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How in the hell do you get 5k calories????
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hooverdeuce
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Some people definitely need that amount of calories. I stopped gaining on 3500-4000 so I bumped it to around 5500 day and have gained 20 lbs in 6 weeks, and my body fat has only gone up maybe 1-2% since I lift or do cardio every day. I eat 5 or 6 solid food meals and drink a natural mass gainer shake, an isolate shake pwo, and casein before bed, all with 2% milk. Grilled chicken breasts and steaks are my staple meats and potatos, yams, brown rice, veggies and oats for carbs. Of course sometimes I throw in a pizza etc but i try to keep it as clean as possible. It does take time and money though. Alot of my time is spent cooking/eating, I quit my job and had extra time on my hands so it's easy for me now... but I also spend probably 1k a month on food and protein.
jacshelb
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How tall are you, what do you weigh and how old? These things are going to determine (to an extent) your metabolism and caloric needs.
You can have 4000 easy if you go about it correctly. You have to find foods you actually like, not force-feed yourself a bunch of protein powders.
Here's what I do when bulking (I'm being honest, so this isn't going to be all clean eating by any stretch):
Meal-
1) 2 scoops whey, 1 banana, 1 tbsp peanut butter, strawberries in 12 oz skim milk
2) possibly chinese food- noodles, chicken on a stick, egg rolls etc. not going overboard, but some dense cals
3) another shake as above
4) whole food meal made at home like: 2 lean 1/4 lb cheeseburgers, baked potato with light sour cream, glass of milk
5) Snack, possibly some fast food or something like that
6) shake just like the first one
That's gonna be 4000 cal or more with over 300 grams of protein, 100-125 grams of fat, and 400 grams or so of carbs give or take. That really is a typical bulk up kind of day for me. If you are training hard, getting plenty of rest, and have your "supplements" in place you shouldn't actually put on that much fat in my experience. I'm sorry if that seems like an irresponsible diet or whatever, but it's the truth for me and probably a lot of guys when bulking. I gained some quality weight going to burger king nearly every night, "supplementing" my meals with 2 cheeseburgers, a small fry, and a slice of their cheap pie! Best gains I ever made in fact.
You can have 4000 easy if you go about it correctly. You have to find foods you actually like, not force-feed yourself a bunch of protein powders.
Here's what I do when bulking (I'm being honest, so this isn't going to be all clean eating by any stretch):
Meal-
1) 2 scoops whey, 1 banana, 1 tbsp peanut butter, strawberries in 12 oz skim milk
2) possibly chinese food- noodles, chicken on a stick, egg rolls etc. not going overboard, but some dense cals
3) another shake as above
4) whole food meal made at home like: 2 lean 1/4 lb cheeseburgers, baked potato with light sour cream, glass of milk
5) Snack, possibly some fast food or something like that
6) shake just like the first one
That's gonna be 4000 cal or more with over 300 grams of protein, 100-125 grams of fat, and 400 grams or so of carbs give or take. That really is a typical bulk up kind of day for me. If you are training hard, getting plenty of rest, and have your "supplements" in place you shouldn't actually put on that much fat in my experience. I'm sorry if that seems like an irresponsible diet or whatever, but it's the truth for me and probably a lot of guys when bulking. I gained some quality weight going to burger king nearly every night, "supplementing" my meals with 2 cheeseburgers, a small fry, and a slice of their cheap pie! Best gains I ever made in fact.
Therealdeal06555
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you like sour cream with your baked potato too huh lol
who dosnt?...
agreed totally. pro bbers are in that caloric range.
start looking closer at your macros, particularly fat and carbs. 300 grams of protein is way more than enough in my opinion. i would even go to 250 and manipulate fats/carbs better.
hooverdeuce
Banned
Just eat 5k a day mostly clean and do cardio... when you get up over 200 cut some weight and youll be a huge 190+. Alot faster and easier than eating 3500 cals and gaining 1 lb of lean mass every 2 months... no thanks.
so explain how gaining fat and then having to lose it is faster than being smarter? besides having to spend less money, its easier to gain muscle slow than burn fat and waste muscle. but let me guess, when you cut all you lose is fat.
needtogetaas
New member
Once you get to a point its pretty hard to gain muscle with out gaining a little fat. But you are correct there is a point when you are just gaining to much fat.
hooverdeuce
Banned
Yeah, everyone is different and has different caloric needs... but I feel like if you can eat over 5k clean calories for a while, even if you do gain some extra fat, it will be a cake walk to do a lean bulk with 4k -4500 calories. I don't even try and get an easy 4500 clean cals now.
i grow better with a masive diet. i put on fat and muscle. then when i cut i take the apropriate measures to hold the majority of my mass as i shed the fat. people are different. 2 things are the same for everyone.
1. gaining rediculous amounts of fat is counter productive.
2. eating a huge diet even if it is clean is not healthy.
a smart aproach is to keep it super clean and only eat what you need to grow.
1. gaining rediculous amounts of fat is counter productive.
2. eating a huge diet even if it is clean is not healthy.
a smart aproach is to keep it super clean and only eat what you need to grow.
