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How do you view steroid dealer's ?...

bouncer

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On a thread here in the past 24 hrs someone likened steroid dealers as the same as scumbag drug dealer's !.
I have never seen a strungout bodybuilder mug an old lady for his steroid money yet, or hold a syringe to a store owner throat and demand the stores takings for his sustanon fix !.
So there's there's a question, are the two comparable ?

Bouncer
 
They're comparable in the sense that what they're doing is against the law (federal offense).

But, steroid dealers do not really push their drugs. If someone wants them they seek out a dealer and purchase them.

A crack dealer's goal is to get you hooked so you keep coming back for more, and they do not care about you or your health. Many will seek out their "victims" to push their drugs.

that's my $.02 :)
 
I agree that what steroid dealers do is against the law....but that's where the similarities end with your run of the mill drug pushers and dealers in my opinion....

roids aren't causing strung-out junkies that can't think straight... (most roid users could not think straight beforehand....lol)...

You don't hear much about execution-style murders related to the Portugese roid cartel....
 
I view them the same. The spectrum of dealers is so wide, you have all types of different dealers for any type of drug. A lot of good people deal a variety of drugs on the side. Ultimately, they're all in it to make money. Some are more ethical than others and generally the people who deal heavier drugs are the least ethical. These are usually the street dealers.
 
I think it should be a lesser offence if charged for possesion or distribution.

I compare it to prostitution just another over rated, victimless crime.
 
I agree with the Prince. To say that steriod dealers and drug dealers are not at least comparable is wrong. They have too much in common:

- As stated before, they both sell illegal drugs.

- The both sell mood-altering, addictive drugs. Yes, steriods are addictive in a different way than say pot or meth, and are not used by nearly as many people, but they are addictive. You need only visit the Anabolic board for evidence of that. And yes, the mood-altering effects are usually unwanted with gear as opposed to hard drugs. But they alter your mood nonetheless.

- Their are honest dealers, and weasel dealers, no matter what they're selling.

- They both sell drugs that are abused by people.

Now, do I think they're on the same level? No. I think more people use gear responsibly than heroine. I think most people who use gear live mostly healthy lives. So in that sense, they are not the same. But I think to say that they are completely different animals is hypocritical.
 
So if I have this right. Some of you guys would compare the guy selling crack to kids, dealers who could'nt give a fuck how much blood money he's taking from these kids to the bodybuilder selling steroids to people of whom 99% lead good constructive lives, who don't have to rob to finance their addiction ?. Am I right in thinking that ?

Bouncer
 
The steroid dealers that ive come across are all way too stupid to be giving out any advice.

They dont really consider whether its good for them to be doing steroids as long as they get HUUGE. They dont care about the health of their clients either.. as long as they get the money for their own roids, then they're happy. So, i'd say steroid dealers are almost on a par with drug-dealers.
 
bouncer said:
So if I have this right. Some of you guys would compare the guy selling crack to kids, dealers who could'nt give a fuck how much blood money he's taking from these kids to the bodybuilder selling steroids to people of whom 99% lead good constructive lives, who don't have to rob to finance their addiction ?. Am I right in thinking that ?

Bouncer

What about the upper level exec who smokes a couple rocks on the weekend, sniffs a little throughout the week, and a few bumps here there at the office, yet manages to lead a productive life?

What about the steroid dealer who sells some a bombs to a 13 year freshman football player and the kid ends up fucking up his liver and in a hospital? Or maybe steals some money from his mom's purse because he doesn't have time to hold onto a job because of school, sports, and training?
 
Frackal said:
They are my heroes. Seriously.

LMAO! :D

Dictionary's definition of hero:

A person noted for feats of courage or nobility of purpose, especially one who has risked or sacrificed his or her life.

A person noted for special achievement in a particular field.


:)
 
Evil bastards peddling their vials of death to unsuspecting, hardworking people. I dont know how they can look at themselves in the mirrior.....
 
Bouncer... the guy who made that comparison is a total jerk off.

No it is not the same.
 
Good folks that sell me chemicals to further my goals in bodybuilding, not exactly the neighborhood crack dealer.
 
I view them the same as I would a guy that helps some friends score a little herb. It hurts no one.

Crack, Smack, Crank, oxys.......Man thats another story.
 
I've never met a steroid dealer who didn't have his hands into something else. Unless its a guy dumping a couple bottles of this or that----I don't consider those types of guys dealers...Guys out there that are pushing massive amounts of gear or not doing it to help out the follow "botha" there doing it for the same reasons and coke and H dealers are doing it---$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
 
I don't think they are comparable at all. If I sell you stolen TV's then it is the same as selling drugs, I am selling something illegal.

I kind of think people selling roids are providing a service. They are not cooking up rock. They are simply taking most of the risk for the bodybuilders for a small fee. Seems fair to me. There is no way I can run to mexico everytime I need something. Plus I have never heard of a bodybuilder taking it in the ass by 5 nigs just to get some sust.
 
MP5 said:
I don't think they are comparable at all. If I sell you stolen TV's then it is the same as selling drugs, I am selling something illegal.


The point was not that they both sell something illegal, but that they both sell illegal drugs. That is a fact.
 
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MP5 said:

I have never heard of a bodybuilder taking it in the ass by 5 nigs just to get some sust.

Come out to california and you will find these guys in the gym and in your mags----
 
Other drugs you can get from a decent size steroid dealer:

1. XTC
2. GHB
3. valiums
4. Nubain
5. vics
6. percs
7. K
8. zannies
9. weed
10. OCs
11. meth and other speed related items
12. coke
13. mushrooms (from time to time)


But the main drugs are:
steroids
xtc
painpills and or nubain
sleeping pills
G+K
speed
 
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both breaking the law, yes. But the steroid dealer is selling a product usually made be a known international pharm. company (ok some are making their own). And these products are legal in many countries of the world. A crack/ heroin dealer is selling a product with no manufacturing regs or controls to speak of, or at least no accountability.
Just my thoughts.

YD
 
I agree with many of my fellow board members, steroids should not be associated with other serious narcotics. However, there is a thin line between destructive addiction and recreational use. Far to often addicts of less serious drugs move on to hard core substance abuse.

A steroid dealer in my opinion is the same as a crack/cocaine dealer. They both violate the law and do not adhear to moral or ethical conduct. Both are concerned with making money and exploting those who seek their services.
 
WELL BOUNCER I THOUGHT YOU WERE JUST IGNORING MY COMMENTS BUT I WAS THE ONE WHO MADE THAT STATEMENT. YOUR TALKING ABOUT STRUNG OUT PEOPLE AND ADDICTS I WAS TALKING ABOUT DRUG DEALERS IN GENERAL. MOST STEROID DEALERS I KNOW SELL MORE THEN JUST JUICE MOSTLY E AND WEED NOTHING OUTTA CONTROL. SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ON THE OTHER HAND SELL HARDCORE SHIT BUT I DON'T KNOW WERE YOUR GETTING THIS SELLING TO LITTLE KIDS AND FORCING THEM TO DO IT NONE OF THEM ARE LIKE THAT FIRST OF ALL KIDS DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO EVEN GET THE KINDA SHIT MY FRIENDS SELL SECONDLY THEY WOULD NOT SELL TO KIDS IF THEY COULD, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GOT THE IDEA OF DRUG DEALERS FROM A BAD AFTER SCHOOL SPEACIAL OR SOMETHING THEY ARE NOT LIKE WHAT YOU SAY AT ALL I KNOW FIRST HAND.
 
yellowdog said:
both breaking the law, yes. But the steroid dealer is selling a product usually made be a known international pharm. company (ok some are making their own). And these products are legal in many countries of the world. A crack/ heroin dealer is selling a product with no manufacturing regs or controls to speak of, or at least no accountability.
Just my thoughts.

YD

actually most of the gear found on the streets is bunk----and what is worse is the dealers that are dealing them know its bunk------So when a steroid dealer is dealing something to make a profit off it and he knowingly knows that its shit, that to me makes this guy lower then an H dealer.
 
i bought some stuff from a guy a while ago (it was fake) and this guy was a lowlife fuckwad who i later learned smoked fucking crack (for real) and wound up on heroin about a year later. he was a junkie only interested in the fast buck. my source now if a clearheaded businessman who realizes my long term patronage is far more valuable that ripping me off for $600. i trust this guy more than most of my friends.
 
All very interesting stuff, it sounds like a completely different scene in the states than Ireland !. I have never even seen crack !. I views drug dealer's here, ie the lowlife scumbag pushing smack etc are pure evil where as I view the steroid dealer (again in Ireland) as just someone exploiting a market in BB'ing !.

Actually, and this is not intended to flame Jenn.Bfl chick, it was Jenn who brought this to my mind in another thread where we locked horns !. It opened my mind to something which might be happening in our sport in the USA which could eventually come over here if it was true. But steroid use is on a very small scale here and I've never even seen fake roids in Ireland !. We know all the dealers here personally !.

Thanks for the replies.

Bouncer
 
gymtime said:
I agree with the Prince. To say that steriod dealers and drug dealers are not at least comparable is wrong. They have too much in common:

- As stated before, they both sell illegal drugs.

- The both sell mood-altering, addictive drugs. Yes, steriods are addictive in a different way than say pot or meth, and are not used by nearly as many people, but they are addictive. You need only visit the Anabolic board for evidence of that. And yes, the mood-altering effects are usually unwanted with gear as opposed to hard drugs. But they alter your mood nonetheless.

- Their are honest dealers, and weasel dealers, no matter what they're selling.

- They both sell drugs that are abused by people.

Now, do I think they're on the same level? No. I think more people use gear responsibly than heroine. I think most people who use gear live mostly healthy lives. So in that sense, they are not the same. But I think to say that they are completely different animals is hypocritical.


How in the SAMFUCK do you expect ANYONE to take you seriously here pal when you say shit like "steroids are addicitve"??!! I know, they aren't as addictive as pot or meth right? SO SINCE WHEN THE FUCK IS POT EVEN ADDICTIVE???? You have been watching too many Oprah reruns or something dude if you are getting that kind of information. Steroids are 100% NOT addictive in any way! And dont feed me any bullshit about fucking psychological addiction either. Thats just a way for people who want a certain drug to be illegal, to make it sound worse than it is! What is psychological addiction anyhow? I mean, if your brain is fucked up enough, you can get addicted to washing your hands too much or picking your fucking ass! It sounds like your comparing Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder to addiction & they are NOT the same thing DOCTOR! If you simply THINK you need it, its not an addiction. An addiction is when your body NEEDS it, as a substance has taken the presence of a chemical that was naturally produced by the body, & the absence of THAT substance has left the bodies supply of said chemical lacking. Stop with the propaganda dude & go do some GODAMN RESEARCH!!
 
I DON'T KNOW WERE YOUR GETTING THIS SELLING TO LITTLE KIDS AND FORCING THEM TO DO IT NONE OF THEM ARE LIKE THAT FIRST OF ALL KIDS DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO EVEN GET THE KINDA SHIT MY FRIENDS SELL SECONDLY THEY WOULD NOT SELL TO KIDS IF THEY COULD, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GOT THE IDEA OF DRUG DEALERS FROM A BAD AFTER SCHOOL SPEACIAL OR SOMETHING THEY ARE NOT LIKE WHAT YOU SAY AT ALL I KNOW FIRST HAND.

Unfortunately some drug dealers will sell to kids and do in fact push it on them. I am not saying all of them will but some do. Just because you know some that don't dosn't mean they all don't. I also know first hand.
 
big loser said:
i bought some stuff from a guy a while ago (it was fake) and this guy was a lowlife fuckwad who i later learned smoked fucking crack (for real) and wound up on heroin about a year later. he was a junkie only interested in the fast buck. my source now if a clearheaded businessman who realizes my long term patronage is far more valuable that ripping me off for $600. i trust this guy more than most of my friends.

Every guy that I have ever known to sell gear --will always tell you that he always gets legit shit---And they always say they either know a pro or it comes from his buddy who knows the pro who hes getting it from. Yet there is not a pro out there shooting Brovel Test----And that seems to be a big mover in the states. Or 50cc bottles of Laurabolin---Fake gear is massive business here in the states. And in mexico---And its only going to get worse with the war going on!!!
 
TO WOMBAT

I'd bet that there are alot of pro's who shoot Brovel test & Larabolin 50. You make it sound like those aren't legit products?!
 
I'm talking pros---why would they shoot brovels test when they have there hands into anything they wanted...I'm not saying that Brovel doesn't have any active ingr--but its the bottom of the barrel----And roid dealers buy this shit up because of its price not because its the best out there. But because its where they can make the most money out of it. Are Pros using --no way---
 
roidog420 said:



How in the SAMFUCK do you expect ANYONE to take you seriously here pal when you say shit like "steroids are addicitve"??!! I know, they aren't as addictive as pot or meth right? SO SINCE WHEN THE FUCK IS POT EVEN ADDICTIVE???? You have been watching too many Oprah reruns or something dude if you are getting that kind of information. Steroids are 100% NOT addictive in any way! And dont feed me any bullshit about fucking psychological addiction either. Thats just a way for people who want a certain drug to be illegal, to make it sound worse than it is! What is psychological addiction anyhow? I mean, if your brain is fucked up enough, you can get addicted to washing your hands too much or picking your fucking ass! It sounds like your comparing Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder to addiction & they are NOT the same thing DOCTOR! If you simply THINK you need it, its not an addiction. An addiction is when your body NEEDS it, as a substance has taken the presence of a chemical that was naturally produced by the body, & the absence of THAT substance has left the bodies supply of said chemical lacking. Stop with the propaganda dude & go do some GODAMN RESEARCH!!

Adiiction can be both physical and physcological. Isn't that obvious? BB do get hooked on steroids, so in that way steroids are the same as drugs too.
 
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/poll.php?action=showresults&pollid=1130

- This is a poll i posted on the Anabolic Board this morning asking how depenndant people are on Steroids. The results so far are:

Out of 13 people,

23% say that are very dependant on the drugs and couldn't give up if they tried.

46.15% say they are slightly dependant on them, it would be hard to give up but not impossible.

30.77% say not at all dependant on the drugs.


I know this isn't a very well conducted poll as so far only 13 people have voted, but it does show that a lot of people using AS feel slightly or very dependant on them. Its' quite clear to see the psychological addiction of steroids.

This is a quote from a steroid abuse website: -

An undetermined percentage of steroid abusers become addicted to the drugs, as evidenced by their continuing to take steroids in spite of physical problems, negative effects on social relations, or nervousness and irritability. Also, they spend large amounts of time and money obtaining the drugs and experience withdrawal symptoms such as mood swings, fatigue, restlessness, loss of appetite, insomnia, reduced sex drive, and the desire to take more steroids. The most dangerous of the withdrawal symptoms is depression, because it sometimes leads to suicide attempts. Untreated, some depressive symptoms associated with anabolic steroid withdrawal have been known to persist for a year or more after the abuser stops taking the drugs. - http://165.112.78.61/ResearchReports/Steroids/anabolicsteroids4.html#addictive
 
nevertoobig said:
http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/poll.php?action=showresults&pollid=1130

- This is a poll i posted on the Anabolic Board this morning asking how depenndant people are on Steroids. The results so far are:

Out of 13 people,

23% say that are very dependant on the drugs and couldn't give up if they tried.

46.15% say they are slightly dependant on them, it would be hard to give up but not impossible.

30.77% say not at all dependant on the drugs.


I know this isn't a very well conducted poll as so far only 13 people have voted, but it does show that a lot of people using AS feel slightly or very dependant on them. Its' quite clear to see the psychological addiction of steroids.

This is a quote from a steroid abuse website: -

An undetermined percentage of steroid abusers become addicted to the drugs, as evidenced by their continuing to take steroids in spite of physical problems, negative effects on social relations, or nervousness and irritability. Also, they spend large amounts of time and money obtaining the drugs and experience withdrawal symptoms such as mood swings, fatigue, restlessness, loss of appetite, insomnia, reduced sex drive, and the desire to take more steroids. The most dangerous of the withdrawal symptoms is depression, because it sometimes leads to suicide attempts. Untreated, some depressive symptoms associated with anabolic steroid withdrawal have been known to persist for a year or more after the abuser stops taking the drugs. - http://165.112.78.61/ResearchReports/Steroids/anabolicsteroids4.html#addictive


I cant give up jackin off 3 times a day either. Does that mean I'm Psychologically addicted to it? Christ
 
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I would say a lot of bodybuilders----top notch ones have adddicting personalities. But the gear-training-eating-are more of a habit then they are addicted to it. Hard core steroid use does lead to other drugs. Pain killers--sleep aids--shit like that. But ones body does not crave steroids like other drugs.
 
Wombat said:
I would say a lot of bodybuilders----top notch ones have adddicting personalities. But the gear-training-eating-are more of a habit then they are addicted to it. Hard core steroid use does lead to other drugs. Pain killers--sleep aids--shit like that. But ones body does not crave steroids like other drugs.


VERY WELL PUT my man. 100% correct also! Here...have some stupid-ass Karma on me! :=)
 
No problem with them. However, I do hate Taliban steroid dealers. They can stick there sust/250 vials up there ass!:destroy:
 
roidog420 said:



I cant give up jackin off 3 times a day either. Does that mean I'm Psychologically addicted to it? Christ

umm yes it does, if you CANT give up something then i'd say your addicted, so would the dictionary. You really that stupid?

Did you check the steroid abuse website about steroids being PSYCHOLOGICALLY addictive?

Also, my poll was pretty clear, it asked whether you could give up AS, if you wanted to.
 
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