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How much do oly shoes help?

trauck1506

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I forgot my New Balance shoes at home today so I just wore my Nike Dunks which are probably better for power cleans. Usually I can Clean about 165 2 times which is kinda sad, but some how I got up 200 pounds fairly easy. It might be the shoes or just coincidence, but I'm not sure. Also, don't ever run after doing them because I know I might be sore for weeks now.
 
What is the difference in weight you can lift? I would get something like that if I had the money and actually did oly lifts enough.
 
What is the difference in weight you can lift? I would get something like that if I had the money and actually did oly lifts enough.

Te difference is not huge but you can feel yourself pushing through your legs on lifts such as bench and shoulder press. To me I can feel myself push through the ground on all lifts. I dont do oly lifts, these shoes are fine for your bench,deadlift,squat,military press.
 
If you want shoes for squats and deads you might look into Converse All Stars. Flat soles so you sit back in the squat and push through your heels easier. Also transfers more weight to your hips and hams. Anything with a heel is counterproductive if you want a big squat or dead. There is a reason why many powerlifters wear Cons.
 
If you want shoes for squats and deads you might look into Converse All Stars. Flat soles so you sit back in the squat and push through your heels easier. Also transfers more weight to your hips and hams. Anything with a heel is counterproductive if you want a big squat or dead. There is a reason why many powerlifters wear Cons.

Than why put 10lb weights under your heels when squating if its counter productive?
 
I've yet to see a top level powerlifter squatting with plates under the heels or with heeled shoes. Its basic biomechanics. Flat shoes distribute the weight onto stronger muscle groups (hips and hams) so you lift more.

Than why put 10lb weights under your heels when squating if its counter productive?
 
Dunks are flats at the bottom and I think I will start using the regularly and I can even tell a big difference when running. It is definitely easier to drop under the weight while doing power cleans.
 
I've yet to see a top level powerlifter squatting with plates under the heels or with heeled shoes. Its basic biomechanics. Flat shoes distribute the weight onto stronger muscle groups (hips and hams) so you lift more.

I didn't know this was a power lifting forum or thread? I thought this was a body building forum?
 
I didn't know this was a power lifting forum or thread? I thought this was a body building forum?

Nope. We are an equal opportunity forum here. We take all types of meat-heads.

Now, I a bit biased here, but I believe the PL squat to be the most anatomically correct way to squat. It doesn't carve you up, but it does incorporate more muscles than any other version. It is also the obviously superior form to use when building strength.

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In general, the less shoe the better, none being optimal. All big bulky shoes do is restrict foot/ankle mobility and eliminate virtually all proprioceptive ability of the foot.
 
On a DL an only shoe also gives you about an additional 1.5" to pull.

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Going Deeper into the Deadlift with Mark Rippetoe, Part 1

Going Deeper into the Deadlift with Mark Rippetoe, Part 2

Mark Rippetoe on DLs and Oly Weight Lifting shoes

I have deadlifted heavy both ways. In my later lifting career, I switched over to weightlifting shoes and pulled my biggest deadlift—633 lbs—on two separate occasions. The shoes I wore were the old, Adidas weightlifting shoes that had a little heel (about 5/8-inch elevation from the ball of the foot to the heel).

When powerlifters think about getting back on the heels, they’re putting the bar over the middle of the foot because when you start pushing on the ground with a heavy bar, that’s where it’s going to be in balance. If it’s behind the middle of the foot, you’re going to be off balance backward. If it’s in front of the middle of the foot, you’re going to be off balance forward. So we don’t really want to be on the heels. We want the bar directly over the middle of the foot. A better cue would be to push the middle of the foot into the floor. I like to think about the contact path directly under the bar and push it into the floor. That keeps me in better balance than doing it any other way.

If I have a little heel under my shoe, that places my knee in a position that is a little bit forward, maybe three to five degrees more forward than it would be in flat shoes. This increases the quadriceps’ effectiveness off the floor because it increases the knee angle enough that it allows the quadriceps to open the knee up over a longer range of motion. Thus, the quadriceps has more work to do. It doesn’t increase the knee angle enough that posterior chain recruitment is diminished at all. The only way to do this would be to have enough of the heel so the lift would produce a knee angle so acute that it actually shortened the hamstrings from the distal end. We’re using the hamstrings from the proximal end to extend the hip. That’s the action of the posterior chain on the hip. If the knee angle is made acute enough that you actually put slack from the distal end into the hamstring you’re attempting to use from the proximal end, you diminish the effectiveness of the use of the posterior chain.

If the heel is low enough, there is no compromise between posterior chain recruitment and quadriceps recruitment. You only get that when the heel is too high. The heel on the shoe, while taking a tiny bit of tension off the hamstrings and making it a little bit easier to get into that extended lumbar position, also produces enough increase in the knee angle so that you get a little bit more work out of the quadriceps off the floor. I think it’s a reasonable compromise between that and the extra distance that the bar would have to be pulled. And the extra distance would be the height of the shoe directly over the middle of the foot, not at the end of the heel because you lock the bar out over the middle of the foot as well. That’s the extra distance that you’re pulling.

I also think wrestling shoes almost make it harder to get into the correct position because of the increased tension that the straighter knee places on the hamstrings. It’s harder to get the lumbar spine into an extended position against that hamstring tension. The pelvis is in a war for control between the muscles of the low back and the muscles of the hamstrings. If you’re going to pull the bar off the ground and not eventually hurt yourself, the lumbar spine needs to be in extension. That means the back muscles have to win the war.

In fact, the reason some deadlifters and most Olympic lifters rock forward onto their toes before they pull is because this takes the tension off the hamstrings and allows the low back to get into an arched position more easily. But it also means that the bar has to travel back to the mid-foot during the pull. This explains the “hook” in the bottom of the bar path in a clean and snatch, which is light enough compared to a deadlift that the bar can actually leave the ground in this position. They can be done this way, but a heavy deadlift won’t leave the ground very far in front of the mid-foot.

The bottom line is that I don’t want less muscle in the movement. I want as much muscle in the movement as I can get. I need them all because I’m going to use them all. Whether I’m at my one rep max or on my third attempt, I need as much stuff helping me out as possible.
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In general, the less shoe the better, none being optimal. All big bulky shoes do is restrict foot/ankle mobility and eliminate virtually all proprioceptive ability of the foot.

When I trained in my garage a few years back I never wore shoes and I think I may have power cleaned more. However the pain kinda gets to you after awhile.
 
Nope. We are an equal opportunity forum here. We take all types of meat-heads.

Now, I a bit biased here, but I believe the PL squat to be the most anatomically correct way to squat. It doesn't carve you up, but it does incorporate more muscles than any other version. It is also the obviously superior form to use when building strength.

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Thanks for the info. I can squat 405 in my stupid nike air shoes I wonder what I could squat with the correct shoes!
 
I'm only impressed with 405 if you are talking about 405 kilo's and breaking parallel.

Ref your earlier post, the original posts were talking about how much more you could lift with correct footwear. So, my response was appropriate.

Thanks for the info. I can squat 405 in my stupid nike air shoes I wonder what I could squat with the correct shoes!
 
I'm only impressed with 405 if you are talking about 405 kilo's and breaking parallel.

Ref your earlier post, the original posts were talking about how much more you could lift with correct footwear. So, my response was appropriate.

Dude how old are you?
My life and EF has nothing to do with trying to impress you! LOL
 
When I trained in my garage a few years back I never wore shoes and I think I may have power cleaned more. However the pain kinda gets to you after awhile.
Well, you've got to consider that if you wear shoes 99% of the time, the foot is going to adapt to that moreso than the .01% of time you spent doing cleans, which is likely why felt pain at all.
 
i use DC skating shoes. They are flat and wide, and i feel very stable in them. i've tried chucks too but prefer the skating style for their wide platform
 
those bottom gray and black ones are SAWEEEET
 
S'funny your first sentence was my response when you got all defensive about me mentioning powerlifting. Why mention 405 if you aren't trying to impress? You could have just said you were happy with your squat.

In any case flat shoes is the way to go.

Dude how old are you?
My life and EF has nothing to do with trying to impress you! LOL
 
1. You posted numbers in order to validate your opinion. Expect a response.

2. You've tried the 'this ain't a powerlifting forum' line....then the 'I'm so big and strong so I must be right' line....now the 'I'm so mature' line. Usual internet stuff and the reason I rarely bother with it now. This thread was about how shoes affect how much you lift. My original post was therefore valid. The rest was just you trying to throw your weight around.

But to answer your question...I'm old enough to know I lift far less than I'm capable of and young enough to still have lots of room to improve.

Dude how old are you?
My life and EF has nothing to do with trying to impress you! LOL
 
1. You posted numbers in order to validate your opinion. Expect a response.

2. You've tried the 'this ain't a powerlifting forum' line....then the 'I'm so big and strong so I must be right' line....now the 'I'm so mature' line. Usual internet stuff and the reason I rarely bother with it now. This thread was about how shoes affect how much you lift. My original post was therefore valid. The rest was just you trying to throw your weight around.

But to answer your question...I'm old enough to know I lift far less than I'm capable of and young enough to still have lots of room to improve.

Wow you are off bro the only reason I asked how old you were is because to squat 800+lbs would be heck on my knees as I am in my 40's powerlifting just isn't for me for more reasons than I care to mention. Sorry if you took offense to my asking how old you are. Can you squat 800+lbs?
Happy St. Patty's day!
 
Nope - can't squat 800lb. But then I don't consider my lifts even remotely impressive.

Do my knees creak, groan, make some strange popping noises?...uh yes. In age terms we aren't far off each other - 36.

No disrespect meant to bodybuilders etc. Far from it. I respect anybody who trains hard and with the proper attitude.

Wow you are off bro the only reason I asked how old you were is because to squat 800+lbs would be heck on my knees as I am in my 40's powerlifting just isn't for me for more reasons than I care to mention. Sorry if you took offense to my asking how old you are. Can you squat 800+lbs?
Happy St. Patty's day!
 
Nope - can't squat 800lb. But then I don't consider my lifts even remotely impressive.

Do my knees creak, groan, make some strange popping noises?...uh yes. In age terms we aren't far off each other - 36.

No disrespect meant to bodybuilders etc. Far from it. I respect anybody who trains hard and with the proper attitude.

I hear you there, I thought I was training pretty hard then I bought that damn pamphlet Omega just put out. Wow, it's rough and it's light weight for the bad jointers, for me its my shoulders, my knees are gtg.
If you ever think of going the BB'er route you might look into it.
 
got my shoes yesterday. I was so excited i put them on and did some bodyweight squats in my house lol. I've got squats and power cleans today. Can't wait.
 
Let us know how it works out! I am really thinking my shoes are a serious detriment to my wo.
 
I may have to convert to bodybuilding sometime in the future. In the mean time I'm just protecting my joints as much as possible. FOr me it's all about making the lift.

The Omega workout looks like uh fun ;)

I hear you there, I thought I was training pretty hard then I bought that damn pamphlet Omega just put out. Wow, it's rough and it's light weight for the bad jointers, for me its my shoulders, my knees are gtg.
If you ever think of going the BB'er route you might look into it.
 
I'm giving these a serious thumbs up. The slight incline of the heel helped me achieve more depth in my squats. At 6'4" this isn't easy.

There was also an overall feeling of being connected to the floor. As if i was barefoot. The sole (if you call it that) has very little give whatsoever and the side straps allow you to tighten the shoes around your feet to the point that they feel more like socks.

The key to this also (and it's mentioned on the website) to get 1/2 size SMALLER than your normal running shoe. This creates an even more snug fit.

Here is the site I don't know much about the brand but i assume you could shop around for these. I found this site after reading a recommendation by Mark Rippetoe on lifting shoes.
 
I'm giving these a serious thumbs up. The slight incline of the heel helped me achieve more depth in my squats. At 6'4" this isn't easy.

There was also an overall feeling of being connected to the floor. As if i was barefoot. The sole (if you call it that) has very little give whatsoever and the side straps allow you to tighten the shoes around your feet to the point that they feel more like socks.

The key to this also (and it's mentioned on the website) to get 1/2 size SMALLER than your normal running shoe. This creates an even more snug fit.

Here is the site I don't know much about the brand but i assume you could shop around for these. I found this site after reading a recommendation by Mark Rippetoe on lifting shoes.

I'm pretty sure I'll be getting me some of those pretty darn soon!
 
Definitely go 1/2 size smaller than your normal running shoe. I was worried about this at first, i wear a size 13 and hate tight shoes. I got 12 1/2 in these and they are perfect.

I wear a 16-17 in normal shoes but my Adidas OLY shoes are 15's and they COULD be a half size smaller and be ok.

;)
 
Is that in US size?
WTF?
 
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