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How effective is Clomid alone for pct?

hcg dosent aromatize... the tes you produce while on it does

stop the clomid
take your hcg
take you arimidex
start your clomid again when done with hcg
order more clomid and take it too
ag guys banner at bottom of forum sell it
keep your gains

and that should be that

if someones gonna say that wont work then be prepared to say why and bring evidence


FIGHT THE POWER!!!!
 
acneman said:
hcg dosent aromatize... the tes you produce while on it does

stop the clomid
take your hcg
take you arimidex
start your clomid again when done with hcg
order more clomid and take it too
ag guys banner at bottom of forum sell it
keep your gains

and that should be that

if someones gonna say that wont work then be prepared to say why and bring evidence



FIGHT THE POWER!!!!
Why should he stop the clomid?
 
Dellyo said:
Why should he stop the clomid?
he dosent need it while on the hcg
clomid cant revitalize your hpta while hcg is active
it wouldnt hurt as far as i know but since he has to wait for delivery of more
i recomend he stop until after hcg so by the time his clomid is gone he will have more
 
Dellyo said:
Why should he stop the clomid?


I think he was advising me to stop the clomid because I am almost out and save it for the last week of HCG therapy. I just ordered more clomid so I'm good. According to the e book I purchased on this site written by George Spellwin titled "Chemical Wizardy" he recommends:

The optimal dosage for an athlete using HCG has never been established, but it is thought that a single shot of 1000 to 2000 IU per week will get the desired results. HCG must be refrigerated after it is mixed together and it then has a life of about 10 weeks. It is taken intramuscularly only. This drug is often available by order of a physician if you show symptoms of hypogonadism.

I am going to do one single shot of HCG (1500 iu's) a week along with the clomid 50mg/day and 1/2mg of arimidex eod. I'll let you guys know how it is. I feel safe and comfortable at these dosages. thanks guys for all your input. Next question will be how to avoid getting fucked buying legal gear (approx $225 per vial for 10 cc vial of sust or deca each!!!) and how to buy my own kits to make my own shit but that will be a new thread......
 
anabolic12 said:
Not trying to still you thunder, but it will bring your balls back by just using clomid. Hell, 5 years ago it was just clomid..

Bro do u have any scientific proof for your statement?

Clomid is the anti-estrogen of choice for improving recovery of natural testosterone production after a cycle, improving testosterone production of endurance athletes, and is also effective in reducing risk of gynecomastia during a cycle employing aromatizable steroids.

Link:
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/steroid-profiles/clomid.htm

I've searched everywhere in the net and no where it says that Clomid restores the testes to size
 
You must spread some Karma around before giving it to AhMadKooL again.\
since i cant karma you i give you props for links and research

now i think that clomid will not swell youre nuts
but after clomid only pct your hpta is restored to a minimal acceptable level and your man raisins will eventually recover on there own

i believe hcg anti aromatase and clomid is the superior pct for maximum recovery and keepable gains
 
E2, who doesn't post here anymore, used to run only clomid post cycle with no HCG, and it worked for him everytime.

I'd say you will be fine with clomid.

I do favor HCG in my mix before I use my Clomid, however, it is possible to just use clomid. I'd run some AIFM with it though, if you could.

BMJ
 
I'd go with acneman's advice and start the HCG as soon as possible by itself at 500 i.u. ed for 10-20 days. Then start clomid for 2-3wks and don't use nolvadex at anytime during the pct because of the deca.
 
For me, it has only been clomid and arimidex..

And for the ball shrinkage: Time Fixes it:) I only cycle twice a year dough, but still, if you only use clomid, you balls will come back... Whith time.

HCG fixes that quickly i hear--

Good luck bro:)
 
Here is why you need clomid period. Clomid starts the whole chain of events, which means it will bring your balls back. HCG will bring your balls back right now where clomid could take a little bit, but, hcg alone will not help you. you need clomid to get your glands working again as hcg will shut them down. read this. it's true. it happened to me, and it happened to my buddy who just tried hcg only pct. he finished his cycle after me, so he just finished his hcg 4 days ago and couldn't nut on his woman last night. i couldn't get it hard for a week and had no desire and was so tired. then even watching porn i was slapping it like comon.

started clomid and hcg together, 250iu of hcg, 50mg of clomid, by the second day, my balls were back, for the second time, and i had libido again. took 500iu more of hcg and that's all i need cause my balls are back and big and bouncing around, so, clomid for another month will make sure they stay that way. my muscles also seemed to get very flat that week, i thought i was loosing everything, now that everythings working again, i see i didn't lose anything really, it was a week only, but without the clomid i sure woudl have.

bottom line, my balls shrunk a tiny tiny bit from my cycle, they started coming back before i started hcg.

no pct is better than hcg only pct
clomid only will help bring you back
clomid with hcg is good. stop hcg 3 weeks before stopping clomid

this is from experience now, im not just saying someone elses shit



The downside is that HCG too is suppressive of natural testosterone. Because it takes the place of LH. LH is not the first step in the chain of command, instead its manufactured in the pituitary under the response of Gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH) which is secreted from the hypothalamus. And since an LH mimicking agent is supplied exogenously, the negative feedback signal to the hypothalamus will still tell it to stop making GnRH, and so no natural LH is produced. This is why the product is always used in conjunction with a potent estrogen receptor antagonist like clomid or Nolvadex. When the androgen level in the body has dropped, these antagonists will lower estrogenic response creating a steroid deficit that signals the Hypothalamus to start making GnRH. When it does, after HCG therapy, testicle size is up again and shortly thereafter natural testosterone manufacture should return to normal. But therefore its crucial that users note that though HCG is essential after long cycles, it shouldn't be used without clomid or Nolvadex AND HCG should be discontinued at least two weeks before coming off Clomid or Nolvadex or else it will suppress natural testosterone itself.
 
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