How much do steroids enhance athletic performance ?

[dullboy]

there's a big downside to aas use in athletes and it's injuries.

dullboy could argue that in some cases, it outweighs the benefit.

 

[Bruce]

from my experience it does. i was a cunt hair away from playing tennis at a pac 10 school. had i known about deca then i would have made it. i played in leagues and tourney's though i wasn't on the team and my last year at school when i started juicing my serve jumped up to 130mph from 122mph and it was consistent. the recovery was phenomenal. i also played lacrosse and i'll tell you right now playing in an indoor men's league and being on eq, which is what all the rugby players took at my college even if they didn't lift, i do not get tired. deca is the ultimate anabolic allowing muscle recovery and lubrication so serving a tennis ball or pitching would be improved as far as enurance and consistency of velocity. eq is great for endurance and i'd love to go back to h.s and hit the lax field on some eq and tbol

 

[ass_face]

In sports where your max output is a short time... like Baseball and football. I think they are very beneficial... but for sports that require stamina and longterm output... not as useful. The exceptions to this would be Boldenone Undeclynate (EQ) and possibly Anavar. If you are engaging in a sport that requires cardiovascular output for 20-40 minutes... you would want to keep the potential for water retention and excess weight gain low. Thus, High Test cycles, Deca, Tren, D-Bol etc... would be useless.

Just my experience.

 

[clubelite]

This really doesn't anwser my question though, bonds is an isolated incident. Leaguewide, statiscians have confirmed that there's very little evidence that steroids even had a small impact on baseball homerun numbers - Ofcourse, there may be isolated incidents, but nonetheless, very little have seen an increase like that, if any at all.

How can you really say that? If the pitchers use steroids for example (or the stadiums get bigger or whatever), would that not have an effect on the batters?

It would also depend if steroids increases fast-twitch muscle fibers, which increases batspeed - Which has a lot to do with flexbility, but it does make sense that the added muscle would help you turn some warning track flyballs into homeruns, or a pitcher throw 95mph instead of 90mph.

If you say something about fast-twitch muscle fibers again I might choke. AAS cannot increase the number of muscle cells you have in the first place, but they can increase the size. This though is a matter of training. In reality, ANY type of training will cause fibers to take on endurance characteristics (which is why some of the highest % of fast twitch is seen in couch potatoes!), so training for the quality you want (whether it be strength/speed/etc.) is what would need to be done, not aiming at a specific fiber type. 90 vs 95mph? Get real man.

Interestingly enough, there was an elite sprinter (<10s) who had a muscle biopsy (well published) and was less than 50% fast twitch! So much for the whole fast twitch argument.

 

[jagerbombme]

Keep in mind that for every 3-4 lbs of fat you gain, you'll gain 1 lb of muscle just to support it.

does this mean you cannot put on muscle without putting on fat??

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

all good info guys

 

[BigCracker]

does this mean you cannot put on muscle without putting on fat??

My statement was directed more towards the avg person that doesn't exercise or pay attention to diet. For them, their steady diet of fast food, sugary soda, doughnuts, etc will inevitably cause weight gain over time. Most will be fat, but some additional muscle will be required just to carry it around every day. Now if you're totally inacive (bed-ridden from obesity?), you're not going to gain enough muscle to support your added fat. This is what leads to having to call paramedics because the toilet disappeared up your ass while taking a dump.

Generally speaking, the body does not like to build muscle and burn fat simultaneously. That's why bodybuilders use seperate phases of training, diet and drugs for bulking and seperate phases of training, diet and drugs for getting ripped. Doing both (gaining muscle/burning fat)at the same time is quite possible, but most guys seem to get more effective results doing one at a time.

 

[Prizz]

I see, and I could agree to a certain extent. But recovery could be very beneficial to a pitcher, especially an elder one. I've always suspected that roger clemens used something due to his sustained dominance well into his 40's. He had the stamina and endurance that a younger pitcher didn't even posess.

Yeah totally Clemens made a HUGE comeback.... What about Kurt Schilling? He was washed up when he was with the Phillies, but went to the Diamondbacks and became great again..... He was looking at MAJOR shoulder surgery, and prob NEVER recovering..... However, he's amazing now, and he's well into his 40's.... Not sure if he had the surgery, but I think he did..... Even more of a reason to use Deca post surgery.... I would bet the Farm he's using Deca, and that's what did it..... Good Pts Gpten....

rizz

 

[BigRupe]

Just a question for some research on doing - This drugs been the center of attention lately with the recent steroid scandal in baseball.

So how much of a difference do you guy's think it would make in an athlete's performance, namely a ballplayer ?

Baseball is a 6 to 7 month season. I think the biggest impact AAS have is in recovery and the healing from injuries.

I also think the increased red blood cells can aid in stamina.

 

[clubelite]

Baseball is a 6 to 7 month season. I think the biggest impact AAS have is in recovery and the healing from injuries.

I also think the increased red blood cells can aid in stamina.

Stamina and baseball in the same sentence?
Good point though about the recovery and injury rehabilitation.