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How does my first cycle look guys?

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Spades24

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I am 24 years old, 6' 200 pounds at about 15% body fat. I will be cutting until July where I aim to be 9% and then want to bulk on this cycle. How does everything look?

Weeks 1-4: Test E 250mg twice a week, D-bol 30mg ED, HCG 250iu twice a week

Weeks 4-7: Test E 250mg twice a week, HCG 250iu twice a week

Weeks 8-12: Test E 250mg twice a week, Anavar 60mg ED, HCG 250iu twice a week

Weeks 13-14: Anavar 60mg ED, HCG 500iu ED (stop HCG 4 days before PCT)

Aromasin 12.5mg ED on cycle Weeks 1-14

PCT: (4 weeks, 15-18)
Nolvadex ED 40/40/20/20
Clomid ED 50/50/25/25

Is the HCG set up correctly? Is Aromasin set up correctly to combat bloat, and do I still need Letro on hand, or will Aromasin combat gyno as well?

I know Dbol converts to estrogen quickly, but the HCG and Aromasin will alleviate that right?

And is the Dbol dosage high enough?

Thanks guys
 
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PCT looks like shit.

And as for the cycle all I can say is good luck getting 250ML into you twice a week...
 
jmat2407 said:
PCT looks like shit.

And as for the cycle all I can say is good luck getting 250ML into you twice a week...
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sorry, was obviously a typo, i meant 250mg twice a week.

and maybe offer me a PCT recommendation instead of just saying it looks like shit?
 
Spades24 said:
sorry, was obviously a typo, i meant 250mg twice a week.

and maybe offer me a PCT recommendation instead of just saying it looks like shit?
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You asked how it looked, so I told you straight up.
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Now as to why does it look like shit? Running Clomid/nolva togeather is pointless. Each of their sole purpose is to restore HPTA. They is no synergy in stacking them.

So now your thinking ok just take one or the other and be g2g? Wrong. Yes Clomid or nolva will restore total test levels, however they will not help your free test levels. This is because both of these drugs cause an increase in shbg. nolva will also crush your Libido. Each will cause an increase in estrogen levels. The list goes on.

A much better PCT would be 4 weeks of..
Clomid 25mg/day
Forma stanzol 5 pumps am and Pm
Unleashed/Post Cycle combo pack

Follow up with a bottle of bridge.
 
jmat2407 said:
You asked how it looked, so I told you straight up. :p

Now as to why does it look like shit? Running clomid/nolva togeather is pointless. Each of their sole purpose is to restore HPTA. They is no synergy in stacking them.

So now your thinking ok just take one or the other and be g2g? Wrong. Yes clomid or nolva will restore total test levels, however they will not help your free test levels. This is because both of these drugs cause an increase in shbg. Nolva will also crush your libido. Each will cause an increase in estrogen levels. The list goes on.

A much better pct would be 4 weeks of..
Clomid 25mg/day
Forma stanzol 5 pumps am and Pm
Unleashed/Post Cycle combo pack

Follow up with a bottle of bridge.
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Ok, now I'm confused. All the reading I've done lists either Clomid or Nolva, or the combination of the two, with maybe Aromasin or Arimidex mixed in, or HCG.

I have not heard of Forma stanzol or unleashed?
 
How many cycles have you run or is this your first? That will be important for best responses. But as far as test and dbol doses you look good. And yes the aromasin will help with the conversion to estrogen, but HCG has nothin to do with that. Still the HCG is good though it keeps your berries at work. And you should not need letro it is an AI same thing as aromasin just REAL strong, but if you have not had major problems with that in the past you should be good. As far as gyno it's nolv that helps with that once it has started to develop but aromasin should help avoid it.
 
therugger said:
How many cycles have you run or is this your first? That will be important for best responses. But as far as test and dbol doses you look good. And yes the aromasin will help with the conversion to estrogen, but HCG has nothin to do with that. Still the HCG is good though it keeps your berries at work. And you should not need letro it is an AI same thing as aromasin just REAL strong, but if you have not had major problems with that in the past you should be good. As far as gyno it's nolv that helps with that once it has started to develop but aromasin should help avoid it.
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Thank you. This is my first cycle, and I know they say test is best for first cycle, but this is considered a novice stack. I also really want to try and limit to one cycle, even though that's supposedly easier said than done.

If I take Aromasin then, there's no need for a stronger estro inhibitor? What if I start to exhibit gyno symptoms while taking Aromasin? Just up the dosage? And will Aromasin make it so I don't have the typical Dbol moon face bloat?
 
Spades24 said:
Ok, now I'm confused. All the reading I've done lists either Clomid or Nolva, or the combination of the two, with maybe Aromasin or Arimidex mixed in, or HCG.

I have not heard of Forma stanzol or unleashed?
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Forma Stanzol-
https://www.mrsupps.com/Products/18/Forma+Stanzol/

Post cycle/unleashed combo pact-
Unleashed/Post Cycle Combo

With modern day OTC supplements for pct anyone who recommends a nolva/clomid only pct is either greatly misinformed or just to damn stubborn to admit their decades old pct regimen is flawed and outdated.
 
^^

Thanks. So it's a topical spray? You mean 10 sprays a day right? Split up into 2?

sorry again though, but i forgot to mention bridge, havn't heard of that either

Do you mind if I chat with you? You seem to know your ish
 
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Spades24 said:
^^

Thanks. So it's a topical spray? You mean 10 sprays a day right? Split up into 2?


sorry again though, but i forgot to mention bridge, havn't heard of that either


Do you mind if I chat with you? You seem to know your ish
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U'm its not so much a spray, it comes out almost like a thick gel but dries in seconds after you rub it on. And yes 5 pumps Am, 5 pumps Pm for a total 10 pumps a day.

Bridge- You don't need it for pct but its something nice to take in between cycles to kinda of give you that overall good feeling again...

Bridge
 
Thanks man you're the shit.

I'll use your PCT. Does my cycle itself look OK though? The Aromasin is something I'm unsure of. Do I stop taking it at end of cycle if I follow your PCT? Do I need Nolva or Letro on hand in case of gyno, or do I just up the Aromasin dosage, or should I not take Aromasin at all unless I get gyno symptoms. I kind of want to take it to keep the dbol bloat down. And there's no need to do clomid 50/50/25/25?
 
Spades24 said:
Thanks man you're the shit.

I'll use your PCT. Does my cycle itself look OK though? The Aromasin is something I'm unsure of. Do I stop taking it at end of cycle if I follow your PCT? Do I need Nolva or Letro on hand in case of gyno, or do I just up the Aromasin dosage, or should I not take Aromasin at all unless I get gyno symptoms. I kind of want to take it to keep the dbol bloat down. And there's no need to do clomid 50/50/25/25?
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Yeah seeing as how your going to be on test/dbol/hcg I'd take a small dose of aromasin if you wanted to be on the safe side. Increase it if you need it. Yeah you could have letro on hand if your really prone to gyno but I doubt you'll need it as aromasin isn't much weaker.

No just keep the clomid at 25mg/day all four weeks. Oh and weeks 13-14 where you bump the hcg up to 500/day, dont do that.
 
In regards to the HCG then, I should keep it at 250iu twice a week all cycle up until 4 days before PCT, and then stop? Or should I use it during PCT too, and at what dose?
 
Any opinions on HCGenerate and if I should use that if I'm already going to use Unleashed/Post cycle stack and forma stanzol?

Also, what time does Dbol need to be taken?
 
Nobody on other forums has heard of Forma Stanzole or unleashed/post cycle stack for PCT? I keep hearing Nolva and Clomid.

What do?
 
Spades24 said:
Thank you. This is my first cycle, and I know they say test is best for first cycle, but this is considered a novice stack. I also really want to try and limit to one cycle, even though that's supposedly easier said than done.

If I take Aromasin then, there's no need for a stronger estro inhibitor? What if I start to exhibit gyno symptoms while taking Aromasin? Just up the dosage? And will Aromasin make it so I don't have the typical Dbol moon face bloat?
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No if you start to show signs of gyno start takin the nolv immediately, when ya catch it early nolv is normally enough to solve your problem. Aromasin should just make that less likely, but if you do develop it and need to use nolv then moving forward I swould go heavier on your AI. In that case more aromasin is an option but switch to letro is probably best.

Those are new OTC supps. I had not heard of them over the years either and was scratchin my head when I started comin around this board again, but they are a new supplement that it seems the vast majority of people on this board are very fond of. Based on the opinions here they seem to be a solid choice for PCT, but what you have set up is not at all wrong. Maybe look at dosing but clomid and nolvadex for PCT in conjuction with HCG during your cycle have been the the effective standard in PCT for years and DO work. I intend to try adding some of these OTC products in soon and seein what happens as a better faster recovery is never a bad thing, but I will definately still include nolv/clomid. Good luck on the just one cycle plan by the way
 
hey spades listen to jmat. he has given great advise. i am about to start the exact same pct that he recommended to you. also if you start to get gyno symptoms i would switch to the letro like therugger said. good luck bro!
 
I approve of jmat's pct recommendations. I've used this very same PCT in the past with great success.
 
So you all 3 of you are using these new products? I am just interested on some info on how you have used them. The idea of OTC for PCT seems a little iffy at first glance. But if I'm not mistakin needto was involved in designing these. Please let me know if I'm correct about needto's involvement. But if so that is enough to make me feel a little better about using them. I have go t nothing but solid advice from that bro over the years so if he vouched for somethin I was interested it, so if he actually designed I am VERY interested. But you do still include one or both the old school staples or no?
 
I've been hearing not to run hcg all cycle and to save it for towards the end of cycle. Comments?

Unaware of hmg
 
stevesmi said:
this isn't a rough cycle to recover from. just run a PCT with a SERM and you will be fine.

i like to run hcg, HMG while the esthers are clearing, and then run a low dose SERM, and then unleashed at the end.

do that and you will be fine.
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This....stevesmi knows his pct
 
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