i would save my money and skip gh and igf because they don't build muscle and they cost a fortune (at least for a cheap bastard like myself:D)

economical and safe if you do your bloodwork regularly. But this is NOT for beginners, if you're readdy for the comitment this is exactly how i would do (and doing right now, with results no one would belive me at)

once i read that study about that the theory about receptor saturation was bullshit i hit the highdose test and plan on being on for a year, been on for 3 months now. Remember the androgen receptor for instance has got a half life of only a few hours
 
Borg4902 said:
Boy I can see the headlines now. Primo's out now is on to pushing gh. Hell why not is much more expensive right. I can feel the bombs comming boy. I dont care I am still sore from the last 2 you bombed me with Satch. Why dont we handle this like men. I'll gain or loose just as much mass or bf% in half the time it takes you with half the amount of drugs. You know why because I live this shit 24/7. Any time any place. Youve been training longer than me by the way. Lets post up pics side to side. I was 280lbs of fat 3 years ago by the way never lifted a weight in my entire life! I sick of getting bombed and now im pissed off. I have been a member hear for a long time now and am not much of a bragger, but im sick of this! Im only 23 and put more heart into my diet and workouts than you ever will. Why dont you stop bullyin people, shut up, diet, lift, and listen to what the mods and vetrens have to say. Ive never had a problem with anyone hear until you. Who do you think you are. Your knowone, compared to some members here who have been working out for decades with degree's and certifications. Get a clue. Im done. Said my peace, and will continue to try and learn and help others without hurting people in the process. This board has brought a lot of joy to my life but lately its been making me sick!
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jesus christ...can we drop this already?
 
Borg4902 said:
Hey dude I said my peace, finally after a good bro here dropped my k bomb for me. Like I said im done.
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so stay away from my threads!
youre acting like a little kid!!!!!
 
satchboogie said:
i plan on dedicatin these 14 months to training ONLY!

that means sleeping 10 hours a night..
anotehr 2 hour afternoon nap.
diet in check (from bulkin to cuttin of course)
and i have ALL the gear i could ask for including hgh ready for action.

you think 15 pounds of pure muscle is pushing it??
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Thats alot of sleep
 
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