how much do you tip the pizza delivery person?

[Warik]

You totally missed my point.

No, I perfectly got your point. You are the one who has missed mine.

Your point was that it was ridiculous for me to state that a parking attendant gets paid $160. You are saying that it is ridiculous for me to state that a parking attendant makes more than a school teacher or a computer programmer.

The problem is that your claim is based on weekly hours, and that you seem to think that my claim is based on weekly hours.

It is not.

My claim is based on actual work hours. When you say: "I'm going to work." Do you mean "I'm going to WORK" or do you mean "I'm going to sit in my chair and do absolutely nothing except for a few brief moments of every hour during which I will actually do something productive and earn my pay." If you say the former, then you should also be insulted by the way the parking attendant is paid.

You go off to work and slave over a desk or a computer for close to 60 minutes every hour while the parking attendant sits there at his luxury to do whatever he wishes. What could the parking attendant be doing in all of that free time? Everything you're not.

Please keep in mind - I'M NOT SAYING THAT A PARKING ATTENDANT GETS "PAID MORE" THAN OTHER PROFESSIONS WITH HIGHER HOURLY RATES. I'm saying that a parking attendant gets paid more for ACTUAL WORK TIME than many other more-deserving professions.

-Warik

 

[Testoterone Tom]

I just have to throw in that, when me and my co-workers start our shifts, we are are non-stop busy. There is always something to do. I will acknowledge, however, if a server is purposely performing below his/her abilities, if you were not a poor tipper in the past, then by all means, go to a differant server and ask about the problem server. Maybe the server just sucks. If they are purposely sucking, go to someone else. If you have no other choice, confront him. If he still sucks, tell the manager. But TIP in the meantime, so you don't look cheap, and get bad service form everyone else because they see you not tipping.

 

[Daeo]

No, I perfectly got your point. You are the one who has missed mine.

Your point was that it was ridiculous for me to state that a parking attendant gets paid $160. You are saying that it is ridiculous for me to state that a parking attendant makes more than a school teacher or a computer programmer.

The problem is that your claim is based on weekly hours, and that you seem to think that my claim is based on weekly hours.

It is not.

My claim is based on actual work hours. When you say: "I'm going to work." Do you mean "I'm going to WORK" or do you mean "I'm going to sit in my chair and do absolutely nothing except for a few brief moments of every hour during which I will actually do something productive and earn my pay." If you say the former, then you should also be insulted by the way the parking attendant is paid.

You go off to work and slave over a desk or a computer for close to 60 minutes every hour while the parking attendant sits there at his luxury to do whatever he wishes. What could the parking attendant be doing in all of that free time? Everything you're not.

Please keep in mind - I'M NOT SAYING THAT A PARKING ATTENDANT GETS "PAID MORE" THAN OTHER PROFESSIONS WITH HIGHER HOURLY RATES. I'm saying that a parking attendant gets paid more for ACTUAL WORK TIME than many other more-deserving professions.

-Warik

So do you suggest that the parking attendant only show up to work when a car is present at the gate waiting to get out then? Actual work is irrelevant. Police officers for example don't "work" as you say they do. They deserve every penny and more though. Just because they aren't arresting someone every minute of the day doesn't mean they don't deserve what they get...

 

[Warik]

So do you suggest that the parking attendant only show up to work when a car is present at the gate waiting to get out then? Actual work is irrelevant. Police officers for example don't "work" as you say they do. They deserve every penny and more though. Just because they aren't arresting someone every minute of the day doesn't mean they don't deserve what they get...

Oh, of course not. That would not be a very efficient way of employing people.

The problem here, however, is that your analogy does not completely hold when compared to the initial topic of discussion. Why? The people parking in the parking lot do not directly pay the attendant's salary - the attendant's employee pays 100% of it. The citizens the police "protect" (note the quotes... but that's a whole other thread) do not directly pay the cop's salary - the city pays 100% of it.

How about waitresses? The customers DO pay most of their salary! I don't have the right to question the fairness about what the parking attendant makes because I don't pay his salary. I do, however, have the right to question the fairness of what the waitress gets paid because I DO pay her salary.

Exceptional service to me is:

1) Don't make me repeat myself.
2) Bring my food and drinks in a timely manner.
3) Don't make me have to play giraffe when I've taken out my credit card and am ready to pay.

That should be the minimum.

That being true, why do I pay extra for minimum service?

Do you tip the cashier for telling you that your groceries total out to $90? Hell no - that's her damn job.

So, should you tip the waitress for asking you what you want, bringing it, and then billing you for it? Why the hell - IT'S HER DAMN JOB!

Paying people extra to do what is minimally expected of them... amazing... only on Earth.

-Warik

 

[Daeo]

Oh, of course not. That would not be a very efficient way of employing people.

The problem here, however, is that your analogy does not completely hold when compared to the initial topic of discussion. Why? The people parking in the parking lot do not directly pay the attendant's salary - the attendant's employee pays 100% of it. The citizens the police "protect" (note the quotes... but that's a whole other thread) do not directly pay the cop's salary - the city pays 100% of it.

How about waitresses? The customers DO pay most of their salary! I don't have the right to question the fairness about what the parking attendant makes because I don't pay his salary. I do, however, have the right to question the fairness of what the waitress gets paid because I DO pay her salary.

Exceptional service to me is:

1) Don't make me repeat myself.
2) Bring my food and drinks in a timely manner.
3) Don't make me have to play giraffe when I've taken out my credit card and am ready to pay.

That should be the minimum.

That being true, why do I pay extra for minimum service?

Do you tip the cashier for telling you that your groceries total out to $90? Hell no - that's her damn job.

So, should you tip the waitress for asking you what you want, bringing it, and then billing you for it? Why the hell - IT'S HER DAMN JOB!

Paying people extra to do what is minimally expected of them... amazing... only on Earth.

-Warik

Actually you do pay the salaries of the people you stated. Not directly, but indirectly. Taxes pay the cop(which YOU pay), and the rate to park pays the attendant.

Bartenders and waitpersons make nothing(from their employer) and that's not going to change. Everyone knows that when they take that job they rely on tips for their income. The patrons also know that. It's not going to ever change. That's the way it's been since the beginning. It's not like they changed it on us overnight. Comparing a grocery clerk to a waiter isn't on line. If the grocery clerk did your shopping for you while I sat in my car hell yeah I'd tip him. You say that he shouldn't be tipped for doing his job, but part of his job is tips. Plus the waiters aren't complaining about not getting a higher wage. Relying on tips allows them to make more than they would on minimum wage. Which is what the employer would give them...

 

[crackedpolystyrene]

Things like this always make me sad. I'm tearing up right now... damnit.