how much mass can you really put on per week (...without drugs or creatine, etc.)?

[abrocketsfan]

I have heard so many varying responses, so I want to ask the experts: you guys.

I've been eating about 3100-3200 calories per day , which is about 22-23 times my body weight. I have 12% bf, and i do jog 2 miles 2 or 3 times a week, not to mention i play basketball on my non-workout days

this big guy tells me I can eat like 4500-5000 calories and not worry about gaining weight. I mentioned to him that I have a normal metablism, nothing special, yet he insists that working out for 4 days a week and playing bball will make sure I don't get fat.

Then, you hear that eating too much while bulking i.e more than 25 times your weight will result in a decent level of fat gain

I don't eat much sugar, I get a lot of protein (twice my lean weight) and i eat healthy crap all they long. Considering I just increase the amount of healthy stuff i'm eating, will I just gain mmore lean mass or am I just setting myself up for more fat than I want?

ps. the guy gave me a training routine and told me that in 12 weeks i should put on 20-25 pounds if i eat that much, with most of it being mass. HE SAYS HE DID IT..

Who should I believe.. My conscioous or this guy's diet guidelines?

Also , I know he's not a clown because his training routine is topnotch and well-thought out, and everybody who knows him says he used to be huge until he got injured and stopped completely.

 

[Japanese machine]

20-25 pounds in 12 weeks! hell no, well maybe with steroids i think that you are doing fine; you cant force yourself to grow, its a slow process, eating way over your bmr will only make you gain 20-35lbs of FAT! and nobody wants that, as long as your getting stronger and bigger, theres no reaon to change anything; start questioning your diet rest and training regime, if your progress ever comes to a hault; otherwise keep doing what your doing.

 

[playdo]

you may gain that much fat...but know way will it be 25 pounds of muscle.

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[blood_drinker]

I thought we had agreed on 3500 rather than 3000 due to your cardio? I forget...

Anyway, expect 1lb per week. More than that, you're gaining too much fat. There aint no telling how much or how little - it's all individual genetics once you have the diet and training in check. But more than 1lbs after the first week, it's fat. During the first week, youll gain more (water).

 

[Ingram]

Well According to the Gunness book of world records Jon Minnoch gained 196 pounds in seven days. Although most of his gains were most likely not muscle

 

[mlomker]

ps. the guy gave me a training routine and told me that in 12 weeks i should put on 20-25 pounds if i eat that much, with most of it being mass.

Everyone's body is different. Newbies will make quick gains. I was a couch potato at 180lbs and 20% bf. In three weeks of a lifting and cardio (3x per week/each) I'm at 175lbs and 15% bf. A lean gain of about 7 lbs in just 3 weeks.

Will I gain 20lbs in 12 weeks? Probably. You're already an athlete so it won't be so easy for you.

I was reading a natural bodybuilding magazine online...forget where it was. They thought that 20lbs per year was excellent. That's what I'm shooting for.

 

[MarkFlC5]

ps. the guy gave me a training routine and told me that in 12 weeks i should put on 20-25 pounds if i eat that much, with most of it being mass.

I think he meant MASSES of adipose tissue. Blood is correct - genetics is the key as long as training is hard. Personally, I focus on HIT techniques to achieve my full genetic potential (unfortunately, I don't have the right DNA but very few of us do). And on that same topic, its sooooo important not to overtrain - its a true showstopper.